The FBI Again Thwarts Its Own Terror Plot

[Luminous Animal]

http://www.salon.com/2011/09/29/fbi_terror/

The FBI has received substantial criticism over the past decade — much of it valid — but nobody can deny its record of excellence in thwarting its own Terrorist plots. Time and again, the FBI concocts a Terrorist attack, infiltrates Muslim communities in order to find recruits, persuades them to perpetrate the attack, supplies them with the money, weapons and know-how they need to carry it out — only to heroically jump in at the last moment, arrest the would-be perpetrators whom the FBI converted, and save a grateful nation from the plot manufactured by the FBI.

[CAPHAVOC]

1. I doubt that is true.

I doubt the FBI would do that. If they did the person could use the entrapment defense.

[EFerrari]

3. LOL, because we all can afford lawyers who can battle the Feds.

Sure.

They're thugs with badges.

[CAPHAVOC]

4. The entrapment law is pretty clear. I think.

I doubt they would cross the line in a high profile case. If they did they will look stupid.

[leveymg]

11. Entrapment defense is useless if the gov't can show "predisposition"

In terrorism cases, that comes down to any admissible statement of inclination to harm, loosely defined. The inducement element (compelling or bribing a target to follow through with a crime) is easy to avoid - FBI agents go to school to learn the rules of these things.

See, "The Political Economy of Entrapment": http://law.bepress.com/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1034&context=uiuclwps&sei-redir=1&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Furl%3Fsa%3Dt%26rct%3Dj%26q%3Dentrapment%2520principle%26source%3Dweb%26cd%3D3%26ved%3D0CDQQFjAC%26url%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Flaw.bepress.com%252Fcgi%252Fviewcontent.cgi%253Farticle%253D1034%2526context%253Duiuclwps%26ei%3D8KA_T_XRHIT02QXZ3OyVCA%26usg%3DAFQjCNEsWaPX_fXGlIr1rCSqsJcNFwDspQ#search=%22entrapment%20principle%22

[CAPHAVOC]

12. TX

[CAPHAVOC]

13. Classmate

I have a classmate. Black guy. He was sitting in a friends car double parked. A Cop came up and made him move the car. Ordered him to get behind the wheel and park it. He had been sitting in the passenger seat. Once he moved the car he got back in the passenger seat. The Cop then asked for his license. His had been suspended. The Cop arrested and jailed him. When it got to court the Judge threw it out.
I am thinking of doing a research paper on this.
Thanks for the help. I am saving the paper you referenced.

[leveymg]

24. The Judge did the right thing, but could have ruled the other way, IMHO.

Good luck with your paper.

[truth2power]

16. +1 n/t

[lunatica]

6. You don't get a defense with the Patriot Act and being labelled a terrorist by the President

And the article states quite plainly that the FBI did just that.

[CAPHAVOC]

7. OK

I was not thinking about that. This is bad news. I have not checked out the Patriot Act. I will check the case out. I am just starting to get involved with studying to help with a forthcoming wrongful convictions clinic. Although if it is law the only recourse is to get it overturned or changed. The FBI may have followed the law even if it is unjust. They are mostly very professional and know what they are doing. Of course there are always exceptions. BTW I am not in favor of the Patriot Act, TSA, or DHS. I always thought it should have been the FBI to work these areas. Under already existing law.

[truth2power]

17. Are you a law student? Just curious. n/t

[CAPHAVOC]

18. Studying for Paralegal BAS

[just1voice]

2. I just saw the story on local D.C. news, you are 100% correct

As you said, The FBI "infiltrates Muslim communities in order to find recruits, persuades them to perpetrate the attack, supplies them with the money, weapons and know-how they need to carry it out — only to heroically jump in at the last moment, arrest the would-be perpetrators whom the FBI converted, and save a grateful nation from the plot manufactured by the FBI." -- That is exactly what happened in this case.

They found this guy, persuaded and enabled him for a year, pretended to give him explosives then arrested him.

[CAPHAVOC]

5. Whoa!

If true not good. Are you sure?

[dixiegrrrrl]

8. They have done this numerous times.

Do a little research on "terrorist" arrests in the USA over the last 5 years.

Here:
This is but the latest in a string of national terror plots carried out from start to finish by the FBI, who has made a business of approaching likely candidates and grooming them to carry out terror attacks. In September 2011, another FBI terror operation targeting the Capitol was "foiled," http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/09/boston-fbi-thwarts-own-rc-bomb.html involving a patsy who believed he was to take part in an assault that would involve multiple gunmen and even a drone bomber provided to him by the FBI. And perhaps the most dubious of all, was the December 2010 Portland "Christmas Tree Bomber," http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2010/12/problem-reaction-solution.html who was also approached by the FBI, provided demolition training, including a demonstration with live explosives performed in a Lincoln County park, and a van within which the patsy believed his handlers had provided him a bomb. The van with the inert device was parked next to a crowded Christmas tree lighting ceremony where the patsy attempted to detonate it remotely before being arrested by FBI agents.

