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kpete

(72,014 posts)
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 09:32 AM Jul 2013

Utah lawmaker calls for end of compulsory education

Utah lawmaker calls for end of compulsory education
"Let’s let them choose it, let’s not force them to do it," he said. "I think that’s when you start seeing the shift."
By Benjamin Wood, Deseret News
Published: Tuesday, July 16 2013 10:47 a.m. MDT

SALT LAKE CITY — Compulsory education laws have resulted in parents disengaging themselves from the responsibility to oversee the education of their children and have caused schools to falter under the burden of being all things to all people.

Those points are among the arguments made by Sen. Aaron Osmond, R-South Jordan, in an article posted Friday on the blog of the Utah State Senate, in which Osmond called for the end of compulsory education in the state.

"Some parents act as if the responsibility to educate, and even care for their child, is primarily the responsibility of the public school system," Osmond wrote. "As a result, our teachers and schools have been forced to become surrogate parents, expected to do everything from behavioral counseling, to providing adequate nutrition, to teaching sex education, as well as ensuring full college and career readiness."

Osmond wrote further that in the current state of public education, teachers do not receive meaningful support from parents, while at the same time parents become frustrated that schools are not able to meet the individual needs of their children. Osmond told the Deseret News that there is a need to shift the public mindset to viewing learning as an opportunity as opposed to an obligation, while also reinforcing the idea of liberty and choice.

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Utah lawmaker calls for end of compulsory education (Original Post) kpete Jul 2013 OP
Hmmm. Rationale for cutting more funding, I'm guessing? DirkGently Jul 2013 #1
As long as Utah men can still have 7 or 8 wives, this should work out just fine Orrex Jul 2013 #2
Defunding education, overcrowding classrooms & teaching to test are the problem with schools. midnight Jul 2013 #3
if we banned inbreeding, this kind of thing would not happen CreekDog Jul 2013 #4
The Koch brothers finalizing plans for a national chain of poorhouses opening soon? tanyev Jul 2013 #5
"Let’s let them choose it, let’s not force them to do it," he said. avebury Jul 2013 #6
Maybe if more families could get by on a single parent's income more parents could actually raise Victor_c3 Jul 2013 #7
Are you saying that working parents aren't real parents? That's what it sounds like. n/t pnwmom Jul 2013 #8
We need to go in the opposite direction. musical_soul Jul 2013 #9
Logical next step in the attempt to install a modern version of feudalism... stevenleser Jul 2013 #10
you are correct ! olddots Jul 2013 #23
Dumbing down the electorate is one sure-fire way to grow the Republican base. 11 Bravo Jul 2013 #11
What is not being understood here is that this is part of the culling process. R/O LiberalLoner Jul 2013 #12
One of the reasons for making education compulsory Aristus Jul 2013 #13
Thread winah ^^^___^^^^ nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #15
So we got a system where the kids are put in hostile workplaces, which can't be called that Trillo Jul 2013 #19
Then he said .. "My parents didn't force me to get no edumacation." JoePhilly Jul 2013 #14
The Osmond family is well taken care of... Sheepshank Jul 2013 #16
Osmond? Utah? Mormon? alp227 Jul 2013 #17
So his father, who is hearing-impaired, likely would have never gone to school KamaAina Jul 2013 #22
yup ... and the best way to keep the poor, poor, is to deny them an education. nt JoePhilly Jul 2013 #21
Dragging us closer and closer to "Idiocracy," I see. Fawke Em Jul 2013 #18
Says a guy with a degree from the UNIVERSITY OF PHOENIX? alp227 Jul 2013 #20

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
1. Hmmm. Rationale for cutting more funding, I'm guessing?
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 09:38 AM
Jul 2013

Wouldn't argue with the general point that it would be good to present free public education as a privilege, not something both students and parents are dragged to, kicking and screaming all the way.

