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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf I was called a "cracker, I would be highly offended!
I am NOT a Saltine! Have you no shame!
Cracker wouldn't even register as an insult.
Call me a Republican or Teabagger and I will throw down on you.
WovenGems
(776 posts)Just what did you do to make me think of you as a cracker? One must earn a label.
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)Cracker does not register with me as an insult. I know what can be meant, but that use is not a poblem here.
Bandit
(21,475 posts)Whether giving a persons color is ever needed or not I don't know. I don't think it is ever necessary to say a black man committed a crime or whether it is just a man committed the crime.. why does the adjective black or white or ??? ever really apply? I doubt many if any people are offended by such a term. I doubt if most Americans are offended by being called Gringo or Yank...
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)No, it's not as offensive as the N word. Nothing is, IMO. But it's meant as a derogatory term, and people should recognize that.
It doesn't mean Gringo or Yank, either. Those are not derogatory terms. Gringo is a Spanish word for foreigner, usu. American. Yank's been around forever and is not derogatory.
"I'm a Yankee Doodle dandy....a Yankee Doodle Do or Die...."
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)Cracker (pejorative)
- Crackers were historically much hated creatures, and as one can see with very good reason. If I were called this, I'd be pissed too.
Warpy
(111,339 posts)and the few times I've been called that, I've just laughed it off.
I might have been born there, but my parents left a couple of months later and I've never really lived there.
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)stop smearing that peanut butter on yourself!
snooper2
(30,151 posts)I told you to grow your hair out more
Cleita
(75,480 posts)the rural local white people of Florida. An employer of mine who had lived in the Keys said that the local rural people were called crackers to distinguish them from the northerners who immigrate to Florida. Then she went on to tell me what really nice people they were. I thought it was a term of endearment until I started hearing it used as an insult.
btw she was white too, but originally from Michigan.
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)Some people love the word and use it to describe themselves.
Nay
(12,051 posts)white people whose families have lived in the area for several generations. As the daugher of an immigrant and a Yankee, I was not a cracker. Many crackers are fine with the word, whether it's used by themselves or used by others to describe them. It certainly can be used derogatorily, to mean "ignorant," but it doesn't have the same nastiness as "n****r" does. To me, it is more like the word "redneck."
Ligyron
(7,639 posts)and was used with pride back when I was a kid.
REP
(21,691 posts)I'll bowdlerize it, because while it is generally considered not offensive, "generally" is not "always": c**nass. Many Cajuns use this word with a highly positive meaning.
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nolabear
(41,991 posts)I must admit its scarier but I had to figure out who could call who a Yat (for the uninformed, a slang term for NOLA parishioners who often use the term "Where y'at?" To say hello.)
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)to denote folks who made a living in, usually, the cedar-choked C. Texas region. Very hard scrabble making a livelihood off cedar! You had to cut the stuff (jeeez), and trim it for fence posts, housing piers (excellent termite resistance), and building material. Approaching Lampassas from the south, one encounters along the highway a cedar chopper with a very well-ordered business centered on cedar (juniper) growth -- there' a lot of it.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)to the Juniper. It seems it's a common ailment there. I can't imagine making a living from it and breathing in the dust. It must be awful.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Were cutting down cedar & burning it to keep the property in good ecological shape, a common custom hunters engage in as "redneck tree-huggers." Plenty of scratches and burns, too.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)BellaKos
(318 posts)We used to use the word, "cracker," to describe rednecks. And when in Florida, the word was used to describe Southerners who had moved to Florida (which we all know is not the *real* South).
Just this week I learned that the word was orginally used by slaves in the South to describe the man who whipped them since he *cracked* the whip.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)resemblance to saltines.
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)I have heard the term cracker as long as I can remember.
spin
(17,493 posts)He was born in Florida. He has herded cattle riding a horse and using a whip. Although this was years ago in his youth, he still is quite skillful with a whip.
