Max Keiser: Prism & Purity Nsa Follows Nazi Tradition

[xiamiam]

The NSA in America is following in the Nazi tradition in its attempt to discriminate based on data collection, modeled around their belief system - which justifies trashing the Constitution in pursuit of ‘pure’ data.

DNA is data. Thanks to the scientific work of Watson and Crick and their discovery of the double-helix and all its component parts in the DNA strands that make up all living cells, we know that humans are made up of data. To microbiologists and bio-engineers, this information means the development of drugs and treatments for illnesses - leading to more healthy, better lives.

For dystopian, nightmarish autocrats and megalomaniacs, data can be interpreted as a way to segregate populations based on outward traits such as skin color, physical appearance, family history and cultural affinities. The National Socialist Party in Germany back in the 1930s used this access and warehousing of data as the basis for their attempt to create a ‘pure’ race of people: unquestioning of authority, uniform in appearance - with homicidal and genocidal tendencies. They succeeded. Purity of data; mostly drawn from inferences from DNA data resulted in a singularly genocidal group of uniform-looking killers who lauded ‘pure’ DNA-types and went about exterminating the others (while transferring these fellow citizens’ wealth; the real reason behind the pogrom).

The NSA in America, similar to Nazi’s attempt to discriminate based on data collection, justifies trashing the Constitution in pursuit of ‘pure’ data. It's not about Aryan blood this time, but identifying pure, ‘patriots’ whose emails, data searches, emails, credit card charges, online chats, cell phone chats, physical mail (being photographed), fingerprints, and blood samples must pass through data-mining's ‘Big Data’ purity analyzer to make certain that every American - no, correct that, everyone on Earth who interacts digitally - is pure of heart and spirit (read: willing to shop themselves to death). All dissenters will be arrested. All assemblies will be broken up. All attempts at nonconformity will be met with harsh prison sentences.
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http://rt.com/op-edge/prism-nsa-follows-nazi-tradition-830/

[frazzled]

1. Congratulations!

You win the crazy thread of the day!

I guess the hyperbole level wasn't ratcheted up high enough yet. Time to call in the Nazi comparisons!

[CakeGrrl]

3. How long do you give it until

we start seeing the inevitable Obama > Hitler morph photo, accompanied by

"Ouch!"
"Truth hurts!" and

[BenzoDia]

51. +1

[NoPasaran]

2. The old Reductio ad Hitler

Our reality is powerless against it.

[HappyMe]

4. Good grief!

What the hell is it with the Nazi/Hitler crap....

[snooper2]

5. man the stupid that gets posted here just keeps coming

Thanks Snowy...


The only thing you REALLY accomplished is provdiing a cover story for trolls and idiots to spew their shit on this website.

If I ever see you there will be one good smack upside the back of your head for that

[sufrommich]

6. Max Keiser is a regular on Alex Jones radio program and infowars.

Birds of a feather.

[Cleita]

21. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.n/t

[arely staircase]

26. oh an Alex Jones regular making the Obama Hitler comparison on DU

awesome

[xiamiam]

7. so far, not one comment of substance..not surprised

mass surveillance of the world is ok with some of you...pitiful and totally irresponsible

[snooper2]

8. Do you know what the file size is

When you capture a G.722 call with a duration of 5 minutes?

[HappyMe]

9. Put up an OP

with some substance, and you'll get substance in return.

[NoPasaran]

16. Amen!

[MineralMan]

12. I see you have replied to your original post.

You are correct. There was not one comment of substance in it. Just wild imaginings of Max Keiser, an Alex Jones sycophant.

[xiamiam]

13. and you learned that here? lol..broaden your horizons a little..nt

[MineralMan]

15. Actually, no. The connection between Alex Jones

and Keiser is well-known. Google makes it clear, as do the many occasions where they are joining forces.

[xiamiam]

17. i know who Max Keiser is..dont have to google but I'm glad you did.

You might want to listen to one of his financial news segments as well.

[MineralMan]

18. To what end? I have no investments, nor

any prospect of having any.