But I wonder if that's the real aim here.

midnight

(26,624 posts)
3. Defunding education, overcrowding classrooms & teaching to test are the problem with schools.
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 09:41 AM
Jul 2013

And not the fact that education is compulsory and not the fact that parents, who are being blamed, for thinking about education as a day care instead of a privledge institution... What a load of private voucher nonsense...

avebury

(10,952 posts)
6. "Let’s let them choose it, let’s not force them to do it," he said.
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 09:46 AM
Jul 2013

So should we let children drive cars at a younger age? Vote? Smoke? Drink? Stay up all night? Get rid of curfews?

Is this guy for real? What an idiot. This is they type of guy that probably wants to destroy all the social safety nets not realizing that a decent education may be the one thing that helps a child lift himself or herself up to independence by adulthood when they live in poverty, have irresponsible parents, and so on.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
7. Maybe if more families could get by on a single parent's income more parents could actually raise
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 09:46 AM
Jul 2013

their children and schools wouldn't have to do it.

Many parents aren't home during the child's primary developmental years because they have to work in order to squeeze by an existence. As a result, kids are placed in day care and school all day and those people are the ones that have to do the real parenting.

I've seen this happen a lot. Parents get their kids up at 6:00 in the morning, get them dressed and dropped off to daycare by 7:00. Daycare gives them breakfast and puts then on the school bus. After school, the bus drops them back off to daycare where the kids hang out until their parents come by to pick them up at 6:00 pm. Kids get home, eat dinner, watch TV for a little bit and are in bed by 8:00. When is a parent able to be a parent if they are never around their kids?

It's our economic situation as a whole that forces schools (and daycares) to "raise" our children.

musical_soul

(775 posts)
9. We need to go in the opposite direction.
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 09:52 AM
Jul 2013

We need to demand that students can no longer quit school at age sixteen. They have to either finish high school or leave school at the age of twenty-two (or whatever the cutoff age is).

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
10. Logical next step in the attempt to install a modern version of feudalism...
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 09:59 AM
Jul 2013

... which is really what Republicans want, particularly the PTB in the GOP. They want all the rest of us to be serfs who belong to the land or their corporations, with zero hope of upward mobility, while they are the modern equivalent of medieval lords.

It's close to that now.

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
23. you are correct !
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 03:58 PM
Jul 2013

since they have no clues about history they want to relive it , I hate these turd maggots more every day.

LiberalLoner

(9,762 posts)
12. What is not being understood here is that this is part of the culling process. R/O
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 10:54 AM
Jul 2013

If you realize that the elites want most of us dead now (so they can keep dwindling resources for them and theirs and so they can lessen the global warming) everything they are doing makes sense.

There might be too much resistance if they put us in extermination camps.

But we won't fight back if they kill us via economic means. Winners versus losers. Poverty leads to no health care, prison, etc.

But I am quite certain they want most of us dead or at least in prison to be used as slave labor.

Aristus

(66,462 posts)
13. One of the reasons for making education compulsory
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 10:57 AM
Jul 2013

was to keep 8 year-old kids out of the coal mines. That's what this shit-head wants to take us back to?

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
19. So we got a system where the kids are put in hostile workplaces, which can't be called that
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 12:07 PM
Jul 2013

and forced to labor for free.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
16. The Osmond family is well taken care of...
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 11:47 AM
Jul 2013

Aaron, has no idea how his view of the role of goverment (or removing that role) will impact the future of the state where free education is despised and considered another government hand out. Newly elected, he's looking for ways to cut expenses, regardless of how non sensical, without needlessly hurting the elites and those in business *roll eyes*.

alp227

(32,052 posts)
20. Says a guy with a degree from the UNIVERSITY OF PHOENIX?
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 12:07 PM
Jul 2013

This guy succeeded the homophobic bullying apologist Chris Buttars! look up his name on DU.

According to the Salt Lake Tribune:

Osmond believes in more control for local schools, with each principal acting as a school CEO with complete control over budget and staffing issues. Public schools are unable to compete with private and charter schools under the current system, Osmond said, and need to be given more freedom from district, state and federal regulation.
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