Irony

[ProSense]

Stephen Walt‏@StephenWalt6h
Why Edward Snowden deserves a presidential pardon. My take in the FT.
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/0ccf2d14-e7c1-11e2-babb-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2YTznNbY7 …

Retweeted by Glenn Greenwald

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald

Greenwald: Snowden Charges Show Obama’s ‘Vindictive Mentality’...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023068613

[naaman fletcher]

1. Where is the irony?

I don't understand your post

[ProSense]

2. Maybe I read it wrong.

I thought Greenwald was retweeting a story about Snowden deserving a Presidential pardon after having previously declared that the President was "vindictive"

Let me check...yup, just as I thought.

[naaman fletcher]

3. What's ironic about that? Nt

[ProSense]

6. You're right, there is nothing ironic about expecting a "vindictive" person to issue a "pardon."

In fact, "vindictive" people often forgive and forget.

Thanks for helping me to see the light.

[naaman fletcher]

7. Where did the word expect come from?

I didn't see that in your original post

[ProSense]

8. Which

"Where did the word expect come from? I didn't see that in your original post"

..."word" should I have used to characterize the retweet of the story to show the irony?

Pushing?

Promoting?

Suggesting?

Implying?

Supporting?

Tell me?

[naaman fletcher]

10. I don't know

Expect has a specific meaning that you put into greenwalds mouth so that you could make this post about irony.

Don't ask me what words to use.

[ProSense]

12. Really?

"I don't know

Expect has a specific meaning that you put into greenwalds mouth so that you could make this post about irony.

Don't ask me what words to use. "

"Expect" isn't in the OP. It's clearly ironic, but you started your protest before I used the word "expect."

I think you damn well understood the irony, but were simply upset that it was being pointed out.

[naaman fletcher]

13. No I don't understand the irony at all

[Life Long Dem]

28. Maybe if they made some PowerPoint slides

Maybe that would help.

[NoOneMan]

45. This is where PRISM algorithms could come in handy

Maybe they can connect all those random neurons in your brains into networks so you can both suddenly find irony in non ironic things and think exactly like a terrorist that needs to be locked up.

[Romulus Quirinus]

17. You really need to stop assuming everyone who disagrees with you is a horrible person. nt

[Sheepshank]

56. you know this is quite silly...right? n/t

[tkmorris]

11. You could have used the verb in the tweet. "Deserve" I believe it was

Of course if you had you couldn't call it irony because it isn't. A person can deserve a thing without really expecting to receive it.

[ProSense]

15. Wrong.

"You could have used the verb in the tweet. "Deserve" I believe it was

Of course if you had you couldn't call it irony because it isn't. A person can deserve a thing without really expecting to receive it."

Again, I posted no comment with the OP. The article wasn't written by Greenwald, but he is that one who made the claim that the President is "vindictive"

The fact that he's retweeting a piece about a Presidential pardon after calling the President "vindictive" is in itself ironic.

[galileoreloaded]

37. hehehe

[Renew Deal]

55. Everything?

[RobertEarl]

4. Obama is said to be wise, ps

So if he is wise he will pardon Snowden. Are you claiming Obama is not wise?

Obama can't do anything but forgive Snowden, and forget about wiretapping us. Or are you in favor of Obama wiretapping us?

[ProSense]

5. Is he "vindictive"?

"So if he is wise he will pardon Snowden. Are you claiming Obama is not wise?"

I suppose he might be since Snowden has been charged. I mean, you've defined "wise" as what you want to happen in terms of Snowden.

"Obama can't do anything but forgive Snowden, and forget about wiretapping us. Or are you in favor of Obama wiretapping us?"

Obama is "wiretapping" us?

[Sheepshank]

59. by "wise", it would appear you actually mean "compliant" and "obedient"

to RobertEarl's request.

Pretty funny imho.

....and then follow the whole statement with the ridiculous strawman "...Or are you in favor of Obama wiretapping us?"

even funnier or pathetic....still trying to decide.

