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Eugene

(61,899 posts)
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 04:34 PM Jul 2013

Snowden has not yet accepted asylum in Venezuela: WikiLeaks

Source: Reuters

Snowden has not yet accepted asylum in Venezuela: WikiLeaks

By Steve Gutterman
MOSCOW | Tue Jul 9, 2013 3:03pm EDT

(Reuters) - Former U.S. spy agency contractor Edward Snowden has not yet formally accepted asylum in Venezuela, the anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks said on Tuesday after a Russian lawmaker posted a statement to that effect on Twitter and then deleted it.

WikiLeaks, on its own Twitter feed, said that states involved in deciding an asylum destination for Snowden, who fled the United States last month, "will make the announcement if and when the appropriate time comes".

Snowden, who is wanted in the United States on espionage charges after revealing details of secret surveillance programs, is believed to be holed up in the transit area at a Moscow airport where he arrived on June 23 from Hong Kong.

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sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
2. Sad, isn't it, that our reputation for the treatment of Whistle Blowers
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 05:13 PM
Jul 2013

and other detainees is so bad, they are now forced to seek asylum in more democratic nations? Just as Chinese dissidents have been forced to do.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
4. Most of the Scandanavian states to begin with.
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 05:23 PM
Jul 2013

And thankfully more and more of the South American countries.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
8. Sweden has a Right Wing PM unfortunately and has deteriorated ever since.
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 11:01 PM
Jul 2013

'Europe's Ronald Reagan' he is known as and Karl Rove was one of his 'advisers' for his campaign. I think the Swedish people were pretty shocked when they found that out. And hopefully they will retrieve their Government before it deteriorates any further, as ours has since the Reagan days.

Assange or anyone else willing to expose the Banksters, as Wikleaks did in Iceland, can never go to Sweden until the Karl Rove administration is gone.

struggle4progress

(118,290 posts)
17. That claim seems arise from the fertile imaginations at Legal Schnauzer
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 11:35 PM
Jul 2013

In late 2008, Amy Goodman had a guest who claimed Rove had gone to Sweden in the summer of 2008 to help dismantle the welfare state:

Bush, Rove Tied to Effort to Dismantle Sweden’s Social Welfare Program
TUESDAY, DECEMBER 9, 2008
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/12/9/bush_rove_tied_to_effort_to


Five years later, the Swedish welfare state has not been disassembled to my knowledge

TUESDAY, DECEMBER 14, 2010
Is Karl Rove Driving the Effort to Prosecute Julian Assange?
http://legalschnauzer.blogspot.com/2010/12/is-karl-rove-driving-effort-to.html

Legal Schnauzer in late 2010 used the 2008 Goodman interview as the only actual "evidence" in its speculation that Rove was behind the Assange prosecution. Unfortunately, Legal Schnauzer badly garbled the facts, and treated the Goodman interview as TWO interviews, one in 2008 and another in 2009. This suggests a rather sad inattention to detail -- and it suggests that Legal Schnauzer is not particularly attentive or careful in its readings

And, of course, it would have been astonishingly prescient of Mr Rove to visit Sweden in the summer of 2008, anticipating that Mr Assange would be in Sweden in the summer of 2010. But in fact the 2008 Goodman interview doesn't mention Assange at all

Rove did briefly visit the RW Timbro Think Tank in Sweden in the summer of 2008. His visit was covered by Sweden's TV-4. Before that, he seems to have visited briefly in the 1980s:

... Timbro has invited one of the America's leading strategists and campaigners, Karl Rove, to this year's political week in Almedalen. We face an historic presidential election in the United States and interest is huge in Sweden. Just a Newsweek, Wall Street Journal and Fox News Channel regard Karl Rove as a valued expert commentator, we put a high value on his insights and perspectives on American politics, says Billy McCormac, Communications Timbro. Karl Rove will speak at an event in Visby ...
Karl Rove gästar Almedalen 2008
12 JUNI, 2008
http://timbro.se/artiklar/karl-rove-gastar-almedalen-2008

... From Per Heister, former CIO of the Conservatives, I learned that Rove was here for "one or two days" in the early 1980s, to teach the Conservatives about fundraising, one of Rove's specialties. Per Heister sounds almost amused by our brief conversation.
-What are your malicious plans with this information? I think I know who you are, he asks.
No plans at all, is my answer ...

2005-02-04
Vad gjorde Karl Rove hos moderaterna?
http://www.aftonbladet.se/ledare/fredagmed/article263312.ab;jsessionid=18DDC39A6395DE3460E75BE7E83092B5.mobila

 

railsback

(1,881 posts)
6. No argument about Scandinavian countries - I'd say a majority wouldn't mind living there
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 05:59 PM
Jul 2013

But most of the Latin countries are way down the list. On average, Ecuador - 68, Brazil - 50, Nicaragua - 86, Bolivia - 59, Venezuela - 134. Uruguay ranks highest with 17. We average 12, but that certainly would go higher without Republicans mucking everything up.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
9. South American countries have finally overthrown most of their Western/US backed
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 11:05 PM
Jul 2013

Dictators over the past decades while we were busy in the ME. The progress they've made overcoming the results of decades of oppression, mostly with the help of the US is simply amazing.

Young unemployed Spanish workers are now immigrating to Venezuela and other S.Amer. countries rather than coming here, as Europeans used to do.

Iow, South America is on the rise as far as Democracy goes, women in Ven. eg, have equal rights, unlike here, while this democracy is sadly on the decline.

 

railsback

(1,881 posts)
12. Well, since Venezuela doesn't allow any foreign monitoring of their 'human rights'
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 11:15 PM
Jul 2013

and prosecutes any defenders inside the country if they receive foreign aid (up to 15 years in prison), and doesn't allow the public access to information held by the government, I'd say your revelation is based purely on speculation.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
14. Karl Rove's candidate would love to silence Wikileaks if he could. He has been outsmarted
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 11:20 PM
Jul 2013

though and Sweden's judicial system has been thoroughly shamed in front of the world. No charges, no case, it was all a smear job as everyone now knows. I wonder which Private 'Security' Corporation they hired to do it? HB Gary, Booz Allen? They're not very good at what they do considering the billions of our tax dollars they get.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
10. Everyone else has not said no. He has had three offers so far, with
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 11:06 PM
Jul 2013

movements in Iceland and Ireland also to grant him asylum. He has choices now so he may not jump at the first offer.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
15. The deadline was to make a decision. He may very well have made the decision, but
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 11:22 PM
Jul 2013

is working out the details before it is made official and announced. If I were him, I'd want to be safe in the country before I made anything public.

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