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If I was called a "cracker, I would be highly offended! (Original Post) Are_grits_groceries Jul 2013 OP
Depends WovenGems Jul 2013 #1
Nobody earns a pejorative label. Are_grits_groceries Jul 2013 #4
Cracker is just another way of saying "white guy" Bandit Jul 2013 #17
I have nebver been called these words and I would be offended if called them. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #51
Is that like saying the N word is another way of saying "black dude"? Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #71
A cracker is NOT just another white guy: DeSwiss Jul 2013 #83
I was born in central Florida, so I qualify Warpy Jul 2013 #104
if you dont want folks calling you cracker SwampG8r Jul 2013 #2
teabagger snooper2 Jul 2013 #3
What's weird is the first time I ever heard that word, it was used to describe Cleita Jul 2013 #5
It can have a positive meaning. Are_grits_groceries Jul 2013 #6
As a native Floridian, I agree with this. "Cracker" generally means rural, middle-of-the-state, Nay Jul 2013 #8
I agree, it basically means "native" Ligyron Jul 2013 #118
Like a word Cajuns use to call themselves REP Jul 2013 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author fleur-de-lisa Jul 2013 #18
LOL! Ain't dat the truth. Like "Yat". nolabear Jul 2013 #88
Was born a Cracker in FL, moved to Texas and discovered the expression Cedar Chopper Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #19
My DH and I had to leave Texas because I developed some severe allergies Cleita Jul 2013 #38
It can be bad. A month ago half a dozen of us deer hunters Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #50
Like Uncle Cracker? Myrina Jul 2013 #26
I grew up in Georgia ... BellaKos Jul 2013 #10
That makes more sense, the man who cracked the whip, rather than the Cleita Jul 2013 #16
I was being facetious. Are_grits_groceries Jul 2013 #28
Bingo DeSwiss Jul 2013 #84
My son in law is a true Florida Cracker. ... spin Jul 2013 #41
Thanks for the clarification. n/t Cleita Jul 2013 #42
Florida crackers were the original cowboys, long before the Western cowboys csziggy Jul 2013 #81
Presumably differs usage from the UK dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #7
There's also the Christmas paper-hat concealing gizmo you Brits are fond of: Arugula Latte Jul 2013 #39
Yes dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #40
Hmm. No bodily functions, please. You're British. Arugula Latte Jul 2013 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jul 2013 #9
Atlanta's professional baseball team, Brewinblue Jul 2013 #11
And the Negro League team was called the Black Crackers from 1919 to 1952. FSogol Jul 2013 #15
It is not the word, but the intent that matters. joeglow3 Jul 2013 #12
If someone called me a cracker I probably would say "Is that the best ya got" and walk southernyankeebelle Jul 2013 #13
That's probably the best response to any insult. Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #20
LOL,somehow being called a cracker just makes me laugh. I just don't find that southernyankeebelle Jul 2013 #22
My Mom (93) is proud of her heritage as well. Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #21
Wow, 93 yrs old. I wish my mother could have lived that long. Your dang lucky. southernyankeebelle Jul 2013 #23
The day will come when I will miss my Mom, too. Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #53
I remember that rhyme. Kids really didn't pay attention to that saying. I bet many southernyankeebelle Jul 2013 #54
I've tried to say that in a couple of threads. Sheldon Cooper Jul 2013 #24
If I was shot dead on my way home from a 7-11, I'd be highly offended. Myrina Jul 2013 #25
I haven't been following this cracker story, whatever it is. morningfog Jul 2013 #27
Um, yes. Myrina Jul 2013 #29
Lol. That explains it. I auto trashed by keyword morningfog Jul 2013 #35
Yes. TM, on phone with his friend, referred to Z as a "cracker". GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #86
Huh??? nt Are_grits_groceries Jul 2013 #30
I would laugh HockeyMom Jul 2013 #31
National Association for the Advancement of Colored People NM_Birder Jul 2013 #32
Please explain your post! Are_grits_groceries Jul 2013 #44
sure. NM_Birder Jul 2013 #46
Does the term "people of color" offend you....because that's pretty inclusive.. VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #57
Yes it does offend me. It offends me a great deal more than "cracker" NM_Birder Jul 2013 #58
"people of color" and "colored people" are equally offensive NM_Birder Jul 2013 #59
So "non-White" is better? VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #60
I think you are missing my point, take care. NM_Birder Jul 2013 #61
No actually I am not... VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #63
yeah, I think you are,... NM_Birder Jul 2013 #65