It would later turn out that Portland had heroically withdrew from the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force, (JTTF), with the operation then being carried out behind Portland Mayor Sam Adam's back only for its conclusion to humiliatingly catch the mayor off guard. The city of Portland would eventually rejoin the JTTF after the fallout from the FBI's own terror plot. The FBI is carrying out what is essentially a campaign of entrapment fueling what alternative news outlet Media Monarchy appropriately calls "terronoia." http://mediamonarchy.blogspot.com/2010/11/portland-tree-bomber-plot-brings.html And while it is true that these incidents are being used to foment a climate of fear to justify the ongoing "War on Terror," http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/09/war-on-terror-is-fraud.html there is a more sinister implication readers must be aware of.

In 1993 the FBI was carrying out an identical "sting operation" in New York City. The target was the World Trade Center, the weapon of choice would be a bomb-laden van, that like the above mentioned attacks, was supposed to contain an inert device. Helping the FBI was an Egyptian informant, Emad Salem, who over the course of the investigation grew suspicious of the federal agents and began recording his phone conversations with them. From these recordings released by the New York Times, http://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/28/nyregion/tapes-depict-proposal-to-thwart-bomb-used-in-trade-center-blast.html it turns out that the FBI switched out the inert device for real explosives at the last moment resulting in an attack that killed 6 and injured over a thousand. Despite this evidence, the 1993 bombing is still to this day attributed to "terrorists" with the FBI's involvement muted if ever mentioned.

[CAPHAVOC]

14. Thank You. For the information.

I am saving it for reference. Since getting involved in this project I am overwhelmed. But very excited to be doing it. I hope to make a difference. No matter how small. I am going to concentrate on Capital cases to start but am amazed at the positive responses everyone has when they find out what I want to do.

[Luminous Animal]

20. Thank you for this!

[dixiegrrrrl]

23. You both are welcome.

A simple google ( or the search engine of your choice) will bring up LOTS of "terrorist" arrests in the USA which turned out to be FBI sponsored.

[truth2power]

15. Read the article. It's a joke...

Alleged Suicide Bomber Arrested in DC

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Alleged-Suicide-Bomber-Arrested-in-DC-139527143.html

[cbrer]

9. Research First WTC bombing as well

And find the complicity of the FBI. I know this sounds like wingnut conspiracy theory. READ, and research. Facts are hard to dispute.

[napoleon_in_rags]

10. Scary if true

The whole pattern of the holocaust was that people were identified based on being unlikely to be miltant, unlikely to fight: intellectuals, jews, gays, disabled. Then this conspiracy narrative was woven, with things like "protocols" of zion which framed those people as being the secret despotic rulers of the earth. Then the nazi "knight" was supposed to be seen as having vanquished this dark "dragon", so they were supposed to be respected.

But FDR saw through it, they didnt slay a mighty dragon, they murdered a bunch of peaceful people, so they werent knights or warriors at all, they were pathetic. He used the term "call their bluff" because of it, he saw they were relying on illusion, and with firm resistance they would therefore be crushed, and they were.

But not before many rolled over and many innocents died at the hands of these fake "knights". Thats why anybody should be wary of a force slaying its own fake dragons, just the history alone.

[woo me with science]

19. Of course it does.

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[truth2power]

21. FBI's own terror plot. Correct....

I would imagine that the Israelis, for one, are masters at creating a profile of someone likely to perpetrate a successful terrorist attack. So, what would that person look like?

JMO, but likely that person would be of above average intelligence, savy (possessing street smarts), focused and organized, and knowledgeable about explosives and firearms. Likely they could take a gun apart and alter it in a way that better serves their needs.

IMO they'd have a specific grievance that could be articulated. Not just "I hate America's freedoms". Just off the top of my head.

Now, look at the most recent "terrorists". Al Qaeda is supposed to be so powerful that they pose an existential threat to the entire US, yet they put their trust in some poor schlump who couldn't even manage to set his gonads on fire.

I think that if al Qaeda (to the extent they exist at all) wanted to take down an aircraft they'd do it. All the groping and scanning notwithstanding.

And this recent individual who couldn't decide what he wanted to blow up; a synagogue? a military facility? a restaurant fercrissakes?

Then the FBI GIVES him the (fake) bomb, the (fake) gun and DRIVES him to the attack site. What didn't they do for him?

BS. All of it.

[raouldukelives]

22. Then they pat themselves on the back

Hand out medals and a bonus. All in a days work keeping America safe from itself.