Sharpton Panel Probes Zimmerman’s Story: Unless Trayvon Had X-Ray Vision, He Wouldn’t Have Seen Gun

[Tx4obama]

VIDEO here: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/sharpton-panel-probes-zimmermans-story-unless-trayvon-had-x-ray-vision-he-wouldnt-have-seen-gun/

Sharpton Panel Probes Zimmerman’s Story: Unless Trayvon Had ‘X-Ray Vision,’ He Wouldn’t Have Seen Gun

One particular detail of the George Zimmerman murder trial that Al Sharpton brought up today was how Trayvon Martin supposedly grabbed for Zimmerman’s gun. But Sharpton and his panelists pointed out that Zimmerman had a concealed weapon and it was dark out, which led them all to raise the skeptical eyebrow to ZImmerman’s story. One of Sharpton’s guests said that there’s absolutely no way Martin would have been able to see, let alone grab for, Zimmerman’s gun, unless he had x-ray vision.

Lisa Bloom explained that Zimmerman’s internal holster is held inside and in the back of the pants, and considering that Zimmerman had a shirt and a jacket over it, it doesn’t add up that Martin would have been able to grab for the gun if he was on top of Zimmerman and Zimmerman was on his back.

“How on earth, then, did Trayvon Martin see the gun–which, I might add, is a black holster, the gun itself is black, it’s a very dark night and raining, according to all of the witnesses. Unless Trayvon Martin had x-ray vision, the story doesn’t really make a lot of sense.”

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[uppityperson]

1. It is that Amazing Trayvon Martin again. What a guy!

[Bay Boy]

2. Don't hate on me for pointing this out but...

...he could have felt it during the struggle. Either in body to body contact or in the hands on contact needed to take Z to the ground.

[Tx4obama]

3. Defense said the other day that Trayvon SAW the gun when Zimmerman raised his arm...

... because he had on a short jacket.

Bottom line it was dark therefore Trayvon could not 'see' the gun.

[madashelltoo]

17. And, when defense attorney acted it out

He reached for his right pelvic bone . . . Not his back. If it were there, Trayvon might have seen it. However, it was actually on his back as Zimmeman reenacted on tape.

[Tx4obama]

18. AND also it was very dark out there...

When the police showed up Zimmerman told the cop that he had a gun and he raised his arm and his jacket raised up

BUT the cop had a FLASHLIGHT

Trayvon did not have a 'flashlight'

There's no way Trayvon could have seen it even IF it was on Zimmerman's hip.

[uponit7771]

29. +1

[customerserviceguy]

4. What O'Mara will do

is point out that GZ had fear that TM located his weapon. It all goes to fear of death, serious bodily injury, etc.

Expect that the Zimmerman legal team will play it like a fiddle for the next couple of days.

[yardwork]

7. Wasn't Martin allowed to be afraid?

Why all this sympathy for Zimmerman - the one who was armed and the one who initiated the whole incident - and none for the victim of the shooting?

[Tx4obama]

16. See Comment #15 n/t

[customerserviceguy]

22. He certainly was

Had he either gotten the weapon and killed GZ, or simply landed a fatal blow during a fistfight, he would have had self-defense on his side of the argument, as well.

What liberal application of the doctrine of self-defense in effect means is that if two individuals get into it, they both have the right to do whatever they need to do to win. It's pretty common throughout the South and the West, only in the Northeast and Midwest does society think it has the right to second-guess people in the middle of a fight. Often in those states, the "schoolyard" test is applied, the person who got the worst of the fight must have been the victim, and the person who got the best of the fight must have been the aggressor, without clear evidence to the contrary.

[whopis01]

28. Unfortunately it might not matter if he was or wasn't afraid

Whether or not you can use force in self defense is based on your belief in imminent danger to yourself.

That means it is possible that you can have two people in a situation where they each perceive imminent danger from the other. In that case, either party could use force legally.

So (from a legal point of view) all that matters is whether or not Zimmerman perceived imminent danger from Martin. It doesn't really matter what Martin's thoughts about Zimmerman were at they time - only his actions and how they were interpreted by Zimmerman.

In my opinion - Zimmerman went out looking to be a hero and confront the 'bad guys' in the neighborhood. He saw someone that fit his profile of what a 'bad guy' was and proceeded to confront Martin - who didn't react as Zimmerman expected him to (probably because unlike a actual criminal in the neighborhood, Martin wasn't looking to avoid others, or get away, or run and hide, or whatever) and Zimmerman panicked and shot him.

I fully believe that if it were not for Zimmerman's actions earlier in the evening, Martin would be alive today. I also believe that the jury is going to come back with a not guilty verdict because it is going to be difficult to convince them beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman did not perceive an imminent threat from Martin.