I think that is for the organization to decide not you...they vote on such things you know.... VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #66
Are you suggesting NM_Birder Jul 2013 #70
No...I am saying...don't you think it is up to THEM and not you to determine what is an appropriate VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #72
I think,...no I'm absolutley positive NM_Birder Jul 2013 #74
you can have an opinion and it could still be wrong... VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #75
sure, it won't be the last time someone has a different opinion NM_Birder Jul 2013 #77
and you just having an opinion....doesn't mean that you are...you are not the arbiter of all things VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #79
That's not exactly what the NAACP has been the standard bearer for,... NM_Birder Jul 2013 #90
by that analogy.... VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #94
I take it back, you're funny again,....nope I was wrong ..... . NM_Birder Jul 2013 #95
As I stated previously...YOU can have the opinion that the moon is made of green cheese VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #98
I like South Park, it is funny....... fact or opinion ?....GO NM_Birder Jul 2013 #101
The moon is not made of green cheese. You almost had one right. NM_Birder Jul 2013 #107
Even if NM_Birder says it is his or her opinion that it is....still doesn't make it so! VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #108
yes it does. NM_Birder Jul 2013 #111
Uh no....only in YOUR mind would it then be green cheese... VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #113
I think you even confused yourself with that one. NM_Birder Jul 2013 #116
You would feel pretty stupid NM_Birder Jul 2013 #109
No it would just make more sense... VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #110
I on the other hand make you feel stupid ? I would buy that as truth. NM_Birder Jul 2013 #112
Not even a snowballs chance... VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #114
LOL ....take care man, I think you finally ran out of steam. NM_Birder Jul 2013 #117
Never....and definitely not over you! VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #119
you really should be more discerning with who you call stupid... VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #115
I value my own opinion above all others, NM_Birder Jul 2013 #120
The NAACP says I'm allowed my opinion....and NM_Birder Jul 2013 #76
Apparently it is you that seems to have a problem with them....not I! VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #80
You're kidding right ? NM_Birder Jul 2013 #87
Then why are YOU trying to decide what I was trying to do? VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #93
A ruben is my favorite sandwich. Can you at least understand that ? NM_Birder Jul 2013 #96
Am I supposed to care about that opinion too? VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #97
LOL... NM_Birder Jul 2013 #100
offensive? VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #62
ok...like I said, I'm not sure you get my point. NM_Birder Jul 2013 #64
YOU think it blows....apparently THEY do not agree with you....or they would change it VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #67
LOL........ NM_Birder Jul 2013 #69
by the way,.. NM_Birder Jul 2013 #68
I forgot, Thanks ! NM_Birder Jul 2013 #47
It's so humid here HappyMe Jul 2013 #33
Well, I would assume that they meant a Triscuit or MineralMan Jul 2013 #34
I was called a cracker once, years ago. morningfog Jul 2013 #36
An example of my own white privilege: Orrex Jul 2013 #37
To paraphrase Bill Maher: Nevernose Jul 2013 #45
If someone called me that name I would be offended. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #52
Is Bill Maher a Cracker? Why I never. nt Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #55
People shouldn't call other people "cracker". dawg Jul 2013 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author warrprayer Jul 2013 #49
I'd laugh BainsBane Jul 2013 #56
You have no knowledge of history Orrex Jul 2013 #89
Then you aren't thinking of it with the tone it would be delivered with. RB TexLa Jul 2013 #73
I don't care. Are_grits_groceries Jul 2013 #82
LOL! I have avoided this thread, assuming it was ridiculous. It wasn't. +1 Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #78
I have been called a cracker once Dorian Gray Jul 2013 #85
I would be offended if someone said it to me in a derogatory way... HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #91
I've got some young black friends and they use the word now and then 1-Old-Man Jul 2013 #92
I'm an organic, unbleached, all-purpose cracker. kentauros Jul 2013 #99
You whitey cracker-ass honkey, you... bobclark86 Jul 2013 #102
I'm still not insulted libodem Jul 2013 #103
Aha! bobclark86 Jul 2013 #105
The grey diet libodem Jul 2013 #106