Florida cracker
***snip***
In Florida, those who own or work cattle traditionally have been called cowmen. In the late 1800s they were often called cow hunters, a reference to hunting for cattle scattered over the wooded rangelands during roundups. At times the terms cowman and Cracker have been used interchangeably because of similarities in their folk culture. Today the western term "cowboy" is often used for those who work cattle. [1]
The Florida "cowhunter" or "cracker cowboy" of the 19th and early 20th centuries was distinct from the Spanish vaquero and the Western cowboy. Florida cowboys did not use lassos to herd or capture cattle. Their primary tools were cow whips and dogs. Florida cattle and horses were small. The "cracker cow", also known as the "native" or "scrub" cow averaged about 600 pounds (270 kg) and had large horns and large feet.[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_cracker
Cleita
(75,480 posts)csziggy
(34,137 posts)Here is a very good article on the Florida cracker history:
http://www.thehistorychannelclub.com/articles/articletype/articleview/articleid/239/florida-crackers-americas-tropical-cowboys.
I learned the history as part of our town and school history. Jacob Summerlin, one of the wealthiest of the Florida crackers donated the land and money to my home town for the school. My class was the last to graduate from Summerlin Institute - the name was changed the next school year to Bartow High School.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)cracker Noun. 1. A thing that is excellent. E.g."That West End show was a cracker." {Informal}
2. An attractive person, particularly a woman. {Informal}
crackers Adj. Crazy.
crackhead Noun. An addict of 'crack' (freebased cocaine).
cracking Adj. Brilliant, wonderful. E.g."They gave a cracking performance last night and got a well deserved 5 minute standing ovation."
Adv. An intensifier such as extremely, outstandingly. E.g."We had a cracking good time last night."
http://www.peevish.co.uk/slang/c.htm
I've certainly never heard a woman here take offense at the compliment of being referred to as a cracker.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Thats what provides the double meaning to I've just pulled a cracker.
Arugula Latte
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Brewinblue
(392 posts)before the Braves arrived from Milwaukee, called itself the Crackers.
FSogol
(45,525 posts)joeglow3
(6,228 posts)As a side note, a college friend went to a high school full of a bunch of racists and one black student (named Phillip). So they would not get in trouble, they substituted the n bomb with the word "phil."
Anyone listening would not bat an eye, as Phil is not a racist word. However, their intent was just the same as someone using the n bomb.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)away. I love crackers myself and I wouldn't be insulted at all.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Sticks and stones can break my bones....
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)insulting.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)Am jealous. I miss my momma and my Nonna.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Passing with her will be a whole reality and existence of which I only know a small portion.
She grew up in a time of rank racism, and her family was only somewhat "better" than others regarding Jim Crow. I remember as a Kindergartener bringing home that infamously corrupted rhyme about catching "tigers" by the toe, and she gently admonished me not to say those things about colored folks. I stopped. I learned. From a Cracker.
That is the kind of thing that signifies change for the better.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)kids didn't even think about it and how hurtful it was. But there is one thing for sure in my family I wasn't raised to hate people of color. We had neighbors of different nationalities and colors and all were welcomed in our home. We kids played together and even had sleep overs.
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)Calling me a cracker (or even a honky) would elicit a chuckle from me, nothing more.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Does what ever it is involve a killing?
Myrina
(12,296 posts)Pick any thread in GD with "Zimmerman" in the title.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Zimmerman.
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)Much is being made of whether that was or was not a racial slur by TM.
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)as a NYC transplant to Florida. Who YOUSE calling a Cracker? Fughgettaboutit.
NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)I am much more offended by the outdated wording of this, than I am "cracker".
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)I have read thread after thread, about "cracker" and if it's offensive or not. The general explanation I've read is 1, no it's not offensive because white people don't get offended by racial stupidity, 2 yeah it's racist but not enough to be offended, or 3 what does being racist have to do with white people. These are not exact quotes, but general themes I've read in the responses, there are SEVERAL threads about "cracker".
I'm sitting in my office wasting time, a buddy walks by with an equal amount of nothing to do today, and nothing is easier for contractors to do than gossip and babble. Bear I mind I've known these guys for 15+ years, there is very little I can imagine would offend any of us. Jesse (Navajo) thinks cracker is funny, I'm not offended by it because I stopped being offended a long time ago, commercial contracting will do that.
The babbling went from "cracker" back to the trial, racism,... blah blah blah how could he not be guilty of unjustified homicide ? Anyway, I was SHOCKED to find out that Jesse didn't know what NAACP actually stood for, tell you what... I had to goggle it for him because he flat out didn't believe me when I told him.