[graham4anything]

52. Yup. It is quite clear and easy to see the irony. I thought Dem supporters knew irony.(never assume)

Never assume is how the phrase went.

[Whisp]

9. and Greenwald has a dicktive mentality. n/t

[cherokeeprogressive]

31. That sounds like some kind of gay slur to me.

Is it a gay slur? It sounds like a gay slur to me.

[DesMoinesDem]

14. LOL. Epic Fail.

You have a worse understanding of ironic than Alanis Morissette.

[ProSense]

16. No, it's irony

I'm fairly certain that Greenwald knows there isn't a Presidential pardon coming from Obama.

There is that.

[Electric Monk]

19. Is your thread in response to grahamhgreens? (posted about an hour before yours)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023203444

Graham's quote is ironic. Your thread is Alanic.

[ProSense]

21. That's "ironic"?

Why?

[Electric Monk]

23. Tragic Irony (see 3b)

http://www.dailywritingtips.com/what-is-irony-with-examples/

[DesMoinesDem]

22. Not ironic in the slightest. You clearly don't know what irony is.

[WilliamPitt]

65. Don'tcha think?

Thread Win.

[Apophis]

18. Dodging the issue. Again.

I'm shocked.

Your posts are like broken records.

[ProSense]

20. The issue is the OP. You don't have to like it.

I got a kick out of it.

[cherokeeprogressive]

32. I bet whoever wrote it got a kick out of it too.

[Logical]

24. This makes less sense than most of your misleading titles. n-t

[ProSense]

25. That comment makes no sense as usual. n/t

[NoOneMan]

29. Really?

What sense do you want all of us to spell out for you?

[ProSense]

30. Yes, really. n/t

[NoOneMan]

33. Agree to disagree

Most people looking for the facts just don't see it your way

[Union Scribe]

26. I think you should get a refund on that Word A Day calendar. nt

[NoOneMan]

27. Like rain on your wedding day

You could write an entire song about non-ironic, Snowden related things that you think are ironic.


Its like whiiiiistleblowing, cleeeeasssified infurmaaaaheyaaaation. Its like appliiiiiiyeang for asyleeeeum, when your countreeee waaants to keeelilll yooooou.

[TDale313]

34. How is that ironic?

Not sure that means what you think it does.

To me, not ironic to feel that a certain act would be the right thing to do, regardless of how likely you think someone is to do it or what your opinion of that person is.

[NoOneMan]

35. It's a black fly in your Chardonnay

[TDale313]

36. Now, a death row pardon two minutes too late...

That is pretty ironic.

[egduj]

38. Inigo Montoya...

[Logical]

39. LOL! n-t

[ProSense]

40. Oh,

I do: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023204132#post15

Still, this thread is fun.

[LondonReign2]

68. +1 beat me to it

Maybe the OP needs a dictionary

[Luminous Animal]

41. Oops! Back to the drawing board.

[Rex]

42. Check this out

http://truth-out.org/news/item/17450-snowden-honored-by-ex-intel-officials

[ProSense]

43. Yeah,

I know: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023201949#post12

[Logical]

44. LOL, owned.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023203444

[ProSense]

46. ?

WTF?

[DesMoinesDem]

47. bump

[ProSense]

48. Thanks

I know you don't get it: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023204132#post15

Also, I'm fairly certain that Greenwald knows there isn't a Presidential pardon coming from Obama.

[DesMoinesDem]

49. I get it. You don't know what irony is.

[ProSense]

50. Oh man, that's hilarious.

Thanks for kicking the thread.

The OP content deserves more exposure.

[DesMoinesDem]

51. I love kicking this thread. Your ignorance on display for everyone to see.

[ProSense]

53. Well,

"I love kicking this thread. Your ignorance on display for everyone to see."

...I love that you're "kicking this thread." It shows a certain desperation. I mean, you disagree with the point, and I stand by it and can support my POV.

You are laughing because you don't get it, therefore you have to project that it's "ignorance."

Yeah, thanks for "kicking this thread."

See you soon.

