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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo it looks like the jury was drawn from freerepublic/the gungeon.
So far, there's the one woman called TM a "boy of color" during voir dire and who hates the media but has already landed a book deal, and the other on CNN who said Z seemed like a nice guy, and that she was highly influenced by testimony that the judge explicitly told the jury to ignore.
It's starting to make sense. Maybe this is just a case of six idiots.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)Can you link to the CNN story? I have not heard of her and would be interested in learning more.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)So, hey, maybe it's just one idiot, and the other five are Nobel laureates...
quinnox
(20,600 posts)Apparently, one juror has really embarrassed herself tonight, and seems to have had a crush on Zimmy or something, saying he has a "good heart" and other nonsense.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Did you catch that part? I wonder if high profile cases are just doomed because jurors are always going to be less intelligent and engaged than the average citizen. I found it ironic she questioned Rachel's intelligence. I'd wager Rachel has at least 20 IQ points on that juror.
Boudica the Lyoness
(2,899 posts)Rachel is an idiot!
Skittles
(153,169 posts)left on green only
(1,484 posts)Whenever anyone on this board says the word Rachel all by itself, they are usually patting themselves on the back for thinking how cool they are for using that name in reference to Rachel Maddow, host of The Rachel Maddow Show, on MSNBC.
By the way, I have a sneaking suspicion that Rachel Maddow's IQ is probably at least 20 points higher than 99% of the members of this board, including myself.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Cha
(297,323 posts)gave no clue when being asked questions. Or did the judge pick these women?
"zimmerman seemed like a nice guy".. give me a fooking break.
There was a jury of dumbshits.. just like z.
Spazito
(50,375 posts)for cause during voir dire. I'm a little hazy whether the State used a peremptory challenge and the defense levied a discrimination objection so the State then had to show cause, I think that is how it happened. The defense argued there was no justifiable cause and it was the State's attempt to discriminate against white jurors. The Judge did not accept the State's challenge and the woman/women remained as perspective jurors and at least one was subsequently empaneled.
Cha
(297,323 posts)jury from the get-go.
Spazito
(50,375 posts)it certainly seems it could well have been. Her saying they didn't understand about Manslaughter so the only thing left was not guilty and using the phrase "those people" in reference to Rachel and Trayvon, well, all I can do is and then
Cha
(297,323 posts)had a tv. mahalo, for the reconnaissance, Spaz. Good gawd. Way to parade yourselves around, jury.. so, the world can get a real sense of why you didn't have the sense to put 2 and 2 together.
Spazito
(50,375 posts)he seems to have given her bad advice. She said it was Serino's testimony that Zimmerman was truthful that really hit home with her but the jury was admonished by the Judge to disregard it. She was in Zimmerman's court from day one but blurting out she disregarded the Judges admonishment on the show was beyond stupid but I'm glad she did. It says a lot about her and her agenda throughout the trial, imo.
Cha
(297,323 posts)Snip***
"Detective Serino a 15 year veteran on the force, interviewed George Zimmerman three days after the murder of Trayvon Martin and seemed less than convinced of the neighborhood watchman's story. He pointed out that it was hard to believe Zimmerman was beaten so viciously by Trayvon Martin, if he was able to go to work the next day and not even visit a hospital. He and another officer pointed out that Zimmerman was obviously following Martin, and that his failure of identify himself as Neighborhood Watch might've scared the kid.
Lastly and perhaps most importantly, he pushed back on Zimmerman's characterization of Martin as a "f***ing punk," chastising Zimmerman and pointing out that he'd shot an unarmed kid with candy and iced tea in his pocket. All of Serino's interview, which was put into evidence last week in the trial, is pretty damning and certainly looks like effective police work. That's when things get sticky.
Despite these obvious inconsistencies and questions mere days after the shooting, Det. Serino felt there wasn't enough evidence to arrest, let alone file charges against Zimmerman. This is where the problems start for most observers of this case. A police officer who shoots an unarmed person will automatically get a two week paid suspension while the department investigates--and they're trained law enforcement. Heck, Aaron Hernandez of the New England Patriots was arrested and the cops only had a broken cell phone, broken security camera and some Molly Maids as evidence--and he was a millionaire football player.
The point being, there are hundreds of thousands of cases with much less evidence on the table than the Zimmerman case where people get arrested, even if they are released later. Yet somehow Detective Serino didn't feel like filing charges against Zimmerman even though in his own testimony to the FBI he said Zimmerman had "a little hero complex," and that his story sounded "scripted."
http://www.chicagodefender.com/index.php/news/nation/20845-zimmerman-trial-update-detective-chris-serino-hero-or-villain-of-the-zimmerman-trial
This entire tragedy has been jerked around from the night zimmerman killed Trayvon to these jurors in the case showing their dumbasses on tv.
Spazito
(50,375 posts)defense witness given his testimony. The State had to call him as he was the investigating officer who first interviewed Zimmerman but his testimony was in favor of the defense and markedly so, imo. He came across to me as someone with a BIG chip on his shoulder about the Prosecution.