[xiamiam]

22. lol..i knew you had no idea who he is and were just repeating something you heard

its ok..i don't have any investments either. Financial terrorism is what he talks about Max is worth the watch. .exposes corruption, always ahead of the curve, a bit zany but very very smart and the second part of his show has a guest who is usually another brilliant economist or professor or a person who just wrote a book about a financial issue. I thought about not even responding to your last post but the truth is, I prefer people have information. If you want to diminish him because of what you heard instead of what you know, then I am wasting my time.. your choice.

[KoKo]

46. Alex Jones and Max Keiser are joining forces to do WHAT?

Please explain what you think they are planning on doing that you feel so strongly about?

[DevonRex]

14. And batshit crazy Alex Jones babble is ok with some. Not with me.

Except for a laugh. Hilarious to see what's taken seriously. Like no terrorists exist or some such bullshit. The moon is made of Swiss cheese and Obama bombed it. After he bugged it. On his way back from Mars.

[KoKo]

45. Why do you watch Alex Jones so often that you give him plugs for his show?

I'm always surprised at the DU'ers who advocate against free speech on Media here on DU.

[DevonRex]

47. Since this guy is an Alex Jones regular the original post plugs Jones.

You really are bad at comebacks. Perhaps you should learn how to do them.

[KoKo]

48. Guilt by Association? Does that strike you as a Democratic Ideal?

You want Media Censorship here in USA... Is that what you are trying to say?

[DevonRex]

49. Koko, the article is ridiculous conspiracy theory bullshit written by an insane loon.

Clear enough for you? On top of that, he regularly appears on Alex Jones' insane, crazy lunatic show - which is exactly where he belongs. It's hysterically funny if you watch it after smoking a joint. You should try that sometime. Unless weed makes you paranoid, in which case you'll find yourself tinfoiling your house after stockpiling 50 cals. Luckily for me, I'm not the paranoid type.

[tritsofme]

20. Nonsense like this deserves nothing but ridicule.

[olddots]

10. made me look -------

made me ignore you

[xiamiam]

11. thanks..did us both a favor..nt

[Cleita]

19. Yep and yet the bots defend it.

The Nazis operated on the principle of the ends justifies the means and now we have been doing it for a few decades somewhat, but it seems to have gone on steriods in the last five years where our laws and policies have been changed reflecting that philosophy.

[xiamiam]

23. thanks Cleita, I dont even think they read the article or understand the connection to financial

corruption. its sad but thank heavens I don't rely on their denial or lack of information to keep me informed.

[cali]

30. oh, I read it. And as someone who knows the history of the Nazi period

I have to say, it's one of the clumsiest, poorest attempts at linking Nazi tactics to a current situation, I've ever seen.

[DevonRex]

24. What "bots" would those be, Cleita? I see lots of people ridiculing the post

as it should be ridiculed. Regulars on Alex Jones need to be ridiculed often and with zeal. It's really too bad when people get sucked into CT bullshit. Next thing you know they're on some reality shown featuring survivalists.

[iemitsu]

27. I'm no Alex Jones fan but we should be careful of rejecting,

out of hand, everything that those on the far right say or think.
They may draw crazy conclusions but they are concerned about the same issues that those on the left worry about.
As is often the case when one tries to visualize a social spectrum, the political thought spectrum is not linear, it is bent or perhaps even circular.
When your neighbor makes an assertion about his/her view, he/she is not necessarily wrong, if what he/she can see from where they stand, doesn't match what you see from where you are standing.
Using the Nazis as a comparison in any modern political debate is usually a failure, but that could be the result of those, who don't like being characterized that way, insisting that the comparison is out of bounds. Their outrage shuts down the debate and nullifies the original argument.
It is not a good thing to ban the mention of a worst case scenario when attempting to foresee how policy decisions might play out.
If our political or business leaders are promoting policy that is Nazi-like then we ought to be able to be honest about it. Otherwise there is no reason for leaders not to adopt those policies, because if they do we can't say anything about it.

[cali]

42. we should be discerning and this piece is so obviously the worst kind of paranoid delusional

crap from someone who hasn't a freakin' clue as to the history of the period he refers to.

I am appalled that anyone would give this any kind of serious consideration. Doing so indicates a real lack of critical thinking skills.