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
4. Nobody earns a pejorative label.
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 10:35 AM
Jul 2013

Cracker does not register with me as an insult. I know what can be meant, but that use is not a poblem here.

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
17. Cracker is just another way of saying "white guy"
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 11:53 AM
Jul 2013

Whether giving a persons color is ever needed or not I don't know. I don't think it is ever necessary to say a black man committed a crime or whether it is just a man committed the crime.. why does the adjective black or white or ??? ever really apply? I doubt many if any people are offended by such a term. I doubt if most Americans are offended by being called Gringo or Yank...

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
71. Is that like saying the N word is another way of saying "black dude"?
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 11:07 PM
Jul 2013

No, it's not as offensive as the N word. Nothing is, IMO. But it's meant as a derogatory term, and people should recognize that.

It doesn't mean Gringo or Yank, either. Those are not derogatory terms. Gringo is a Spanish word for foreigner, usu. American. Yank's been around forever and is not derogatory.

"I'm a Yankee Doodle dandy....a Yankee Doodle Do or Die...."

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
83. A cracker is NOT just another white guy:
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 04:43 AM
Jul 2013

Cracker (pejorative)

- Crackers were historically much hated creatures, and as one can see with very good reason. If I were called this, I'd be pissed too.

Warpy

(111,339 posts)
104. I was born in central Florida, so I qualify
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 03:02 PM
Jul 2013

and the few times I've been called that, I've just laughed it off.

I might have been born there, but my parents left a couple of months later and I've never really lived there.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
5. What's weird is the first time I ever heard that word, it was used to describe
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 10:37 AM
Jul 2013

the rural local white people of Florida. An employer of mine who had lived in the Keys said that the local rural people were called crackers to distinguish them from the northerners who immigrate to Florida. Then she went on to tell me what really nice people they were. I thought it was a term of endearment until I started hearing it used as an insult.



btw she was white too, but originally from Michigan.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
8. As a native Floridian, I agree with this. "Cracker" generally means rural, middle-of-the-state,
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 10:47 AM
Jul 2013

white people whose families have lived in the area for several generations. As the daugher of an immigrant and a Yankee, I was not a cracker. Many crackers are fine with the word, whether it's used by themselves or used by others to describe them. It certainly can be used derogatorily, to mean "ignorant," but it doesn't have the same nastiness as "n****r" does. To me, it is more like the word "redneck."

REP

(21,691 posts)
14. Like a word Cajuns use to call themselves
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 11:08 AM
Jul 2013

I'll bowdlerize it, because while it is generally considered not offensive, "generally" is not "always": c**nass. Many Cajuns use this word with a highly positive meaning.

Response to REP (Reply #14)

nolabear

(41,991 posts)
88. LOL! Ain't dat the truth. Like "Yat".
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 08:47 AM
Jul 2013

I must admit its scarier but I had to figure out who could call who a Yat (for the uninformed, a slang term for NOLA parishioners who often use the term "Where y'at?" To say hello.)

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
19. Was born a Cracker in FL, moved to Texas and discovered the expression Cedar Chopper
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 12:16 PM
Jul 2013

to denote folks who made a living in, usually, the cedar-choked C. Texas region. Very hard scrabble making a livelihood off cedar! You had to cut the stuff (jeeez), and trim it for fence posts, housing piers (excellent termite resistance), and building material. Approaching Lampassas from the south, one encounters along the highway a cedar chopper with a very well-ordered business centered on cedar (juniper) growth -- there' a lot of it.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
38. My DH and I had to leave Texas because I developed some severe allergies
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 03:24 PM
Jul 2013

to the Juniper. It seems it's a common ailment there. I can't imagine making a living from it and breathing in the dust. It must be awful.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
50. It can be bad. A month ago half a dozen of us deer hunters
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 08:52 PM
Jul 2013

Were cutting down cedar & burning it to keep the property in good ecological shape, a common custom hunters engage in as "redneck tree-huggers." Plenty of scratches and burns, too.

BellaKos

(318 posts)
10. I grew up in Georgia ...
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 10:53 AM
Jul 2013

We used to use the word, "cracker," to describe rednecks. And when in Florida, the word was used to describe Southerners who had moved to Florida (which we all know is not the *real* South).
Just this week I learned that the word was orginally used by slaves in the South to describe the man who whipped them since he *cracked* the whip.

spin

(17,493 posts)
41. My son in law is a true Florida Cracker. ...
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 03:49 PM
Jul 2013

He was born in Florida. He has herded cattle riding a horse and using a whip. Although this was years ago in his youth, he still is quite skillful with a whip.