Cha
(297,323 posts)was paid by the defense to disregard his impressions of zimmerman.. and also he didn't arrest him until there was a backlash..
So, if z were found guilty it would make serino look bad, would it not?
If I have any of that wrong.. I'm sorry. I don't know as much as a lot of you peeps. The part about "being paid by the defense" is just riffing.. I'm sure that didn't happen no matter how that would explain it.
Horse with no Name
(33,956 posts)B76 - Strike by prosecution because she had asked why Martin was out late buying candy. The judge denied the strike.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/20/george-zimmerman-trial_n_3471341.html#988_going-throught-the-list-of-potential-jurors
Spazito
(50,375 posts)thanks for the link, much appreciated.
olddots
(10,237 posts)This is about racism , ignorance and a system that only works for the connected ,it always has been but doesn't always have to be.
npk
(3,660 posts)Maybe one day someone will even make a movie about them "Six clueless Idiots."
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)So it looks like the jury was drawn from freerepublic/the gungeon.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023267596
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malaise
(269,067 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)A young man is dead, children keep dying from gun violence, and they continue to feel sorry for themselves.
malaise
(269,067 posts)Someone said earlier tonight that in their sick minds Trayvon was the guilty party.
Too sad.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)I've had conversations with some that said as much. They are now worrying about Zimmerman rather than his next victim, or his last.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)playing the victim card
BanzaiBonnie
(3,621 posts)That's what I've taught my family to watch for. Sociopaths leave ashes in their wake.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Cha
(297,323 posts)Juror #6 and you're it! Mahalo
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)burnodo
(2,017 posts)is that why they need guns?
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Abolishing the jury system?
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)In other words, if you're the defense, you want a jury who you think may give you the outcome you want based on demographics (class, race, gender, etc.) and/or past experiences.
There were at least 2 jurors on this jury with demonstrated biases.
My biggest problem, however, is that the prosecution didn't seem to fight for a jury that represented the demographics of Sanford, Florida.
Population: 30% black, 20% Hispanic, 48% white.
I cannot believe or accept that the defense and State attorneys couldn't find one black, one male, or a more diverse jury.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Thanks for explaining what it meant.
X
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)...the state average. I posted on this earlier:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023268492
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)lower on the evolutionary scale.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)octoberlib
(14,971 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)animato
(153 posts)I want to research this and can use that term.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Skip to the Legal proceedings part of this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greensboro_Massacre
Also this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-white_jury
Hugabear
(10,340 posts)They're one and the same. Pretty sure some of them have freeper accounts
rl6214
(8,142 posts)I was banned after one post.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)And that those who say otherwise are being "emotional."
Of course, as it turns out, the jury seems to have been packed with racist morons, and apart from their own bizarre emotional investments, they didn't even seem to execute the simple instructions given to them by the judge.
Of course, now that the Zimmerman supporters' first attempt to disguise their nonsense as "objective law" and "reasonableness" is collapsing like the house of cards it always was, we'll soon be hearing about how smart the defense was to pick such racist imbeciles for the jury, and how poor the prosecution was to allow it, ahem. Anything but admit the obvious: this event and trial has been the the throbbing symptom of systemic racism from top to bottom, with the Zim Supporters thick in the middle of that particular pustule.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Summer of 1978. My family was on a carriage at Disney World. A young kid came alongside the carriage, and my dad helped him get on. (Large horse lumbering along; easy enough for the child to walk along and get our support to have him join us.)
Next thing we know the carriage driver turns around, and as the kid is thanking my dad, the guy grabs the child by his collar and tosses him out on the ground. The kid was quite agile, and landed solidly on both feet. He didn't seem surprised at all about what happened to him.
My family sat there in shock. The driver turned to us and said, "Sorry for him bothering y'all."
We were struck dumb. It was a kid. A kid at Disney World. Okay, so it was a black kid, but it was 1978, not 1778. What The Fuck?
We got of the carriage long before our destination.
I realized years later we should have called and complained about this, but it was so far beyond the ken - so surreal. Not that Chicago was perfect, but people at amusement parks didn't toss kids around like they were bundles of hay or something. In fact, in Chi Town's ball parks, people of all races and different social classes interacted with each other, as though the World was one big happy family.
I have never been back to Florida. People say it has changed, but now this. I have been to thirty of the states in the USA, and six foreign nations, but I will never go back to Florida. Ever.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)one of the key principles of the left seems to be - there are two kinds of people in the world, those who agree with me, and idiots.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)Well, these are the "Sanford Wives."
BTW, Piers Morgan is interviewing Rachel Jentel!
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)And both juries went on TV and showed us why such an atrocity was allowed to happen. They opened their mouths.
rightsideout
(978 posts)Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)She based her decision on the "Expert Doctor" who was a Vietnam Vet.
This clueless wonder conflated the testimony of two different witnesses and ascribed "expert medical witness" to testimony that the judge explicitly told the jurors to disregard.
Way to showcase your stupidity, "Miss Florida"
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)Stunning doesn't even describe it.