My friend likes to complain about the NSA spying on us (himself included)

[NightWatcher]

He then proceeds to tell everyone on Facebook and something called Foursquare where he is having dinner, with whom he is dining with, and goes so far to post a picture of the food on his plate for every meal his family eats outside the home.

The NSA doesn't have to spy when you volunteer the food on your plate, location, and dining partners.

Derp?

[bunnies]

1. Ive asked the same question to many of my facebook using friends.

Its like they think the site is invisible or something. I dont get it.

[Wait Wut]

5. I think it must be a psychological illusion.

I think some people fall into a false sense of community/family with FB and forget that with or without privacy settings, you're pretty much out there in your undies.

I'm still reminding people on a regular basis not to post their phone numbers on my wall. I have zero privacy settings turned on.

[bunnies]

13. And the personal conversations people have...

it really blows my mind. Ive learned more about some people on fb (strangers and not) than I would probably ever know otherwise. That unfortunately means Ive learned that some of my friends aren't the people I thought they were. A guy Ive known for like 20 years posted some racist t-bagger pic the other day and I was like... WTF? Hes a racist? Really? Another one had the gall to wish a happy Independence day "to the 49% of people not mooching from the government". I almost smashed my puter.

I think its especially crazy of people who have kids. They put their names, photos, likes, activities, schedules... Its like a road map for a kidnapper, ffs.

Then theres the people who tell the world about their medical issues. Doesnt anyone keep anything to themselves anymore?

Crazy.

[Wait Wut]

34. Aw geez...

...the husband and I have a mutual friend that went on for two days about his bowel movements. He had food poisoning or something.

And, the kids...I do tell my friends to not post their kids info on FB. Some listen, some don't. It scares the hell outta me.

[bunnies]

38. Please tell me there werent photos.

ewww.

[TheMadMonk]

51. There's a site for that. www.ratemypoo.com /nt

[bunnies]

59. holy shit.

How the hell did you know that?

[TheMadMonk]

61. Does this "Never Gonna Give You Up" give you a clue?

Now the $65536 question, did you?

[bunnies]

62. omg. Have I been Poorolled?

Yeah. I went there.

[TheMadMonk]

63. Points for honesty. Now Bonsaikitten.com

Sadly due to the lack of many folks ability to recognise satire on the internet, most of the "best" images are now gone.

[bunnies]

64. I remember that site from years ago.

Havent thought of it in ages. Thank you. Funny then and funny now. And I love kittehs!

[Electric Monk]

17. Show them this video from The Onion. I might get through to them, using humor.

[bunnies]

22. lmao.

Thats hilarious. Thanks for posting it. Im definitely going to use that.

[TheMadMonk]

55. More like frightening. Consider this, the average FB page, eclipses the STASI files of the...

...most tracked dissidents in East Germany.

[bunnies]

60. I dont doubt it.

And people just give the info up.

[treestar]

41. LOL

The CIA's best friend!

[Wait Wut]

2. I had one announce on FB...

...he was getting rid of his smart phone so the 'feds' couldn't spy on him. I didn't say a word. No one did. I think we all just felt sorry for him.

Another complains about NSA spying and then posts his 'extracurricular activities' on FB.

[HappyMe]

11. Yup. It's kind of goofy.

I have my FB pretty locked up - only close family and a couple friends. My step sister had some doodad on her phone where it showed you exactly where she was having coffee. None of my FB people are worried much about this at all. Look at all the crazy stuff people put on YouTube.

People bank, pay bills, order stuff on-line all the time. I would be more worried about the hackers/identity theft asshats than anybody else. The government already has your financial stuff because of the IRS.

[Wait Wut]

39. My bestie removed that app from her friend...

...after I picked on her relentlessly.

It's a stalker's dream come true.

[HardTimes99]

14. The first rule of counter-measures (or maybe that's a 'meta rule') is that

you don't publish your counter-measures, otherwise they lose much of their effectiveness. (Parse that out, you NSA fuckers.)

Your screen handle seems entirely a propos as a response to your friend

[think]

3. I have multiple business plans online. Should I be concerned that a private contractor

that works with the NSA might have access to those business plans legally or illegally?

