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LaydeeBug

(10,291 posts)
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:29 PM Jul 2013

In 2016, I will support the DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE, completely and without reservation,

because not doing so would make something much, much worse inevitable.

And I will support whoever that is so that the ulterior doesn't happen because ANY Democrat is better than EVERY Republican. Best believe that.

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In 2016, I will support the DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE, completely and without reservation, (Original Post) LaydeeBug Jul 2013 OP
Uh, yep. yesphan Jul 2013 #1
^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^ pkdu Jul 2013 #2
fortunately there are primaries. Some of us also live in states where cali Jul 2013 #3
I hope so this site is called Democratic Underground olddots Jul 2013 #4
They are all bad guys Bully Taw Jul 2013 #47
Term Limits has been one of the biggest mistakes made thelordofhell Jul 2013 #54
really? DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #75
how very... Bully Taw Jul 2013 #106
Term limits are a disaster. mac56 Jul 2013 #59
the D's or the R's are not the same and usually the ones saying that are not Democrats. TeamPooka Jul 2013 #65
you're right. I'm not a democrat. I'm an independent. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #68
people that say they arent the same... Bully Taw Jul 2013 #104
i support democratic and progressive ideals Bully Taw Jul 2013 #105
We have term limits....... TinkerTot55 Jul 2013 #70
Exactly. The republican base fights to get the most conservative candidate. We can fight for pampango Jul 2013 #61
This truly goes without saying. Blackford Jul 2013 #5
No kidding, and yet... Blanks Jul 2013 #29
Here...me... tosh Jul 2013 #6
AGREED! and it's all about the SCOTUS! bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #7
Of course. zappaman Jul 2013 #8
That's what real Democratic Party members do. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #9
luckily I'm not a Democratic Party memeber, so I don't have to swear a blood oath. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #20
I'm not either, and I don't swear oaths of this sort. But riqster Jul 2013 #36
Agreed Just Saying Jul 2013 #58
GOTV is all we can do. riqster Jul 2013 #74
So you won't even vote *against* the Republican candidate? nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #78
its just a wee bit early for this quinnox Jul 2013 #10
Of course, so they can disregard you when elected. Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #11
Electoral math in our country is Binary riqster Jul 2013 #12
If that's the case, then our vote means absolutely nothing. Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #13
Actually, they mean a lot. riqster Jul 2013 #16
No, according to your binary rule ... Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #22
There is always a choice. riqster Jul 2013 #23
Who's applying the purity test? Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #24
I would say there is another alternative: riqster Jul 2013 #30
Funny how it's never those who voted R who are blamed. magellan Jul 2013 #84
Those who vote R aren't likely to be here, so why address them here? riqster Jul 2013 #87
There aren't many Repubs in the UK either. magellan Jul 2013 #88
Wrong. Let me explain basic math to you riqster Jul 2013 #91
Gee thanks magellan Jul 2013 #96
I'd suggest you're not any more tolerant or polite than I. riqster Jul 2013 #98
Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #32
So, you're going to rape me Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #41
Yep. If they don't represent my interests they don't get my vote. GoneFishin Jul 2013 #55
Agreed. Not voting is just as effective in influencing politicians as voting is. Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #57
Dude, look at who you are addressing. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #94
As will I. MineralMan Jul 2013 #14
"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, you may may cherish the sweetest reflection Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #15
Please see Post 30. riqster Jul 2013 #33
Or, vice versa. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #35
Interesting question. riqster Jul 2013 #37
Your “vote” … 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #92
So, you did vote for your principles. Didn't you? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #95
