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mnhtnbb

(31,390 posts)
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 11:37 PM Jul 2013

Who watched Gasland II on HBO tonight? Anybody?

Here's a pretty good summary:

We Can't All Just Move



And so Gasland II begins much like 2010’s Gasland, with connections defined by similar experiences with odious oil and gas industry representatives. He begins this film with the 2010 BP oil spill, a means to set up both the industry’s need to seek out alternative fuel sources and its inclination to deceive. The film emphasizes the cover-up part of the BP spill, as Fox films images not captured by journalists whose access as restricted at the time (“This is what it really looked like,” he narrates mournfully, over shots of waters darkened by oil).

<snip>

As in the first film, these water-on-fire shots here help to express citizens’ frustrations. As Fox travels from Dimock, Pennsylvania and Dish, Texas to Baldwin Hills, California, each speaker has his or her own footage of contaminated tap water or methane flames shooting up into the sky above a processing facility. The common solutions for this dilemma are two: leave people to endure or not (Texas Representative Lon Burnham says, “We’ve got a lot of upper middle class white people with college degrees getting ticked off because they’re being treated the way third world people have always been treated by corporate America”), or move them.

Driven to desperation—their water is unusable, their properties are unsellable, their children are sicker by the day—many victims take the only option they can, which is to sign deals with the gas-drilling companies whereby the must move off their land, leave behind their homes, and never speak of what’s happened, owing to non-disclosure clauses. Again, Fox underscores the significance of who speaks, who tells the story. For even if the gas-drilling representatives of their lobbyists remain off screen, their money speaks loudly. Kucinich cites the effects of Citizens United specifically, as this Supreme Court decision allows such particular storytellers to remain undisclosed.

Fox goes one more step in this story of how stories are stifled. He films his own effort to record a public hearing in 2012, where the House Subcommittee on Energy and Environment was to consider the EPA’s report on the links between fracking and water contamination in Pavilion, Wyoming (it was, he notes, “the first time EPA verified that fracking chemicals were in the water because of fracking,” and its eventual disavowal by the Obama Administration precedes Lisa Jackson’s February 2013 resignation as EPA administrator). The film includes footage of Fox being handcuffed and led outside the hearing room—despite his legal right to be in the room with his camera—and as he appears in canted frame, the exterior lighting and architecture creating a weirdly science-fictiony effect, he narrates his own story, his sense of “freedom” in the arrest and subsequent fingerprinting at the police station, his inability to film, to act, to speak, after three years of working on the film. At this moment, he says, his sense of freedom is at once ironic and horrific: “I didn’t have to do anything,” he says, his hands behind his back.

http://www.popmatters.com/pm/review/173326-gasland-ii-fracking-revisited/

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Who watched Gasland II on HBO tonight? Anybody? (Original Post) mnhtnbb Jul 2013 OP
Dodgers and Diamondbacks are on! cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #1
Hubby & I watched. Damned scary that Ilsa Jul 2013 #2
A haunting and poetic documentary. Powerful and shocking. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #3
I watched it PlanetBev Jul 2013 #4
I saw it and it disgusts me. 7wo7rees Jul 2013 #11
I haven't seen the first one. laundry_queen Jul 2013 #5
don't you get multiple hbo's dsc Jul 2013 #7
I only get HBO Canada :( nt laundry_queen Jul 2013 #8
For fun, look up the rebuttal to the 1st one Nevernose Jul 2013 #12
If you missed it and are on the east coast, they are running it again at midnight. mnhtnbb Jul 2013 #6
In the first year 5% of all wells will have sustained casing pressure, leak in other words... Agony Jul 2013 #9
Don't have hbo. most of what they have is rerunned crap that is not worth $40/month. madinmaryland Jul 2013 #10
I recorded it. I will watch it tomorrow in the morning. Cleita Jul 2013 #13
no HBO. Will definitely watch it sometime later though. nt limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #14
I am watching it now. Fuming mad. Maven Jul 2013 #15
Almost more stunning than the first. K/R. drokhole Jul 2013 #16
I watched it tonight, and I'm in shock. Blue_In_AK Jul 2013 #17
Judges ruled there's a hoax in this movie? garybeck Jul 2013 #18
Hey, garybeck... ReRe Jul 2013 #19
yes the article looks very slanted, however I read the link to the court document garybeck Jul 2013 #23
bingo Champion Jack Jul 2013 #28
Here's a link concerning that scene: grntuscarora Jul 2013 #22
thanks, but they don't really address the judge's ruling in that video garybeck Jul 2013 #24
You think Judges aren't corrupt for the oil and gas industry? ReRe Jul 2013 #25
yes I think some judges are corrupt, however garybeck Jul 2013 #35
I saw the hose in the movie. Notafraidtoo Jul 2013 #31
It was a hoax, or misleading, the part with the hose. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #36
Horrified. Worse part.... Duppers Jul 2013 #20
Seems Rendell is yesphan Jul 2013 #26
definitely! Duppers Jul 2013 #30
and his ties to yesphan Jul 2013 #32
Over the last few years I've flown from NC to CA and back a number of times mnhtnbb Jul 2013 #21
After watching this i found out. Notafraidtoo Jul 2013 #27
I was thinking.. Notafraidtoo Jul 2013 #29
there's another thread about this as well. Greybnk48 Jul 2013 #33
Powerful Part II otohara Jul 2013 #34

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
2. Hubby & I watched. Damned scary that
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 11:47 PM
Jul 2013

We are willing to sell out our democracy and burn up our planet this way.

PlanetBev

(4,104 posts)
4. I watched it
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 11:48 PM
Jul 2013

This kind of stuff should be on network TV. I used to see documentaries on TV when I was a kid in 50's and 60's. Now replaced with Dancing with the Stars and American Idol. Crying shame.