Florida cracker

***snip***

In Florida, those who own or work cattle traditionally have been called cowmen. In the late 1800s they were often called cow hunters, a reference to hunting for cattle scattered over the wooded rangelands during roundups. At times the terms cowman and Cracker have been used interchangeably because of similarities in their folk culture. Today the western term "cowboy" is often used for those who work cattle. [1]

The Florida "cowhunter" or "cracker cowboy" of the 19th and early 20th centuries was distinct from the Spanish vaquero and the Western cowboy. Florida cowboys did not use lassos to herd or capture cattle. Their primary tools were cow whips and dogs. Florida cattle and horses were small. The "cracker cow", also known as the "native" or "scrub" cow averaged about 600 pounds (270 kg) and had large horns and large feet.[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_cracker

csziggy

(34,137 posts)
81. Florida crackers were the original cowboys, long before the Western cowboys
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 12:54 AM
Jul 2013

Here is a very good article on the Florida cracker history:
http://www.thehistorychannelclub.com/articles/articletype/articleview/articleid/239/florida-crackers-americas-tropical-cowboys.

I learned the history as part of our town and school history. Jacob Summerlin, one of the wealthiest of the Florida crackers donated the land and money to my home town for the school. My class was the last to graduate from Summerlin Institute - the name was changed the next school year to Bartow High School.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
7. Presumably differs usage from the UK
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 10:44 AM
Jul 2013

cracker Noun. 1. A thing that is excellent. E.g."That West End show was a cracker." {Informal}
2. An attractive person, particularly a woman. {Informal}

crackers Adj. Crazy.

crackhead Noun. An addict of 'crack' (freebased cocaine).

cracking Adj. Brilliant, wonderful. E.g."They gave a cracking performance last night and got a well deserved 5 minute standing ovation."
Adv. An intensifier such as extremely, outstandingly. E.g."We had a cracking good time last night."

http://www.peevish.co.uk/slang/c.htm

I've certainly never heard a woman here take offense at the compliment of being referred to as a cracker.

Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
12. It is not the word, but the intent that matters.
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 10:56 AM
Jul 2013

As a side note, a college friend went to a high school full of a bunch of racists and one black student (named Phillip). So they would not get in trouble, they substituted the n bomb with the word "phil."

Anyone listening would not bat an eye, as Phil is not a racist word. However, their intent was just the same as someone using the n bomb.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
13. If someone called me a cracker I probably would say "Is that the best ya got" and walk
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 10:57 AM
Jul 2013

away. I love crackers myself and I wouldn't be insulted at all.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
23. Wow, 93 yrs old. I wish my mother could have lived that long. Your dang lucky.
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 02:19 PM
Jul 2013

Am jealous. I miss my momma and my Nonna.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
53. The day will come when I will miss my Mom, too.
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 09:07 PM
Jul 2013

Passing with her will be a whole reality and existence of which I only know a small portion.

She grew up in a time of rank racism, and her family was only somewhat "better" than others regarding Jim Crow. I remember as a Kindergartener bringing home that infamously corrupted rhyme about catching "tigers" by the toe, and she gently admonished me not to say those things about colored folks. I stopped. I learned. From a Cracker.

That is the kind of thing that signifies change for the better.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
54. I remember that rhyme. Kids really didn't pay attention to that saying. I bet many
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 09:13 PM
Jul 2013

kids didn't even think about it and how hurtful it was. But there is one thing for sure in my family I wasn't raised to hate people of color. We had neighbors of different nationalities and colors and all were welcomed in our home. We kids played together and even had sleep overs.

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
24. I've tried to say that in a couple of threads.
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 02:19 PM
Jul 2013

Calling me a cracker (or even a honky) would elicit a chuckle from me, nothing more.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
27. I haven't been following this cracker story, whatever it is.
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 02:24 PM
Jul 2013

Does what ever it is involve a killing?

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
86. Yes. TM, on phone with his friend, referred to Z as a "cracker".
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 07:22 AM
Jul 2013

Much is being made of whether that was or was not a racial slur by TM.

 

NM_Birder

(1,591 posts)
32. National Association for the Advancement of Colored People
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 02:27 PM
Jul 2013


I am much more offended by the outdated wording of this, than I am "cracker".
 