I guess I did ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #103
Exactly! Are purists paying attention?!?! ecstatic Jul 2013 #17
what can I do about what's unfolding in TX, NC, etc? cali Jul 2013 #27
Another content-free loyalty thread! woo me with science Jul 2013 #18
I'll support the democratic nominee if the democratic nominee is a liberal. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #19
+1 Phlem Jul 2013 #69
I've been doing that for 50 years, and I just can't do it anymore. 1-Old-Man Jul 2013 #21
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #25
so will i. nt DesertFlower Jul 2013 #26
Vote Progressive in the primaries, vote Democratic in the general election. DinahMoeHum Jul 2013 #28
Bingo. riqster Jul 2013 #34
I always do NoPasaran Jul 2013 #31
Is it very bad times that we have to take whatever movonne Jul 2013 #38
If Cheney declares himself to be a Democrat (D) and is nominated, would you support him? AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #39
Okay Crow73 Jul 2013 #40
if Rand Paul switches parties, he will NEVER get the 2016 nomination. nt LaydeeBug Jul 2013 #46
And what if an eagle flies overhead and drops an anvil on top of me? mac56 Jul 2013 #66
I will likely support the Democratic Party's nominee with some reservation MNBrewer Jul 2013 #42
...and now, the Democratic Party theaocp Jul 2013 #43
"because not doing so would make something much, much worse inevitable." That was the reason we jtuck004 Jul 2013 #44
Something much worse is happening anyway. raindaddy Jul 2013 #45
Of course, by promising unqualified support for the Democratic nominee Maedhros Jul 2013 #48
Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #50
If you disagree with my position, address it. Maedhros Jul 2013 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author Herlong Jul 2013 #53
That is was I demand from the grassroots. Herlong Jul 2013 #56
A Democrat won the White House! Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #63
In a democracy, it's better that the politicians respond to the demands of the electorate Maedhros Jul 2013 #76
I was threatened with rape upthread for holding the same position as yours. Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #60
Skinner just banned this member, Herlong, thank god! NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #107
AND I"LL FIGHT TO GET HIM/HER ELECTED Herlong Jul 2013 #49
ME TOO! nt LaydeeBug Jul 2013 #72
Of course, because any Democrat is better than every Republican mountain grammy Jul 2013 #52
Is there really another option? Just Saying Jul 2013 #62
Damn straight, I am one with you LaydeeBug! K&R Rebellious Republican Jul 2013 #64
I'll support my cat's furry asshole before I'd vote for a Repub. n/t Lil Missy Jul 2013 #67
Hard to believe we even have to make posts like this on a site like this. DCBob Jul 2013 #71
+1. They've become consumed with a libertarian agenda. Meanwhile, the shit that's happening... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #77
We definitely do not need another repeat of 2000. DCBob Jul 2013 #83
"Hope springs eternal". Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #85
Support as in vote, yes. Support as in volunteer or donate, maybe. Jim Lane Jul 2013 #73
Not voting doesn't make you special or superior. nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #79
As I've done since 1976...Anything else is unthinkable.... Rowdyboy Jul 2013 #80
+1 nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #100
this is why the Democrats can ignore their base and the Republicans have to appease their base Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #81
"The Democratic Party loathes its base". Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #86
that's okay I'm gone. I am done with the abuse. I have joined my husband in being an independent. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #102
P.S. And let us all give said nominee a Dem. majority in both Houses. Jamaal510 Jul 2013 #82
^^^THIS^^^ nt LaydeeBug Jul 2013 #93
Same here -- unless DavidDvorkin Jul 2013 #89
I will never ever vote for a republicon, ever madokie Jul 2013 #90
Hell yes. Becaue I am a Democrat like; arely staircase Jul 2013 #97
I will support the nominee, of course, as usual since 1976 steve2470 Jul 2013 #99
In 2014 and beyond... dtom67 Jul 2013 #101
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
3. fortunately there are primaries. Some of us also live in states where
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:35 PM
Jul 2013