(I do have many business plans online at Google and LivePlan.com.)

Because it seems like someone breached security lately at Booz Allen.

And this private company, Booz Allen is owned by investors known as the Carlyle Group.

The Carlyle Group paid a $20 million dollar fine for allegedly bribing a NY state pension officials who have been under investigation by New York State Attorney General.

Shouldn't this concern a business owner or a person who has a business plan online?

Wikipedia: The Carlyle Group Since 2007

In March 2009, New York State and federal authorities began an investigation into payments made by Carlyle's Riverstone Holdings subsidiary to placement agents allegedly made in exchange for investments from the New York State Common Retirement System, the state's pension fund. In 2000, Carlyle had entered into a joint venture with Riverstone Holdings, an energy and power focused private equity firm founded by former Goldman Sachs investment bankers. It was alleged that these payments were in fact bribes or kickbacks, made to pension officials who have been under investigation by New York State Attorney General, Andrew Cuomo.[43] In May 2009, Carlyle agreed to pay $20 million in a settlement with Cuomo and accepted changes to its fundraising practices.[44]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlyle_Group#Since_2007

CARLYLE GROUP FINED IN NY PENSION SCANDAL

ASSOCIATED PRESS
Last Updated: 2:28 PM, May 14, 2009
Posted: 12:51 PM, May 14, 2009



One of the nation's largest private equity funds has agreed to pay $20 million over its role in a corruption scandal involving New York's public pension fund.

The Carlyle Group was one of several firms that paid millions of dollars to an aide to New York's former comptroller in exchange for help obtaining investments from the retirement fund. ...

~Snip~

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/regional/item_Y7TIdVqJlQ6A2qZOUYK3zM

[FarCenter]

12. I wouldn't put business plans in the cloud without encrypting them first

NSA and Booz Allen are less a worry than your competitors when it comes to business confidential information. If you need to store it online, first encrypt its and then upload it.

[think]

21. I'm not going to brag about my business lans as they aren't earth changing

But I don't care if Booz Allen or The Carlyle Group "cares" about my paltry plans.

I care that they obey the law and without transparency that is extremely hard to verify.

I will look into further encryption. Thank you for your advice. I am serious as to my business plans and do hope I can get one of them off the ground soon.

It's nothing that will make me rich but hopefully pay the bills....

[FarCenter]

30. If you are using an "application as a service" planning tool --

It may be OK, provided that -
- interactions are after you log in and HTTPS is used, and
- the service agreement with the planning tool provider is satisfactory to you with respect to confidentiality.

But note that cloud providers are extremely unlikely to enter into a contract that makes them liable for consequential damages in the event of an information disclosure.

[think]

33. I probably should read the LivePlan.com contract more thoroughly

I have read it but not real well.

I no longer create business plans on Google Docs. The tools at LivePlan.com & the security (I think) makes it worth paying a few bucks a month for.

But as I say my business plans are more modest and along the line of a franchise operation rather than a corporation.

However I have worked on other business plans for others that weren't as modest as mine and certainly there are many entrepreneurs out there who may have awesome cutting age plans that might want more transparency from their govt and make sure private contractors NEVER have access to their data.

I don't think that's too crazy of a concern to have in light of the allegations that The Carlyle group bribed pension fun officials with millions of dollars. An allegation that lead to The Carlyle Group paying a $20 million dollar fine!

[railsback]

23. In the immortal words of Lisbeth Salander:

'Please'.

[think]

26. Is it impossible to believe I have some modest business plans online?

I did mention they were nothing to brag about.

Good grief.....

[GeorgeGist]

4. I take Xmas pictures ...

but I object to the guy at the window taking them.

Derp?

[NightWatcher]

6. You can't complain about being spied on when you publish the information freely on the Internet

[frylock]

40. i'm not publishing my sms or phone conversations online..

moreover, you do understand the difference between giving something and taking something? you can give me $20 or I can take it from you.

[sabrina 1]

7. Did he post his SS# and his Bank Account statements, because he may as well since

his 'records don't belong to him'. NSA and their hundreds of Private Corps have a prefect right to access them, so does anyone else, we are now told.

Are you supporting this massive surveillance of the American people?