NM_Birder

(1,591 posts)
46. sure.
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 06:19 PM
Jul 2013


I have read thread after thread, about "cracker" and if it's offensive or not. The general explanation I've read is 1, no it's not offensive because white people don't get offended by racial stupidity, 2 yeah it's racist but not enough to be offended, or 3 what does being racist have to do with white people. These are not exact quotes, but general themes I've read in the responses, there are SEVERAL threads about "cracker".

I'm sitting in my office wasting time, a buddy walks by with an equal amount of nothing to do today, and nothing is easier for contractors to do than gossip and babble. Bear I mind I've known these guys for 15+ years, there is very little I can imagine would offend any of us. Jesse (Navajo) thinks cracker is funny, I'm not offended by it because I stopped being offended a long time ago, commercial contracting will do that.

The babbling went from "cracker" back to the trial, racism,... blah blah blah how could he not be guilty of unjustified homicide ? Anyway, I was SHOCKED to find out that Jesse didn't know what NAACP actually stood for, tell you what... I had to goggle it for him because he flat out didn't believe me when I told him.

How could anybody NOT be offended by the term "colored people" in any context ? And exactly how could the NAACP NOT change the name by which they conduct business ? I've known what NAACP stood for my whole life, I've never heard anyone ...ever....question the outdated verbage "National Association for the Advancement of Colored People". Nobody.

it's wrong,.......but if you just say the initials I guess then it's OK ? then I showed him how I had just joined DU, I've made several comments over the past few days regarding the trial and haven't gotten ONE response with any real discussion value because I'm not buying the racist aspect of the case or because I'm new either way. I bet him lunch tomorrow, that if I just mentioned the definition of NAACP, I'd get called out before the day was up.

It's wrong, I think it needs to be changed, and I was SHOCKED to find out someone my age didn't even know what the hell it stood for.

That was it, I won our bet, and just like if I had lost and the tables were turned,......I'm gonna make him PAY ! No fast food easy way out, he's gonna pay for me to get served lunch ! Take care.



 

NM_Birder

(1,591 posts)
58. Yes it does offend me. It offends me a great deal more than "cracker"
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 09:38 PM
Jul 2013

my point, and explanation that followed was the shocking LACK of ANYBODY's outrage over the retained name - NAACP.

I may be wrong, I cannot recall anyone, for any reason, ever.... bringing up the fact that an organization specifically intended and directly involved in the pursuit of fairness,.....keeps as it's namesake one of the most "in your face" racist names. Can you ?

Don't know, maybe it's kept as a reminder of what wrong is ?
 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
63. No actually I am not...
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 09:54 PM
Jul 2013

They are an organization that can police themselves...if they required a name change (along with losing its long term successful history) it certainly wouldn't need your approval. It has a voting body that would make that change...TYVM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Association_for_the_Advancement_of_Colored_People

 

NM_Birder

(1,591 posts)
65. yeah, I think you are,...
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 10:14 PM
Jul 2013


You don't have a problem with "colored people" in the name,... I do. That's all it is.

no thanks necessary, I'm immune to condescending remarks.
 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
72. No...I am saying...don't you think it is up to THEM and not you to determine what is an appropriate
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 11:16 PM
Jul 2013

name???? They are many many many.....AND they democratically vote on things as important as what THEY WANT to call themselves. YOU may think it inappropriate...Obviously they disagree with your humble opinion and what they stand for and what they support is HARDLY emblematic of YOUR problem with the name. Don't you think that in light of that they have earned the right to decide what YOU can think of what that term means to THEM?

 

NM_Birder

(1,591 posts)
74. I think,...no I'm absolutley positive
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 11:29 PM
Jul 2013

I am allowed to think the term "Colored People" should be changed.

I obviously don't think it's gonna happen, I'm the only one I've ever heard of that finds it insulting. But that doesn't change the fact that I do, you don't, apparently nobody else does......but for the last time, I do, and I'm allowed to have that opinion.
 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
75. you can have an opinion and it could still be wrong...
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 11:47 PM
Jul 2013

I don't have to decide if it is or not....if they did...I am sure they would do something about it. I'll leave it up to them....I trust their judgement.