we aren't compelled to vote while holding our noises. I agree, however, that any dem is better than every repub.

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
4. I hope so this site is called Democratic Underground
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:37 PM
Jul 2013

remember Democrats can be bad guys too so we must not give up our ideals .

 

Bully Taw

(194 posts)
47. They are all bad guys
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 05:01 PM
Jul 2013

Neither the D's or the R's in office currently give a crap about the average citizen. They are all taking care of their own special interests. That is what happens when people are in office for their entire adult lives; Corruption.

Term limits!!!!

mac56

(17,582 posts)
59. Term limits are a disaster.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 05:24 PM
Jul 2013

It's a feel-good solution that actually worsens the "problem" it's supposed to fix.

 

Bully Taw

(194 posts)
105. i support democratic and progressive ideals
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:25 PM
Jul 2013

I don't always get the feeling that our elected democrats do the same, though.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
61. Exactly. The republican base fights to get the most conservative candidate. We can fight for
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 05:25 PM
Jul 2013

the most liberal. After the primary, it's Democratic all the way.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
8. Of course.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:39 PM
Jul 2013

I see some on this board saying elections don't matter and both parties are the same, but I disagree.
SCOTUS, for example, is a HUGE reason not to let a Republican into the driver's seat.

And it's sad this has to be said on a site called DEMOCRATIC Underground, but that's the state of things around here lately.

 

AllINeedIsCoffee

(772 posts)
9. That's what real Democratic Party members do.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:40 PM
Jul 2013

Even if they live in states that would never in a million years swing red.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
36. I'm not either, and I don't swear oaths of this sort. But
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 04:35 PM
Jul 2013

I will vote AGAINST every single god-damned, motherfucking "Republican" I can.

I don't care if the Dems run a cheese log against a Reep, I'll vote for that cheese log.

Ohio is now a one-party Hell under Republican occupation. If a few more people had voted Dem, much harm could have been avoided.

Just Saying

(1,799 posts)
58. Agreed
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 05:22 PM
Jul 2013

They gerrymandered our state to the point where the people in the corn fields have way more power than in the population bases (Cleveland, Cincinnati, Columbus, Dayton).

So how do we get rid of them?

riqster

(13,986 posts)
74. GOTV is all we can do.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 06:03 PM
Jul 2013

Same as we've done before. Register new voters and get them to the polls,

With enough voters, most election rigging techniques do not work, and it makes it possible to at least stop the Reeps some of the time.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
78. So you won't even vote *against* the Republican candidate?
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 07:20 PM
Jul 2013

That's what I did last year, in spite of all my qualms about Obama.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
10. its just a wee bit early for this
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:40 PM
Jul 2013

kind of thing. Maybe when we get in the year 2016, we can get the daily and weekly oaths and so on, as usual.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
11. Of course, so they can disregard you when elected.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:59 PM
Jul 2013

Blind allegiance provides no incentive to do the right thing.

I'm aware that my opinion is not popular, but if the Democratic nominee doesn't represent my interests, I will not vote. It, of course, goes without saying that I will not vote for a Republican.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
12. Electoral math in our country is Binary
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:05 PM
Jul 2013

That means your NOT voting for the Dem turns into a vote FOR the Reep.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
13. If that's the case, then our vote means absolutely nothing.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:08 PM
Jul 2013

I'm just entertaining your assertion, however.

By keeping my vote, I am sending a message. My vote isn't a given so that the party can do whatever it wants. My vote has to be earned.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
16. Actually, they mean a lot.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:18 PM
Jul 2013

300 votes in Florida would have kept Bush from stealing the White House. Far more than 300 people withheld their votes, or cast them for protest candidates.

That is what "keeping your vote" means.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
22. No, according to your binary rule ...
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:45 PM
Jul 2013

... it means nothing. Especially, if one part of that binary behaves and enacts policies very similar to the other part of that binary.

No choice, no vote.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
23. There is always a choice.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:58 PM
Jul 2013

If someone chooses to hold dear to their ideals no matter what else, and thousands of people died as a result of their purity, was that person really pure? Or was he or she just an insular, echo-chamber-dwelling that failed to realize that they were part of a greater whole, and that their actions had consequences as a result?

THAT is what the "pure people" did in 2000. They withheld their votes as a gesture of their ideological purity, and as a result people died in Iraq, New York, Afghanistan and elsewhere.

Those withheld votes didn't "mean nothing". Those choices meant dead people.

"Elections have consequences". And so do our actions during those elections.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
24. Who's applying the purity test?
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 04:00 PM
Jul 2013

Vote Democratic or else!

Or my withholding my vote for someone who represents my interests?

I think the answer is clear.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
30. I would say there is another alternative:
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 04:25 PM
Jul 2013
Using your vote to prevent greater harm. If you choose not to do so, you enable that greater harm: or, at least, do nothing to stop it from happening.

From your statements in this exchange, it sounds as though your decision tree is very narrowly focused on yourself, your ideology, and how you will feel about your vote.

My decision tree has more branches than that. I would LIKE a candidate who represents my interests, but I will settle for one that can at least not increase the devastation caused by the "Republican Party".