How could anybody NOT be offended by the term "colored people" in any context ? And exactly how could the NAACP NOT change the name by which they conduct business ? I've known what NAACP stood for my whole life, I've never heard anyone ...ever....question the outdated verbage "National Association for the Advancement of Colored People". Nobody.
it's wrong,.......but if you just say the initials I guess then it's OK ? then I showed him how I had just joined DU, I've made several comments over the past few days regarding the trial and haven't gotten ONE response with any real discussion value because I'm not buying the racist aspect of the case or because I'm new either way. I bet him lunch tomorrow, that if I just mentioned the definition of NAACP, I'd get called out before the day was up.
It's wrong, I think it needs to be changed, and I was SHOCKED to find out someone my age didn't even know what the hell it stood for.
That was it, I won our bet, and just like if I had lost and the tables were turned,......I'm gonna make him PAY ! No fast food easy way out, he's gonna pay for me to get served lunch ! Take care.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)my point, and explanation that followed was the shocking LACK of ANYBODY's outrage over the retained name - NAACP.
I may be wrong, I cannot recall anyone, for any reason, ever.... bringing up the fact that an organization specifically intended and directly involved in the pursuit of fairness,.....keeps as it's namesake one of the most "in your face" racist names. Can you ?
Don't know, maybe it's kept as a reminder of what wrong is ?
NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)They are an organization that can police themselves...if they required a name change (along with losing its long term successful history) it certainly wouldn't need your approval. It has a voting body that would make that change...TYVM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Association_for_the_Advancement_of_Colored_People
NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)You don't have a problem with "colored people" in the name,... I do. That's all it is.
no thanks necessary, I'm immune to condescending remarks.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)that I'm not allowed to have my own opinion, unless authorized by the NAACP ?
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)name???? They are many many many.....AND they democratically vote on things as important as what THEY WANT to call themselves. YOU may think it inappropriate...Obviously they disagree with your humble opinion and what they stand for and what they support is HARDLY emblematic of YOUR problem with the name. Don't you think that in light of that they have earned the right to decide what YOU can think of what that term means to THEM?
NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)I am allowed to think the term "Colored People" should be changed.
I obviously don't think it's gonna happen, I'm the only one I've ever heard of that finds it insulting. But that doesn't change the fact that I do, you don't, apparently nobody else does......but for the last time, I do, and I'm allowed to have that opinion.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)I don't have to decide if it is or not....if they did...I am sure they would do something about it. I'll leave it up to them....I trust their judgement.
NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)than mine. You and the NAACP can disagree with my opinion, but that doesn't make it wrong. It's my opinion, not a fact, just my opinion,....if it were indeed insulting, somebody - sometime WOULD have done something about it. Nobody has,...ever. But "I", just humble me,.. still think the name blows.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)My point has always stood....that is for them to decide for themselves. Therefore they can tell anyone else where to stuff their opinions...
NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)"to tell people where to stuff their opinion",.....that's your little pet project. Maybe it's just that you don't understand exactly "what" an opinion is ?
But, in my opinion.....you are indeed capable of understanding the definition of the word ... opinion... but you might want to look it up just in case.....in my opinion. I think it's more likely...in my opinion, that you scan thru responces to threads looking for a target in which to display your self importance and irrelevant "fact flinging" abilities- regardless of what is actually being said. You've gone thru your faux outrage, you've become condescending, it appears now that you are indeed more calm - yet still unable or unwilling to actually comprehend what I've said.
I've been patient with you, because I totally understand that what I originally posted could have easily been misunderstood. That is why I very clearly explained why I said what I said. I then clearly explained why I said what I said to you directly - over, and over, and over, and over again. You don't WANT to understand what I'm saying, because in your opinion...my opinion doesn't make sense. That would have been a reasonable basis for your theatrical performance (although not an excuse for your ignorance of what the NAACP might think of my opinion) - we could have had an actual discussion, however at this point you have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt you are absolutely incapable of supporting your outrage over my opinion, to be honest you are just not interesting enough to debate anything with. It's not the passion to point fingers you lack, what you lack are the skills. Be well.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)I could call anything "innappropriate" as you did...that's just nutty.
"you've" been patient with me...hahahahahahahahahahahah!
It was Rush Limbaugh's "opinion" that Sandra Fluke was "promiscuous" ....does that make him correct? Does that make his "opinion" hold water?
and of course you know what they say about opinions right? There are lots of "opinions" around here!
NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)See I'm not right EVERY time,.. I thought that there is no way you could possibly pull a larger ball of crap out your butt and present it as a token of your intellectual ability. I was wrong, VanillaRhapsody - waves a Rush Limbaugh opinion around in an attempt to appear credible. You can't possibly top that...can you? Maybe you've got some clever Glenn Beck quotes you have been itching to try ? let me save you the trouble...I don't agree with Glenn Beck either.