 

NM_Birder

(1,591 posts)
77. sure, it won't be the last time someone has a different opinion
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 12:03 AM
Jul 2013

than mine. You and the NAACP can disagree with my opinion, but that doesn't make it wrong. It's my opinion, not a fact, just my opinion,....if it were indeed insulting, somebody - sometime WOULD have done something about it. Nobody has,...ever. But "I", just humble me,.. still think the name blows.
 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
79. and you just having an opinion....doesn't mean that you are...you are not the arbiter of all things
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 12:46 AM
Jul 2013

My point has always stood....that is for them to decide for themselves. Therefore they can tell anyone else where to stuff their opinions...

 

NM_Birder

(1,591 posts)
90. That's not exactly what the NAACP has been the standard bearer for,...
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 10:45 AM
Jul 2013

"to tell people where to stuff their opinion",.....that's your little pet project. Maybe it's just that you don't understand exactly "what" an opinion is ?

But, in my opinion.....you are indeed capable of understanding the definition of the word ... opinion... but you might want to look it up just in case.....in my opinion. I think it's more likely...in my opinion, that you scan thru responces to threads looking for a target in which to display your self importance and irrelevant "fact flinging" abilities- regardless of what is actually being said. You've gone thru your faux outrage, you've become condescending, it appears now that you are indeed more calm - yet still unable or unwilling to actually comprehend what I've said.

I've been patient with you, because I totally understand that what I originally posted could have easily been misunderstood. That is why I very clearly explained why I said what I said. I then clearly explained why I said what I said to you directly - over, and over, and over, and over again. You don't WANT to understand what I'm saying, because in your opinion...my opinion doesn't make sense. That would have been a reasonable basis for your theatrical performance (although not an excuse for your ignorance of what the NAACP might think of my opinion) - we could have had an actual discussion, however at this point you have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt you are absolutely incapable of supporting your outrage over my opinion, to be honest you are just not interesting enough to debate anything with. It's not the passion to point fingers you lack, what you lack are the skills. Be well.
 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
94. by that analogy....
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 12:09 PM
Jul 2013

I could call anything "innappropriate" as you did...that's just nutty.

"you've" been patient with me...hahahahahahahahahahahah!

It was Rush Limbaugh's "opinion" that Sandra Fluke was "promiscuous" ....does that make him correct? Does that make his "opinion" hold water?

and of course you know what they say about opinions right? There are lots of "opinions" around here!

 

NM_Birder

(1,591 posts)
95. I take it back, you're funny again,....nope I was wrong ..... .
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 01:47 PM
Jul 2013

See I'm not right EVERY time,.. I thought that there is no way you could possibly pull a larger ball of crap out your butt and present it as a token of your intellectual ability. I was wrong, VanillaRhapsody - waves a Rush Limbaugh opinion around in an attempt to appear credible. You can't possibly top that...can you? Maybe you've got some clever Glenn Beck quotes you have been itching to try ? let me save you the trouble...I don't agree with Glenn Beck either.

Let me put it slow motion for you, you aren't getting it.

#1 My opinion...is that the term "Colored People" is insulting no matter the context, and regardless who doesn't think it's insulting.....I do. No further fishing expeditions necessary on this, just accept it, I think it's offensive, you don't.

#2 Rush Limbaugh calling Sandra Fluke a slut, is ALSO insulting, I find it offensive, I do not agree with it - I do not endorse that opinion... PLUS it has the added bonus of being slanderous and false, ALSO aspects of the opinion you present that I do not agree with. I do not agree with Rush Limbaugh. See what I just did ? I disagreed with someone else's opinion, and I gave the reasons for my disagreement, and I did it without making a fool out of myself with ridiculous examples, also known as carrying on an adult conversation.

It's like I'm having to teach you not only how to comprehend things, but also how to debate. You're exhausting, and not very interesting, you're not even that proficient at picking fights. I feel like I'm debating with an infant.





 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
98. As I stated previously...YOU can have the opinion that the moon is made of green cheese
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 02:31 PM
Jul 2013

doesn't make your opinion correct does it?

Words DO have different meanings in different contexts! Or is English a problem? Because in English...words can have multiple meanings. You don't get to decide what they are. Sorry to disappoint your Holier than Thou self. No matter how smart you THINK you are. Your opinion means nothing to anyone else! Let me put it into slow motion for you NO....One....Cares....what....Your....opinion....is...Mmkay?

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
113. Uh no....only in YOUR mind would it then be green cheese...
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 04:03 PM
Jul 2013

but the moon in everyone else's sky is still made of rock!