And did you know that a lot of people chose NOT to belong to FB for the very reason they didn't trust them. So your position is that because some people made a foolish choice, the rest of us who did not, should have their information made available to a bunch of Private Corporations??? Speak for yourself and your friend, millions, billions actually, prefer to keep their personal business out of the hands of Private Corporations and of the Government.

[JoePhilly]

16. Sorry, its not so black and white.

Your Social Security # is yours. "Your" phone number is not.

[sabrina 1]

65. No, it's not. We have been told that our 'records do not belong to us'. That if you

give your info to anyone, the Bank, the Phone Co. the records THEY keep are THEIRS, not YOURS and they are free to give them to anyone they please. Considering your SS# is required for your Bank Records and now many other accounts you start, you no longer own it.

I am merely repeating the argument for the 'collection and storing' of records. I don't like it so don't argue with me, argue with all the DUers who are fully supportive of this and repeat over and over again that we are wrong to whine about this because 'Your records don't belong to you so no one is stealing them'.

[JoePhilly]

66. No one is saying that. You are using a false strawman.

And you should not be using quotes in your last sentence because, again, no one is saying that.

Some aspects of "the records" belong to you. Some do not.

The content of a phone call belongs to you (and the other person), the routing information does not.

You can pretend to not understand this distinction if you want.

No one is arguing that all of the records do not belong to you. Some do. Some do not.

[Robb]

8. Why should I share all my personal information with the NSA

...when there is a Nigerian Prince who will pay me US $3 million for just my credit card number?

[bunnies]

15. You too?

And here I thought I was special.

[HappyMe]

18. It appears that this Nigerian prince

is lying, cheating bastard! I thought he was mine, all mine!

[bunnies]

19. Thats it.

Im breaking up with him. I had a feeling something wasnt right. What an asshole. If only I'd known.

[HappyMe]

20. I'm giving him a piece of my mind too.

I'll bet he runs off with Rachel from Card Services.

[bunnies]

25. He's probably not even a real prince!

Rachel can have him. She's a jerk anyway.

[HappyMe]

28. He never seemed very 'princely'

in any of his communications with me. No mention of a Rolls Royce or crowns or "I'll pick you up in the yacht, baby".
Just gimme, gimme, gimme! She's no damn better than he is. I'm sure they will be happy together.

[bunnies]

35. Agreed.

Screw 'em both. They deserve each other.

[think]

9. I also have Facebook page projects for my business started which are not being promoted

to the public that I hope to promote at later times.

Please note my concerns in my previous post.

[Turbineguy]

10. Found this:

http://www.glittersnipe.com/2013/07/09/from-texts-to-tweets-everything-the-nsa-knows-about-you-just-the-facts/

[NightWatcher]

27. What the fuck is your problem?

Just felt the need to chime in with your intelligent banter and insults?

Feel free to stfu if you don't have anything to add... Wait, I bet you take pictures of your food then bitch about a lack of privacy. DJ is that you?

[HappyMe]

29. Aren't you a peach!

Here's a kick in the ass.

[dkf]

31. How abut DU. Is it hypocritical to post political views and then complain about NSA spying?

Do we need have No digital presence if we dislike being spied on?

Personally it pisses me off that I am refraining from using conveniences because I don't want the government spying on me.

That's a great tool to stimulate the economy too...make us leery of adopting new technologies like google glass to protect our privacy. NOT.

[KurtNYC]

32. With all the focus on the leaker I have been thinking: Wouldn't a true narcissist WANT to be

spied on?

In companion to that, many have argued that 'if you have nothing to hide then what is the big deal?' That argument ignores the real problem with giving this kind of power to secret government and corporate entities. Sure, most of us lead fairly unremarkable lives and spying on us is at best a waste of time and money but this idea that it is about each of us as individuals is somewhat narcissistic.

The real vulnerability and problem with this kind of power is that can/will/is being used against elected officials, judges and small businesses. Whether one believe Russ Tice or not, I think he has hit on the biggest threat to democracy and to how we are cleaving into 2 classes:

"The abuse is rampant and everyone is pretending that it's never happened, and it couldn't happen. ... I know [there was abuse] because I had my hands on the papers for these sorts of things: They went after high-ranking military officers; they went after members of congress — Senate and the House — especially on the intelligence committees and the armed services committees, lawyers, law firms, judges, State Department officials, part of the White House, multinational companies, financial firms, NGOs, civil rights groups ..."