Let me put it slow motion for you, you aren't getting it.
#1 My opinion...is that the term "Colored People" is insulting no matter the context, and regardless who doesn't think it's insulting.....I do. No further fishing expeditions necessary on this, just accept it, I think it's offensive, you don't.
#2 Rush Limbaugh calling Sandra Fluke a slut, is ALSO insulting, I find it offensive, I do not agree with it - I do not endorse that opinion... PLUS it has the added bonus of being slanderous and false, ALSO aspects of the opinion you present that I do not agree with. I do not agree with Rush Limbaugh. See what I just did ? I disagreed with someone else's opinion, and I gave the reasons for my disagreement, and I did it without making a fool out of myself with ridiculous examples, also known as carrying on an adult conversation.
It's like I'm having to teach you not only how to comprehend things, but also how to debate. You're exhausting, and not very interesting, you're not even that proficient at picking fights. I feel like I'm debating with an infant.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)doesn't make your opinion correct does it?
Words DO have different meanings in different contexts! Or is English a problem? Because in English...words can have multiple meanings. You don't get to decide what they are. Sorry to disappoint your Holier than Thou self. No matter how smart you THINK you are. Your opinion means nothing to anyone else! Let me put it into slow motion for you NO....One....Cares....what....Your....opinion....is...Mmkay?
NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)but the moon in everyone else's sky is still made of rock!
NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)if I said "Yeah English IS a problem for me". It's not, but I'll bet you still feel stupid.
take care, I mean that.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)but it wouldn't make me feel stupid...now you on the other hand.
NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)I am not the one writing long breathless diatribes to justify my erroneous beliefs.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)along with discerning about the value of your own opinions!
NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)And my last opinion I will gift you with, is that you should take more care in what you say and how you say it, if you want to be taken seriously.
I'm not teasing you here, take care.....I mean it, I'm leaving for the week-end, take care and have a good holiday.
NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)I don't care how big a voting party is, MY opinion is not for them to rule nor govern.
I'm not even sure WHY my opinion disturbed you like this, but...you could have made a much better point without using the NAACP as a judge's gavel regarding my opinion.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)I expected the original poster to question WHY I wrote what I did, because it was off topic and understandably a little bit of a questionable comment to the casual observation. Which is why I answered them in a completely open, honest , and forthright manner. I clearly explained what I said, why I said it, AND the context of the conversation in which it came up. They got it the first time, ...you still can't grasp it, and I can't be any more clear for you.
Whatever you're agenda really is, I would suggest you try a little harder next time to pretend and understand what is being said. If you can, I might take what you have to say seriously. If your intention was to "put me in my place", you need practice because you're no good at it.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)projection much?
NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)A Ruben is my favorite sandwich, that is a fact not an opinion. It was a trick question.
I don't think you will ever understand what I'm saying, no matter what - a double secret trick. Which is it ? Fact or opinion ?
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)On May 19, 2012, the NAACP's board of directors formally endorsed same-sex marriage as a civil right, voting 62-2 for the policy in a Miami, Florida quarterly meeting.[40][41] Benjamin Jealous, the organization's president, said of the decision, "Civil marriage is a civil right and a matter of civil law...The NAACP's support for marriage equality is deeply rooted in the 14th Amendment of the United States Constitution and equal protection of all people." Possibly significant in the NAACP's vote was its concern with the HIV/AIDS crisis in the black community; while AIDS support organizations recommend that people live a monogamous lifestyle, the government did not recognize same-sex relationships.[42]
As a result of the endorsement of same-sex marriage, Rev. Keith Ratliff Sr. of Des Moines, Iowa resigned from the NAACP board.[43]
NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)I find the retention of the term "colored people" in the name of the organization currently called the NAACP, to be insulting and offensive.
I have no negative issue with the acts of said organization, but I do find the name to be "out dated" at the very least, .....outright insulting on it's face....to me. I've made no derogatory comments about anything to do with the NAACP's activities, but the name blows, and it blows HARD !
I'm really not sure you read the explanation as to why I brought it up in the first place.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)capice?
NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)Yeah, I think having the term "Colored People" in the name - blows.
you don't and neither do they, I get it. But that doesn't change my opinion that it - blows.
capice ? really ? Did you make the little hand gesture too, or just imagine you did ?
NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)this kind of proves that the name doesn't hold as much weight as the body behind it.
the name blows.
NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)I could be called a stale cracker.
I'm sorry, I just don't find 'cracker' offensive.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)a British Water Cracker, at least. I certainly would not take that as an insult, since I consider both to be quite enjoyable. I would take umbrage, though, if they meant a saltine, a cracker I would not deign to consume.
I at being called a "cracker."
morningfog
(18,115 posts)I was riding my bike, checking out parts of town unknown to me. I ended up coasting down a hill into a public housing development. I was pushing my bike up another hill when a couple of guys standing in a yard yelled to me. "You lost, cracker?" I said, "ha, a little. And out of shape." I kept moving and didn't look back.
Orrex
(63,224 posts)Years ago I managed a Hardees', and one of the employees was terrible to the point that I had to fire him. He was routinely late for shifts, he took long, unscheduled smoke breaks, he stole food, was generally beligerent to customers and frequently came up short on his register.
When I brought him in the office to let him know that he was fired, he became quite angry:
"You can go fuck yourself, white boy. You like that, white boy?"
I remember it distinctly, and I got the sense that he was trying to bait me into responding with a racist insult, but I didn't.
Regardless, it didn't even occur to me to be insulted by his outburst, because I hadn't been spent a lifetime on the wrong end of racial prejudice and discrimination. I had the privilege of hearing his words as mere words.
It would be a better world IMO if everyone enjoyed that privilege.
Until then, I won't feel bad for any other white boy who gets called "a cracker," either!
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)If you're offended at being called a cracker, you're probably a racist. If you're not a racist, it's not something that would bother you.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I have never been called it but I would not like it.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)dawg
(10,624 posts)It isn't nice.
It certainly doesn't carry the weight of racial epithets used against historically exploited groups, but I don't think we should just give it a pass either.
That being said, it wouldn't really offend me to be called a cracker. But it's kind of white privilege on my part that a racial slur doesn't bother me. So to be fair, I think we should condemn the use of racial slurs against whites just like we would with any other group.
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BainsBane
(53,066 posts)There is no comparison between cracker and the N word. The historical legacies are not comparable.
Orrex
(63,224 posts)Crackers were enslaved for centuries to work the cotton fields for our black masters.
Oh wait--I may have that backwards.
RB TexLa
(17,003 posts)Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)I would laugh at them.
It can be derogatory, but I wouldn't deign to argue over that ignorance. It's a waste of time to try to argue with morans. Laughing at them deflates the message and its meaning.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Dorian Gray
(13,499 posts)and while it actually wasn't a pleasant thing in the context of the insult (Nobody likes to feel ostracized or insulted), I've realized that the instances in which I've felt like "the other" in my life have been few and far between. As a white female, I'm not in a racial minority most places I go. And even while I lived in Hong Kong for years and was in a minority, I was in a respected minority and treated even better than locals were in restaurants and shops. (Which is whack! and another topic all together.)
HeroInAHalfShell
(330 posts)1-Old-Man
(2,667 posts)There are a couple of young guys who were my my son's best childhood friends that I am fortunate enough to still keep closely in touch with, we see one another and chat often, and they use the word now and then. They are black men. In their defense I have to say this, every time I've ever heard one of them use the word they were referring to someone who I would have called a "Redneck" or in more extreme cases "White Trash", so I don't see where it was so much a difference in black versus white viewpoint, just a matter of choice of words.
By the way, I've been familiar with the word since I was a child. I believe the origin of the word is a reference to men in the deep south who drove mules with a whip, cracking it over their heads more or less constantly. So a mule-driver was a Cracker and in a sense a slave driver was a Cracker too, but the word is always used to refer to someone on the particularly ignorant and perpetually poor end of the white scale; the slave owner is never called a Cracker.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)bobclark86
(1,415 posts)Go put some Miracle Whip on your bologna and Wonder Bread and drink a glass of milk while listening to Michael Bolton in your minivan, you whitey cracker-ass honkey!
libodem
(19,288 posts)Except I'm a Best Foods person.
That's it, cracker. Time to get you down to the Winn-Dixie for some Bud Light, Kraft Mac and Cheese and boneless, skinless chicken breast, lol!
libodem
(19,288 posts)Say, you ARE trying to kill me.