 

NM_Birder

(1,591 posts)
109. You would feel pretty stupid
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 04:01 PM
Jul 2013


if I said "Yeah English IS a problem for me". It's not, but I'll bet you still feel stupid.
take care, I mean that.
 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
119. Never....and definitely not over you!
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 04:31 PM
Jul 2013

I am not the one writing long breathless diatribes to justify my erroneous beliefs.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
115. you really should be more discerning with who you call stupid...
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 04:06 PM
Jul 2013

along with discerning about the value of your own opinions!

 

NM_Birder

(1,591 posts)
120. I value my own opinion above all others,
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 04:53 PM
Jul 2013

And my last opinion I will gift you with, is that you should take more care in what you say and how you say it, if you want to be taken seriously.

I'm not teasing you here, take care.....I mean it, I'm leaving for the week-end, take care and have a good holiday.
 

NM_Birder

(1,591 posts)
76. The NAACP says I'm allowed my opinion....and
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 11:51 PM
Jul 2013

I don't care how big a voting party is, MY opinion is not for them to rule nor govern.

I'm not even sure WHY my opinion disturbed you like this, but...you could have made a much better point without using the NAACP as a judge's gavel regarding my opinion.

 

NM_Birder

(1,591 posts)
87. You're kidding right ?
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 08:22 AM
Jul 2013


I expected the original poster to question WHY I wrote what I did, because it was off topic and understandably a little bit of a questionable comment to the casual observation. Which is why I answered them in a completely open, honest , and forthright manner. I clearly explained what I said, why I said it, AND the context of the conversation in which it came up. They got it the first time, ...you still can't grasp it, and I can't be any more clear for you.

Whatever you're agenda really is, I would suggest you try a little harder next time to pretend and understand what is being said. If you can, I might take what you have to say seriously. If your intention was to "put me in my place", you need practice because you're no good at it.







 

NM_Birder

(1,591 posts)
100. LOL...
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 02:41 PM
Jul 2013


A Ruben is my favorite sandwich, that is a fact not an opinion. It was a trick question.
I don't think you will ever understand what I'm saying, no matter what - a double secret trick. Which is it ? Fact or opinion ?





 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
62. offensive?
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 09:52 PM
Jul 2013

On May 19, 2012, the NAACP's board of directors formally endorsed same-sex marriage as a civil right, voting 62-2 for the policy in a Miami, Florida quarterly meeting.[40][41] Benjamin Jealous, the organization's president, said of the decision, "Civil marriage is a civil right and a matter of civil law...The NAACP's support for marriage equality is deeply rooted in the 14th Amendment of the United States Constitution and equal protection of all people." Possibly significant in the NAACP's vote was its concern with the HIV/AIDS crisis in the black community; while AIDS support organizations recommend that people live a monogamous lifestyle, the government did not recognize same-sex relationships.[42]
As a result of the endorsement of same-sex marriage, Rev. Keith Ratliff Sr. of Des Moines, Iowa resigned from the NAACP board.[43]

 

NM_Birder

(1,591 posts)
64. ok...like I said, I'm not sure you get my point.
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 10:04 PM
Jul 2013


I find the retention of the term "colored people" in the name of the organization currently called the NAACP, to be insulting and offensive.

I have no negative issue with the acts of said organization, but I do find the name to be "out dated" at the very least, .....outright insulting on it's face....to me. I've made no derogatory comments about anything to do with the NAACP's activities, but the name blows, and it blows HARD !

I'm really not sure you read the explanation as to why I brought it up in the first place.
 

NM_Birder

(1,591 posts)
69. LOL........
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 11:02 PM
Jul 2013

Yeah, I think having the term "Colored People" in the name - blows.
you don't and neither do they, I get it. But that doesn't change my opinion that it - blows.

capice ? really ? Did you make the little hand gesture too, or just imagine you did ?
 

NM_Birder

(1,591 posts)
68. by the way,..
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 10:47 PM
Jul 2013


this kind of proves that the name doesn't hold as much weight as the body behind it.
the name blows.

MineralMan

(146,329 posts)
34. Well, I would assume that they meant a Triscuit or
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 02:28 PM
Jul 2013

a British Water Cracker, at least. I certainly would not take that as an insult, since I consider both to be quite enjoyable. I would take umbrage, though, if they meant a saltine, a cracker I would not deign to consume.

I at being called a "cracker."