Here's another stat: 8 votes. That is how many votes it took last election to turn Ohio into a completely one-party state, where the Reeps are running wild, starving the poor, oppressing the women, fattening the rich and destroying the environment.

The whole "no difference, no choice" canard falls apart: because, you see, it WAS DIFFERENT when the Dems could at least slow the Reeps down. Now, it's ALEC, Koch and Co. with no brakes on the train. It is worse when the Reeps can do whatever they damned well wish.

It IS WORSE now than it was before. Quantitatively. And it is worse because a mere 8 voters didn't cast a ballot for a single Dem in a single State House district.

Had eight people dragged themselves to the polls and voted for a Dem, much harm could have been averted. But they didn't. So now poor people are being harmed. Women are being harmed. Disabled people are being harmed.

And they are being harmed because people like you said what you say, and acted as you propose we act.

But hey, don't let the cries of hungry children, the groans of the elderly, or the cries of women dying because they lost their health care to a one-party Reep government disturb you in your tower of purity. Because what matters the suffering of the people when you have made that ever-so-pure choice?

magellan

(13,257 posts)
84. Funny how it's never those who voted R who are blamed.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 08:34 PM
Jul 2013

The only time Repub voters were held to account it was done by the foreign press:



No one is responsible for putting Repubs in office except those who vote for them. You can whine all day long about people who refuse to hold their nose or are so fed up with the whole rotten show they've disengaged, but your anger isn't going to move them. I've lived through a few elections on DU and even though I knew I was voting Dem come what may, the proselytizing and browbeating that's done here was a huge turnoff. If I hadn't already made up my mind, it would have made me withhold my vote completely.

Maybe some votes were lost because of the disturbing behavior on DU.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
87. Those who vote R aren't likely to be here, so why address them here?
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 08:45 PM
Jul 2013

And anybody who would help Reeps win by stamping their widdle feet and going home to sulk because their pwecious widdle feewings got aww huwted is not somebody I'd trust in any case.

magellan

(13,257 posts)
88. There aren't many Repubs in the UK either.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 08:52 PM
Jul 2013

As for helping the other side, if that were the intent they would vote R. And if you don't trust them in any case then quit bitching.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
91. Wrong. Let me explain basic math to you
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 09:09 PM
Jul 2013

American elections are binary. Whichever side gets more votes wins. There are two ways to get more votes:

Have more of your side turn out to vote;

Depress turnout on the other side.

A lot of people in the center and on the left are susceptible to the second approach. So I call it out when I see it.

And if you don't care for what I have to say, feel free to ignore me.

magellan

(13,257 posts)
96. Gee thanks
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 09:40 PM
Jul 2013

If it weren't for you I wouldn't understand how it works.

How about I explain something basic to you. Your condescension and thuggish attitude are about as attractive as dog shit wrapped with a ribbon. It's unpleasant...and ironically representative of the New Dems and how they treat anyone who doesn't like what they do.

I don't need to ignore you. I simply no longer have any respect for you.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
98. I'd suggest you're not any more tolerant or polite than I.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 10:02 PM
Jul 2013

And I care nothing for your attitude towards me. All I care about is that America not turn back to the Right.

There are many others who can use honeyed words. They have their audiences.

Others need a brick upside the head. They are my audience.

And if I lose the respect of every person on Earth, but just enough people hear me and get out and vote Dem, I'm OK with that.

Response to Fantastic Anarchist (Reply #11)

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
55. Yep. If they don't represent my interests they don't get my vote.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 05:16 PM
Jul 2013

If they don't earn my vote then they don't get my vote. If that dynamic produces unfortunate side effects, too bad.

If people don't ever register their disgust with the system then it will never change. As long as they can reliably and predictably strong arm us into voting for their 1% approved candidates the system will stay the same for ever.

If change ever occurs it will be inspired by those of us that refuse to be manipulated into voting for the terrible over the horrendous.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
57. Agreed. Not voting is just as effective in influencing politicians as voting is.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 05:22 PM
Jul 2013

You want my vote? Earn it.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
94. Dude, look at who you are addressing.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 09:22 PM
Jul 2013

They're freaking out, in a state of sheer panic over their leader's decision to show his true colors. Right now, at this very moment, the entire east coast chapter of the Democratic Faithful club are making sacrifices to whatever fantasy they subscribe to, that the republicans will continue to put forth another full card of clown car morons so that they can have some hope of retaining any relevance.