[KoKo]

50. Again....what are you afraid of? I see posts all the time quoting Rush Limbaugh and RW'ers....

Argue the points but don't advocate Censorship ....as if DU'ers need to be protected from different view points. Argue the article if you find it offensive and pick out what you disagree with. There is enough Censorship already in the US...we could do with a bit more opposing viewpoints to sharpen our debating skills, imho.

[DevonRex]

53. LOL, Koko. I see you were afraid to respond above. So you changed subthreads.

Jesus, could you be any more obvious?

[arely staircase]

25. Full metal Godwin right out of the gate

[Benton D Struckcheon]

28. Godwin

Period.
To flesh that out a bit: if you're a useless demagogue, bring up Hitler/Nazis/Stalin/commies. Whee! Instant gratification. No thought needed.

[cali]

29. oh for pity's sake. what moronic, vile shit.

lying, stupid, conspiracy, stupid, nothing like the Nazis, stupid, stupid, stupid.

[Laelth]

31. k&r for exposure. n/t

-Laelth

[cali]

32. this is so stupid and batshit crazy and wrong historically, I really shouldn't bother, but...

No, the NSA isn't doing anything in the Nazi tradition. It's purpose is to stop terrorist attacks. I despise the terror, terror, terror mentality and I want far more vigorous oversight and a FISA court that isn't a virtual rubber stamp, but the NSA isn't about "pure" anything. This has to be one of the most awkward verbal square pegs trying to ram itself into a round hole, that I've ever encountered. There really isn't anything more to say about that garbled analogy, except a fried brain is a terrible thing to see and I'm not really being flippant.

DNA has jackshit to do with the NSA surveillance programs.

The real reason behind the holocaust was not merely the amassing of wealth. For fuck's sake, most of the people who perished sure as shit weren't wealthy.

Moving right along:

"Back in Hitler’s day, the rich were targeted; their wealth stolen and the lives snuffed out, but this time it’s the poor who are being sent to the Gulag. "

bzzt. nope, nope and nope. who was the slave labor for? Rich industrialist. I don't suppose the author's ever heard of Krupp or Thyssen or read Manchester's Arms of Krupp.

And then this idiot goes even further into gobbly gook with DATA DEATH MACHINES and I just give up.

C'mon people You have to read with discernment. There's a shitload of information out there. Don't buy into the worst of it.

And this is the worst of it. At least I hope so.

[railsback]

33. Not much different than the diatribes heard here

[cali]

34. oh nonsense. codswallop

Let me ask you, do you consider my posts in the vein of the op?

[railsback]

36. Codswallop? Very nice

Anywho, I've lost count of how many times I've seen people use 'STASI', or hid behind MLK's "We can never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was 'legal' ". The gist is just as paranoid as Max Keiser's rant.

[cali]

37. You didn't answer my question. n/t

[railsback]

38. Well, if you're looking for vindication from me

No

[cali]

40. not vindication. I was curious as to where your bar was

my sense is that you call just about anything you don't agree with a "crazy rant".

[railsback]

43. Anyone invoking Nazi-ism is crazy, IMO.

[Octafish]

44. ''Let's forgive the NAZI war criminals.'' - George Herbert Walker Bush

Poppy Bush wants us to move on. He is quoted as stating the above in The New York Times of April 14, 1990, back when he was president.

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

35. Russia Today

Not really interested in what a news network funded by the federal budget of Russia has to say about the United States.

Not sure how they see the speck in our eye with that enormous log dangling from theirs.

[sigmasix]

39. hey hey here come the nazi comparisons

Congratulations! Your OP was found to be lacking in truth from the very beginning because of the ever-useful Nazi epithet. No one will read this pile of excreted words with any sort of charity due to this bit of dishonesty dressed-up as a "news item". Hint for the future- if you think America is such a friendly place for nazis and their activities please offer evidence for said nazi activity; not a jumbled word-salad loaded with confirmation bias and willfully ignorant revisionism.
Seems like the right wing media attack engine is running low on material, so they once again roll-out the spectre of nazi stormtroopers working for the president and in control of our intelligence organizations.
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The Nazis are gonna get you if you don't agree with the paranoid narrative.

[Major Hogwash]

41. Does he have his own tv program?

There are some guys on tv that are not worth watching.

[DontTreadOnMe]

52. The Nazis are coming!