[yardwork]

33. Well, that would be miscarriage of justice IMO

We only have Zimmerman's word that it was self-defense and he has an obvious bias.

[Skittles]

9. please answer why Zimmerman's "fear" trumps Trayvon's fear

it was TRAYVON who lost his life to a gun-toting vigilante

[Tx4obama]

15. customerserviceguy is only pointing out what the 'Defense attorneys' will do.

It will up to the Prosecution to remind the jury of Trayvon's rights and fears.

[customerserviceguy]

21. Thank you

For all those who have been offended by the defense's questioning so far, I'm telling them that they ain't seen nothing yet.

[exboyfil]

5. I thought the gun was in a concealed carry holster

No way he sees it without it already being out (or at least being reached for). Either case is a provocation for Martin to defend himself (that is the theory the prosecution used in the Dooley case that got the manslaughter conviction - Dooley displayed gun and James jumped him because of the gun). James has right to defend himself but Martin doesn't??? James was a 41 year old retired Air Force Iraq veteran confronting a 69 year old man. Dooley was being grabbed by the throat and pushed to the ground when he fired.

Dooley (69) 5 ft 7 in and 160 pounds
James (41) 6 ft 1 in and 240 pounds

Zimmerman (28) 5 ft 8 in and 185 pounds
Martin (17) 6 ft and 160 pounds

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

6. So the Zimmerman Cheerleaders want us to believe that...

Trayvon was smothering Zimmerman while simultaneously banging his head in the concrete while simultaneously pinning Zimmerman down with his knees to armpits while simultaneously breaking his nose while simultaneously seeing the gun and grabbing it, which Zimmerman demonstrates is behind his back on the right side. (Note: no DNA on Zimmerman's gun and Trayvon is right-handed.)

Trayvon would've had to do quite amazing acrobatics to hold Zimmerman down while at the same time, using his right hand to reach across Zimmerman's body and grab his gun.

Really? I mean, do they really think people are that fucking stupid?

[Tx4obama]

8. And don't forget...

While blood was gushing down the back of Zimmerman's throat from the nose bleed and Trayvon had his hands over Zimmerman's nose and mouth - Zimmerman was able to yell at the top of his lungs.

NO WAY IN HELL that happened!!!

[uponit7771]

31. Good point about the blood going down Zimmermans mouth

[Nevernose]

13. Yes, they do (n/t)

[uponit7771]

30. +1

[Rex]

10. They lost it at when Martin sat up and said, 'gosh you got me'.

Which of course would have been impossible with a point blank shot to the heart. Team Zim thinks the jury has a collective IQ of 64 and that is why they are going to lose.

[Tx4obama]

11. I wish the jury was allowed to pose questions to the witnesses like they did in the...

... the Jodi Arias trial out in Arizona.

[Rex]

12. That would be awesome.

I bet they have a lot of questions by now.

[rhett o rick]

14. IMO Trayvon saw the gun. IMO Zimmy was stalking TM, so why wouldnt he have his gun out?

I think TM saw the gun and realized he was in deep shit and decided to fight. I dont buy it that Zimmy went into a confrontation w/o his gun out.

[madashelltoo]

19. Count me in on that one too.

[justiceischeap]

23. You gotta ask yourself why Martin would confront Zimmerman if he already had his gun out

That isn't logical. If I see someone with a gun, I'm going to challenge him with my fists? I'm not a Zimmerman "supporter," I think he's guilty as hell but that hypothesis just doesn't stand up to logic.

[rhett o rick]

25. If confronted with a crazy man with a gun at close range, there

is a good chance he fought.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

24. That is pretty illogical for someone to fight when the other person is pointing a gun at you.

It's not very smart thinking, and I don't believe for one minute that Trayvon was not a smart kid. You'd have to be pretty fucking stupid to attack someone with a gun and you have nothing to defend yourself with.

Try again...

[RedCappedBandit]

20. Six arms, x-ray vision, marijuana-induced superhuman strength and rage...

no wonder GZ felt intimidated!

[uponit7771]

32. Don't for get TM wore a hoody cape....it gives him 10% more power

[LynnTTT]

26. And Judge is wrong to allow Trayvon's pot use into the trial

The police did not do a toxicology test on Zimmerman , so there is no way of knowing if he had been drinking, using drugs , whatever. Doesn't seem fair to me.

[Hoyt]

27. Police do know Zimmy was taking prescription drugs that alter judgement, increase anxiety/aggression

I'm sure Florida laws (written with help of NRA) prevent that coming into evidence whenever a white guy shoots an unarmed black teen.