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
36. I was called a cracker once, years ago.
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 02:50 PM
Jul 2013

I was riding my bike, checking out parts of town unknown to me. I ended up coasting down a hill into a public housing development. I was pushing my bike up another hill when a couple of guys standing in a yard yelled to me. "You lost, cracker?" I said, "ha, a little. And out of shape." I kept moving and didn't look back.

Orrex

(63,224 posts)
37. An example of my own white privilege:
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 03:03 PM
Jul 2013

Years ago I managed a Hardees', and one of the employees was terrible to the point that I had to fire him. He was routinely late for shifts, he took long, unscheduled smoke breaks, he stole food, was generally beligerent to customers and frequently came up short on his register.

When I brought him in the office to let him know that he was fired, he became quite angry:

"You can go fuck yourself, white boy. You like that, white boy?"

I remember it distinctly, and I got the sense that he was trying to bait me into responding with a racist insult, but I didn't.

Regardless, it didn't even occur to me to be insulted by his outburst, because I hadn't been spent a lifetime on the wrong end of racial prejudice and discrimination. I had the privilege of hearing his words as mere words.


It would be a better world IMO if everyone enjoyed that privilege.


Until then, I won't feel bad for any other white boy who gets called "a cracker," either!

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
45. To paraphrase Bill Maher:
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 04:51 PM
Jul 2013

If you're offended at being called a cracker, you're probably a racist. If you're not a racist, it's not something that would bother you.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
52. If someone called me that name I would be offended.
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 09:02 PM
Jul 2013

I have never been called it but I would not like it.

dawg

(10,624 posts)
48. People shouldn't call other people "cracker".
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 06:26 PM
Jul 2013

It isn't nice.

It certainly doesn't carry the weight of racial epithets used against historically exploited groups, but I don't think we should just give it a pass either.

That being said, it wouldn't really offend me to be called a cracker. But it's kind of white privilege on my part that a racial slur doesn't bother me. So to be fair, I think we should condemn the use of racial slurs against whites just like we would with any other group.

Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Orrex

(63,224 posts)
89. You have no knowledge of history
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 09:59 AM
Jul 2013

Crackers were enslaved for centuries to work the cotton fields for our black masters.


Oh wait--I may have that backwards.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
82. I don't care.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 04:36 AM
Jul 2013

I would laugh at them.
It can be derogatory, but I wouldn't deign to argue over that ignorance. It's a waste of time to try to argue with morans. Laughing at them deflates the message and its meaning.

Dorian Gray

(13,499 posts)
85. I have been called a cracker once
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 07:10 AM
Jul 2013

and while it actually wasn't a pleasant thing in the context of the insult (Nobody likes to feel ostracized or insulted), I've realized that the instances in which I've felt like "the other" in my life have been few and far between. As a white female, I'm not in a racial minority most places I go. And even while I lived in Hong Kong for years and was in a minority, I was in a respected minority and treated even better than locals were in restaurants and shops. (Which is whack! and another topic all together.)


1-Old-Man

(2,667 posts)
92. I've got some young black friends and they use the word now and then
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 11:35 AM
Jul 2013

There are a couple of young guys who were my my son's best childhood friends that I am fortunate enough to still keep closely in touch with, we see one another and chat often, and they use the word now and then. They are black men. In their defense I have to say this, every time I've ever heard one of them use the word they were referring to someone who I would have called a "Redneck" or in more extreme cases "White Trash", so I don't see where it was so much a difference in black versus white viewpoint, just a matter of choice of words.

By the way, I've been familiar with the word since I was a child. I believe the origin of the word is a reference to men in the deep south who drove mules with a whip, cracking it over their heads more or less constantly. So a mule-driver was a Cracker and in a sense a slave driver was a Cracker too, but the word is always used to refer to someone on the particularly ignorant and perpetually poor end of the white scale; the slave owner is never called a Cracker.

bobclark86

(1,415 posts)
102. You whitey cracker-ass honkey, you...
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 02:46 PM
Jul 2013

Go put some Miracle Whip on your bologna and Wonder Bread and drink a glass of milk while listening to Michael Bolton in your minivan, you whitey cracker-ass honkey!

bobclark86

(1,415 posts)
105. Aha!
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 03:05 PM
Jul 2013

That's it, cracker. Time to get you down to the Winn-Dixie for some Bud Light, Kraft Mac and Cheese and boneless, skinless chicken breast, lol!

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