7wo7rees

(5,128 posts)
11. I saw it and it disgusts me.
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 12:29 AM
Jul 2013

Waiting for the whistleblowers now, because we don't have a safe air or water department anymore.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
5. I haven't seen the first one.
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 11:51 PM
Jul 2013

and I saw this post too late, it's half over. I have it set to record on Friday morning, then I'll watch the entire thing.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
12. For fun, look up the rebuttal to the 1st one
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 12:35 AM
Jul 2013

And then read the counter-rebuttal. It's like absurdist theatre, if written by petrochemical companies.

Agony

(2,605 posts)
9. In the first year 5% of all wells will have sustained casing pressure, leak in other words...
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 11:57 PM
Jul 2013

In 30 years 50% of all wells will have sustained casing pressure... in Pennsylvania that will 30,000+ leaking wells.

This data is from the Gas industry, they have known this all along.

With Fracking, some people win big... and some people lose big... everybody loses the climate change lottery.

garybeck

(9,942 posts)
18. Judges ruled there's a hoax in this movie?
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 02:42 AM
Jul 2013

don't attack me for posting this. I am against fracking. However according to this article one of the scenes in this movie is a hoax, in which someone makes it look like they are lighting water on fire, but they really had the hose hooked up to a gas line. I have not seen the film. I tried to find a response from the director to this question but haven't found anything yet.


Gasland Director Presents Anti-Fracking Hoax as Evidence in New Film
freebeacon.com

Court found fire-spouting hose to be a hoax created for publicity

...snip
Fox’s new film, Gasland Part II, features a powerful scene showing a Texas landowner lighting the contents of a garden hose on fire. The incident is presented as evidence of water contamination from a nearby hydraulic fracturing operation.

According to a Texas court, the scene was actually a hoax devised by a Texas environmental activist engaged in a prolonged battle with a local gas company to falsely inflate the supposed dangers of the oil and gas extraction technique, also known as fracking.
...snip

http://freebeacon.com/gasland-director-presents-anti-fracking-hoax-as-evidence-in-new-film/

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
19. Hey, garybeck...
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 04:02 AM
Jul 2013

... You do know that this is a publication by one of those 501c(4) winger think tanks out of Texas, right? You might try to find some back up for this article, as this one looks entirely too bogus. I thought it seemed a little too slanted toward the fracking industry... read it twice just to be sure I wasn't jumping to conclusions. Then I started clicking around on the links. This really stinks to high heaven. Let's try to find a couple more sources?

garybeck

(9,942 posts)
24. thanks, but they don't really address the judge's ruling in that video
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 12:40 PM
Jul 2013

are we supposed to think the judges are corrupt, or the ruling is a fabrication, or ...?

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
25. You think Judges aren't corrupt for the oil and gas industry?
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 04:03 PM
Jul 2013

Do you remember the winger Judges in New Orleans after the BP oil catastrophe?

I've got a bridge to sell you. Perfectly good bridge, not much for the wear. I did see Gasland II early this AM on HBO. Will watch it again and try to find more about this Judge's decision and more articles. Need more sources and followup. Until then, I call this report bogus. I do not mean this as a personal affront to you. We just need to be careful & check other sources.

garybeck

(9,942 posts)
35. yes I think some judges are corrupt, however
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 06:36 PM
Jul 2013

I always try to be objective and not assume one thing or another just based on the circumstances or who is doing what. if the scene is a hoax I'd like to know it. If it's not a hoax, I would be refuting references to the judge's ruling on places like facebook (which is where I saw the reference in the first place, and I often refute bogus claims there but I need facts to back me up).

Notafraidtoo

(402 posts)
31. I saw the hose in the movie.
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 04:34 PM
Jul 2013

They mention it in the film saying that the gas company is suing them for 12 million dollars.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
36. It was a hoax, or misleading, the part with the hose.
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 02:32 AM
Oct 2014

Watching it now, thought I'd Google back in time a year to see what DU was buying about this movie.

Duppers

(28,123 posts)
20. Horrified. Worse part....
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 05:19 AM
Jul 2013

Worst part is how Obama has handled this immense disaster. GL 2 made the point that both he and Hillary Clinton are supporting global efforts to pull petrol products from shale!!! How can Democrats pretend to care about GCC and support such policies???

Change? What change?

I wanted to provide a link but my short search pulled up so much disinformation from the keyboards of reichwing think tanks. They're out in force on this one, even here and on Daily Kos.



Duppers

(28,123 posts)
30. definitely!
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 04:29 PM
Jul 2013

Last edited Tue Jul 9, 2013, 06:51 PM - Edit history (1)

Rendell is a major sellout. Major. Yet, Chris Matthews is forever kissing his ass.


Edited to correct my phone's autocorrect.

mnhtnbb

(31,390 posts)
21. Over the last few years I've flown from NC to CA and back a number of times
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 08:35 AM
Jul 2013

due to death in the family and helping surviving spouse--my uncle--cope
with the loss. I had seen-from the airplane-- these funny little pads with long driveways to them
all over the middle of the country and couldn't figure out what they were!

Drilling sites! It's really unbelievable how many of them have popped up
in the last 5 or so years.

Notafraidtoo

(402 posts)
27. After watching this i found out.
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 04:21 PM
Jul 2013

I am considered a insurgent for being against poisoning of water and air and they are using phys ops against americans.

Notafraidtoo

(402 posts)
29. I was thinking..
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 04:28 PM
Jul 2013

With so much methane being released into the atmosphere from the wells and tens of thousands of them going up every year how much will this accelerate climate change.

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