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-nsa-spied-on-barack-obama-2004-russ-tice-2013-6#ixzz2YaQj2T1G

[NightWatcher]

37. Once someone has dirt on you, they can own your ass

One of the big things in doing a background check on someone is to find out if they have dirt that someone could extort them with later.

[Union Scribe]

36. Can Facebook arrest him?

There's one massive difference. The other is voluntary versus involuntary revelation.

...but to be fair I'd be okay with the government cracking down on people who post photos of all their meals

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

50. We could eliminate a lot of vile crime if the data was used more.

Child pornography and sex trafficking would be a good start. I'd vote in the most affirmative yes possible to give the FBI access to that data to combat crimes like that.

[99Forever]

42. So your contention is that...

... because you someone that posts too much personal detail on FB, it's okay for the NSA to violate everyone's 4th Amendment Constitutional RIGHT.

That about it?

You don't want to know what I have to say about your position and those that agree with you.

[NightWatcher]

43. To claim that you care about privacy one minute

and the next you post your whereabouts, pictures of your kids, travel plans, and even the details of your meals seems kinda weird to me.

You complain about the NSA harvesting metadata, then you provide them with volumes of metadata voluntarily, there seems to be a disconnect.

I would think that if privacy was paramount to you, you wouldn't share the details of your life on the World Wide Web.

I'm against the snooping that has been going on, but then again I don't post a shit ton of my detailed personal life online.

[99Forever]

44. Pardon me?

Is there some part of my post where I state that I "you post your whereabouts, pictures of your kids, travel plans, and even the details of your meals", that I can't see and have no memory of typing?

So again I ask, how does you knowing someone that posts details of their life on Facebook justify the NSA violating the 4th Amendment RIGHTS of hundreds of millions of Americans? Am I typing too fast for you?

[NightWatcher]

47. I was referencing the OP

I was commenting that its peculiar for my friend to post all the intimate details one moment then complain about snooping the next moment

I WAS NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU

I'm not talking about the NSA spying on millions of people or on you. The OP is an individual comment about one person and their attitude regarding posting personal details and government overreach.

Don't worry, I typed this slowly because you appear to have reading comprehension issues.

[99Forever]

52. I comprehend just fine.

I comprehend that you still didn't answer my question, but simply danced a sidestep around it.

As expected.

Have a nice evening.

[JaneyVee]

45. The irony of a nation full of narcissists complaining about being spied on.

[NightWatcher]

48. Yep

[KharmaTrain]

49. That's The Amusing Aspect...

...as to why the government would want to spy on a vast majority of people in the first place. If they want to get personal information there's plenty available...such as your tax returns, driving record and tons of privacy data that is bought and sold. I'd think that having to sit and read emails or listen to personal calls all day would be the most boring and outright depressing job around...

Cheers...

[Ed Suspicious]

56. Just because I like to have sex doesn't mean I like to be raped.

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

46. I volunteer more information than the NSA collates on me.

Privacy advocates are the new Luddites in this digital age.

I understand their concerns, but I do not share them.

[think]

54. Privacy advocates are Luddites? Are the people at Mozilla, Reddit, and Word Press Luddites?

http://www.ibtimes.com/4th-july-protest-reddit-mozilla-wordpress-plan-anti-nsa-protest-restore-fourth-1333971

[DirkGently]

53. Maybe he thinks giving some info voluntarily doesn't waive his rights

against government spying on him in secret?

He probably talks to people in public, but thinks that doesn't mean he can be recorded by law enforcement checking to see if he's a criminal.

I'll bet he might invite a government official into his home, and then later be angry when that same official breaks in and rifles through his personal things.

"Derp" indeed.

[noamnety]

57. +1

This, exactly.

Publishing select information is different than having the government collect information you didn't make public, without your consent.

[Ed Suspicious]

58. My friend has had sex with many people then he proceeds to get pissy when a police officer anally

rapes him.

Derp?