Have pity on the poor suckers, they bet the farm on a bunch of con artists and their entire sense of self worth is riding on not being completely embarrassed next year.

MineralMan

(146,533 posts)
14. As will I.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:13 PM
Jul 2013

Regardless of who I may support during the primaries, I will campaign for and vote for the Democratic candidate in the General Election. Period.

In the meantime, I'll be working on the 2014 election. We won't have any actual candidates for the Presidency until that is over. Then, we can start the debate.

GOTV 2014!

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
15. "Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, you may may cherish the sweetest reflection
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:16 PM
Jul 2013
"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." John Quincy Adams

riqster

(13,986 posts)
33. Please see Post 30.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 04:28 PM
Jul 2013

A sweet reflection for you just might lead to horrible anguish for others of our fellow human beings.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
35. Or, vice versa.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 04:30 PM
Jul 2013

Aren't you voting your principles when you vote? That is, if your principles are to vote for the "lesser of two evils"?

riqster

(13,986 posts)
37. Interesting question.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 04:38 PM
Jul 2013

Thanks, it's something to ponder. I shall do so.

However, I'd phrase it as "first of all, do no harm" as opposed to "the lesser of two evils".

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
92. Your “vote” …
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 09:12 PM
Jul 2013

May not be lost; but the election and all the things that come with the election’s result, e.g., SCOTUS appointments, Congressional leadership and Chairs, etc., might be though.

So the question one must ask oneself is: “Would I rather get some of what I want, or everything I don’t want.

Now to make it real … I wanted a single payer healthcare system (or, failing that, a public option). If I had voted my principle, I could have gone to bed at night knowing that I had done the principled thing; but I would also would have had to try and sleep knowing that all the people that I know that had pre-existing conditions (that are now insurable) would have continued to be uninsurable; but I’m sure my principles would have rocked me to sleep … I would have had to sleep with the knowledge that a 10 year old juvenile cancer surviving family aquaintence, that hit her “life-time” pay-out limit at age 4, would be looking at living another 70+ years without insurance coverage; but again, I’m sure my principles would have rocked me to sleep. I can point to hundreds of instances where I have acted on my humanity and concern for others, rather than stood by my principles …. And each time, I slept well at night.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
103. I guess I did ...
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 09:42 AM
Jul 2013

Thanks for helping me clarify that on a couple of levels ... the Me vs. the Us; the Real vs the Dream. I voted for my/the highest principle ... survival (for myself and others) in real life; rather than, fidelity to some abstract dream.

ecstatic

(33,152 posts)
17. Exactly! Are purists paying attention?!?!
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:19 PM
Jul 2013

Are they watching what's unfolding in Texas, North Carolina, the list goes on and on... We have more than one issue to worry about!! Why are some people so quick to forget history?!!! It's infuriating!

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
27. what can I do about what's unfolding in TX, NC, etc?
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 04:10 PM
Jul 2013

What difference to what's going on, has having a dem president made? And I'm all for having a dem president. But tell me, why should this "purist" vote for a someone who doesn't reflect my values, when I live in Vermont? What difference will my not voting for Clinton if she's the nominee make? It's not like all the other dems in the state will do the same. Vermont will go for Clinton in a landslide if she's the nom.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
18. Another content-free loyalty thread!
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:23 PM
Jul 2013

Yay!

Meanwhile, our government is still spying on us.

U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court Secrecy Defended By Obama Administration
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/06/us-foreign-intelligence-surveillance-court_n_3552427.html



Phlem

(6,323 posts)
69. +1
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 05:34 PM
Jul 2013

I don't what's going to happen from now till then but you are 100% spot on. I remember his acceptance speech when he said "I'm a new Democrat."

Fuck that shit I want a liberal Democrat, not the "new", third way, lying bullshit Democrats of today. Blue dogs need to go, and "new" Democrats can go to hell.

Perfect title!