[DesMoinesDem]

54. It's not a disagreement. You simply don't know what irony is.

[ProSense]

57. No, that's your opinion and

you're apparently desperate that it be accepted as fact.

More irony:

Does Snowden know Venezuela records and broadcasts activists' phone calls?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023204235

[DesMoinesDem]

58. Nope. No irony in the OP at all. That is a fact.

Kick!

[ProSense]

60. No, it's your opinion. Thanks, again. n/t

[DesMoinesDem]

61. Your ignorance on display. Kick!

[ProSense]

62. We could do this all day, and I suspect that embarrassment is setting in for you. n/t

[DesMoinesDem]

63. You think I'm embarrassed because I know the meaning of words? LOL

You get paid by the post, right?

[ProSense]

64. No, I think you're embarrassed that desperation is all you have left.

Thanks, again!

[DesMoinesDem]

67. I was trying to give you an easy out of this thread. Alert! Alert!

[ProSense]

72. There you go again, trying to cover embarrassment by deflecting. n/t

[LondonReign2]

69. DMD is correct

You apparently truly don't understand the meaning of the word. Digging in your heels and insisting that you are always correct when it is patently obvious that you are is just foolish.

If I state that Dick Cheney should stand trial for war crimes, even when I know that is going to be forthcoming, is that ironic? Nope, and neither is Greenwald agreeing that Snowden should be pardoned even though he knows it isn't forthcoming.

You made a mistake. It happens.

[ProSense]

71. No, but

"You apparently truly don't understand the meaning of the word. Digging in your heels and insisting that you are always correct when it is patently obvious that you are is just foolish."

...I would expect this from those who believe Snowden and Greenwald are off limits for criticism.

"If I state that Dick Cheney should stand trial for war crimes, even when I know that is going to be forthcoming, is that ironic? Nope, and neither is Greenwald agreeing that Snowden should be pardoned even though he knows it isn't forthcoming. "

What? I mean, are you missing something?

You know, like the point about the President being "vindictive."

[LondonReign2]

73. You're wrong. Time to admit it

But of course you can't.

[ProSense]

74. LOL! n/t

[HardTimes99]

66. Is it bad form to say that, while I respect your passionate defenses

of President Obama and his administration, I deeply dislike and resent your style of argumentation? By that, I mean this business of posting a cryptic thread title followed by a series of links. What, is the reader supposed to divine your meaning through mind-reading? I had to get many posts in before it became clear to me what your point was or is.

I think you owe it to your readers to do more than simply paste in links when you fashion an OP. You should be stating a thesis and providing support for it, not placing your readers on some Rorschach romp of figuring out the meaning of your various (l)ink blots.

Color me highly annoyed. Apologies to the board if this is too Meta.

[ProSense]

70. That's OK

"Is it bad form to say that, while I respect your passionate defenses of President Obama and his administration, I deeply dislike and resent your style of argumentation? By that, I mean this business of posting a cryptic thread title followed by a series of links. What, is the reader supposed to divine your meaning through mind-reading? I had to get many posts in before it became clear to me what your point was or is.

I think you owe it to your readers to do more than simply paste in links when you fashion an OP. You should be stating a thesis and providing support for it, not placing your readers on some Rorschach romp of figuring out the meaning of your various (l)ink blots.

Color me highly annoyed. Apologies to the board if this is too Meta."

...I'm not impressed by your argument either. I mean, it appears thoroughly disingenuous, an attempt to disguise the fact that you disagree with my opinions, likely the criticism of Snowden, by inventing a label for them. What the hell are you talking about?

You "resent" and "cryptic thread title followed by a series of links"? WTF? "Is it bad form to say"? What you did was try to frame a personal attack as intelligent critique, when it's nothing but pyschobabble.

I really don't "owe" you anything. If you don't like what I post, that's your problem, not mine. I don't care what you "resent."

"Rorschach romp"

Oh my...

[NuclearDem]

75. This has nothing to do with irony at all

Greenwald (correctly) analyzed the overly-vindictive nature of the charges against Snowden. He also supported the idea of Snowden getting a pardon.

The two are not contradictory.