-p

Response to LaydeeBug (Original post)

DinahMoeHum

(22,011 posts)
28. Vote Progressive in the primaries, vote Democratic in the general election.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 04:17 PM
Jul 2013

Personally, I'd rather have the candidate be BOTH Progressive and Democratic; but you can't have everything in this life.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
34. Bingo.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 04:30 PM
Jul 2013

I was working for Denny Kooch in the 2008 primaries. After he was out of the running, I voted for Obama in the general election. It was either him or President Fucking Palin.

Easy choice to make.

movonne

(9,623 posts)
38. Is it very bad times that we have to take whatever
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 04:38 PM
Jul 2013

the dems decide to run and support...but I would also be forced to vote for a DEM...(any dem)...

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
39. If Cheney declares himself to be a Democrat (D) and is nominated, would you support him?
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 04:40 PM
Jul 2013

What about Lieberman?

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
44. "because not doing so would make something much, much worse inevitable." That was the reason we
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 04:58 PM
Jul 2013

were given for supporting the criminal behaviour of the banks, which has led to 6 million families being foreclosed on, so investors can then buy up the single most important vehicle for wealth accumulation for most Americans, and rent it back to them, which we as taxpayers continue to pay profits to the now wildly profitable banks at the rate of $40 to $85 billion a month, while the largest chunk of job creation in this, a GOOD month, are from positions that pay $15,000 a year or less.

It no longer persuades me.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
45. Something much worse is happening anyway.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 04:58 PM
Jul 2013

Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and Barrack Obama aren't providing the leadership needed to reverse the corporate takeover of all three branches of government.

I'm only voting for Democratic wing of the Democratic Party!

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
48. Of course, by promising unqualified support for the Democratic nominee
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 05:02 PM
Jul 2013

you are ensuring that he/she will not feel any pressure at all to adopt progressive or even liberal positions, freeing them up to play to the middle/right for votes and to govern from that position.

Liberals and progressives have got to start demanding liberal and progressive policies from our candidates. Kowtowing to the right should have consequences, else it becomes the path of least resistance.

Response to Maedhros (Reply #48)

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
51. If you disagree with my position, address it.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 05:08 PM
Jul 2013

I assume you think it is wrong to demand that Democratic candidates champion liberal/progressive policies?

Response to Maedhros (Reply #51)

 

Herlong

(649 posts)
56. That is was I demand from the grassroots.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 05:19 PM
Jul 2013

I want Democratic candidates to win elections. WIN ELECTIONS!!!! I want them to WIN. I want the rest of us to FIGHT. If it were the other way, Dennis Kucinich would be president.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
63. A Democrat won the White House!
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 05:26 PM
Jul 2013

One that I voted for twice!

And I got Republican policies in return! Wooohooo!

Nope, not next time. If you are a progressive and will enact progressive policies, I will vote for you. Otherwise, I will withhold my vote and influence the party paradigm in that manner.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
76. In a democracy, it's better that the politicians respond to the demands of the electorate
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 06:48 PM
Jul 2013

rather than vice-versa, as you would have it.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
60. I was threatened with rape upthread for holding the same position as yours.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 05:24 PM
Jul 2013

My, the Stalinesque type of arguments are unconvincing.

mountain grammy

(26,872 posts)
52. Of course, because any Democrat is better than every Republican
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 05:08 PM
Jul 2013

and that's a fact. If my Democratic candidate is not all I want him/her to be, I have to suck it up, because it's not all about me. I'm lucky. I'm collecting social security retirement, covered by Medicare, and enjoying life with supplemental retirement income because I had good union jobs and earned a decent living most of my life. Now, opportunities are hard to find. Not everyone's a rock star, an inventor, or an heir. Most people are workers, like I was, and work, these days, is underpaid and underappreciated. Many full time workers couldn't pay the rent without the assistance of SNAP and other programs, and would, literally, die without Medicaid. Republicans would gleefully ditch all those programs.

Right now, we have to not lose what we've gained while we inch forward on many issues, the evil Republicans on the Supreme Court keep taking us backward. The parties are NOT ALIKE!

I have principals and values, just like anyone, but it's not about me. It's about not losing it all while we wait for another FDR or JFK.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
71. Hard to believe we even have to make posts like this on a site like this.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 05:43 PM
Jul 2013

Some on left seem to have forgotten how evil Republicans can be.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,320 posts)
77. +1. They've become consumed with a libertarian agenda. Meanwhile, the shit that's happening...
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 06:52 PM
Jul 2013

in the states is regressively frightening. Things that "liberals" used to hyperventilate about are suddenly a non-plus. Voting rights, Women's rights, Minority rights, Student rights..you name it, the Repukes in these states are attacking those rights. But in chambers like this we're being told that Obama might be listening in on your calls to your favorite sex hotline. It's not only stupid, but it's self defeating.

Some here would like nothing better than a repeat of the 2000 disaster in some vain hope that they'll teach the Democratic party some utopian lesson they've created in their own heads. My only solace is that decisions affecting the outcome of our primaries aren't made in places like LU.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
83. We definitely do not need another repeat of 2000.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 08:30 PM
Jul 2013

Hopefully the confused left comes to their senses before we have any elections.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
73. Support as in vote, yes. Support as in volunteer or donate, maybe.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 06:01 PM
Jul 2013

I take it as given that the Republican nominee for President will be substantially worse than the Democrat. Therefore, I'll vote Democratic.

For my money and time, though, Hillary Clinton (or whoever) isn't competing against Jeb Bush (or whomever). She's competing against the likes of Alan Grayson. I'll be doing more for the national Democratic ticket if it's headed by a genuine progressive.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
79. Not voting doesn't make you special or superior.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 07:29 PM
Jul 2013

You don't get to look down on "those idiots/dupes" while you sit on your fat fucking ass.

Obviously not addressed to the OP...

Rowdyboy

(22,057 posts)
80. As I've done since 1976...Anything else is unthinkable....
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 07:47 PM
Jul 2013

And the worst Democrat nominated during my lifetime TOWERS over the best Republican.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
100. +1
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 10:51 PM
Jul 2013

I mean, ultimately people can do whatever the hell they want, but as much as some might hate the idea of voting for the lesser of two evils, what's the use of making it easier for the greater evil to win?

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
81. this is why the Democrats can ignore their base and the Republicans have to appease their base
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 08:02 PM
Jul 2013

Or as David Frum put it, "The Republican Party fears its base. The Democratic Party loathes its base."

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
102. that's okay I'm gone. I am done with the abuse. I have joined my husband in being an independent.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 12:07 AM
Jul 2013

Eventually those in an abusive relationship leave. Sometimes it takes a long time, and the abuser gets the feeling they can continue doing it with no consequences. I am done being abused by the democratic party.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
82. P.S. And let us all give said nominee a Dem. majority in both Houses.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 08:08 PM
Jul 2013

It is paramount to vote in every single Congressional election. Congress is who gets to change the laws, and the Senate has the ability to allow or block appointees. No more protest voting or sitting out elections.

DavidDvorkin

(19,618 posts)
89. Same here -- unless
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 08:54 PM
Jul 2013

the GOP nominates someone more liberal than the Democratic nominee, and on a liberal platform, accompanied by liberal candidates all the way down the GOP ladder.

Hahahahahahahaha!

madokie

(51,076 posts)
90. I will never ever vote for a republicon, ever
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 08:54 PM
Jul 2013

To be honest it is getting harder with each new revelation on what they're doing for me to remain civil to the ones I know.

I will never ever not vote either

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
97. Hell yes. Becaue I am a Democrat like;
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 10:01 PM
Jul 2013

Obama
Clinton
Carter
LBJ
JFK
HST
FDR

Fuck all the rest.

Go Democrats!

steve2470

(37,461 posts)
99. I will support the nominee, of course, as usual since 1976
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 10:17 PM
Jul 2013

Let's hope we get back the House in 2014 and get at least 60 seats in the Senate.

dtom67

(634 posts)
101. In 2014 and beyond...
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 11:02 PM
Jul 2013

I believe I will start voting for local Dems ONLY, as it seems that the higher the Office, the less responsive politicians are to their constituents.

Sorry, kids.

No matter who we run in 2016 for President, it will surely be a corporate/ Wall street lackey.

Unless
we overturn citizens United and get all that Elite money out of the System.

But I do not see much possibility of that.





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