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Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 07:48 PM Jul 2013

Activist Son (Derek Black) of Key Racist Leader Renounces White Nationalism

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2013/07/17/activist-son-of-key-racist-leader-renounces-white-nationalism/

For those who remember Derek Black from previous DU OPs on him from years past, this is pretty big. His dad runs Stormfront.



Derek Black, the son of the former Alabama Klan leader who now runs the largest racist Web forum in the world, has renounced white nationalism, saying that he had been through “a gradual awakening process” and apologizing for his past activism.

In an E-mail (pdf) to the editor of this blog this week, Black, 24, wrote that he had come to see the arguments of white nationalism as “principally flawed,” adding that he had realized that American society is marked by an “overwhelming disparity between white power and that of everyone else” and that white nationalism was really about “an entrenched desire to preserve white power at the expense of others.”

“Advocating for white nationalism means that we are opposed to minority attempts to elevate themselves to a position equal to our own,” wrote Black, a junior at the elite New College of Florida. “It is an advocacy that I cannot support, having grown past my bubble, talked to the people I affected, read more widely, and realized the necessary impact my actions had on people I never wanted to harm.”

<snip>

“I now consider this belief system {white nationalism} principally flawed,” he said. “Most arguments that racial equity programs disadvantage whites who would otherwise be hired or accepted to academic programs mask underlying anxieties about the growth of non-white social status. It is impossible to argue rationally that in our society, with its overwhelming disparity between white power and that of everyone else, [that] racial equity programs intended to affect the deep-rooted situation represent oppression of whites.” Indeed, Black added, “The advancement of minorities in the US is not insignificant, but has not ended (let alone reversed) their circumstances.”

<snip>



edit, a couple of DU 'hot hits' on Mr. Black's past, just to give this more context:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7402859

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3874420

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Activist Son (Derek Black) of Key Racist Leader Renounces White Nationalism (Original Post) Starry Messenger Jul 2013 OP
k&r for education. Looks like he learned something in college. n/t Laelth Jul 2013 #1
Right? The value of higher education. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #2
Probably. Laelth Jul 2013 #6
Ha! That might be too. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #7
I admire your lack of cynicism. Laelth Jul 2013 #9
+1 JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #3
wow - good for him, he can drop that ugly burden CitizenLeft Jul 2013 #4
I hope this will cause some other young white people who are in that ideology to drop it Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #5
Welcome to humanity, Derek. K&R Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #8
+1 Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #10
thanking Mr. Black for his honesty Skittles Jul 2013 #11
+1 Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #12
Cool. Those singing twins, daughters of racist nazi, denouced racism also - Prussian Blue Liberal_in_LA Jul 2013 #13
Combine that with Megan and Grace Phelps-Roeper leaving WBC NuclearDem Jul 2013 #15
I remember when they did. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #16
Christ, let's fumigated Florida with the stuff. Put it in water. Hoyt Jul 2013 #20
lol Liberal_in_LA Jul 2013 #22
we need a good omen from Florida, maybe why he spoke up carolinayellowdog Jul 2013 #14
Yeah, I was wondering that too. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #17
Life is better when you don't hate others Politicub Jul 2013 #18
Truer words were never spoken. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #21
Good for him. If only his father would learn from him. denverbill Jul 2013 #19
His mother was married to David Duke before she divorced his ass Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #24
Holy (white) sheet - this is huge Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #23
I know! Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #25
Actually, it isn't. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #26
Ooo. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #27
Scum of the earth. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #28
Thank you for the background and post support! Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #30
The thing that surprised me most was Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #34
The KKK was extremely strong in Indiana carolinayellowdog Jul 2013 #36
I can believe that Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #37
k mstinamotorcity2 Jul 2013 #29
Thank Goodness! Nothing like a person who has come Cha Jul 2013 #31
He was raised in some of the most hateful circumstances imaginable. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #32
Yes, and it boomeranged! Cha Jul 2013 #33
I mentioned in a post about how within the next 2 or 3 generations SomethingFishy Jul 2013 #35

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
2. Right? The value of higher education.
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 08:00 PM
Jul 2013

What an amazing transformation. He's probably being castigated for being brainwashed by Commie liberal pinko professors by his former allies. It's like coming out of a horrifying cult.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
6. Probably.
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 08:05 PM
Jul 2013

My honest suspicion, though, was that intelligent women at an elite college were not interested in dating a backward-thinking, die-hard racist. I bet he saw the writing on that wall and decided to shape up quick.



-Laelth

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
9. I admire your lack of cynicism.
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 08:11 PM
Jul 2013

And I am right there with you, honestly. I really don't care how the guy came to his conversion. I am just glad he did.



-Laelth

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
5. I hope this will cause some other young white people who are in that ideology to drop it
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 08:02 PM
Jul 2013

or question it and start thinking.

 

Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
13. Cool. Those singing twins, daughters of racist nazi, denouced racism also - Prussian Blue
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 08:33 PM
Jul 2013

Reformed Nazi Twin Singers Renounce Racism; Credit Marijuana

Lamb and Lynx Gaede, formerly of the white supremacist rock group Prussian Blue.
​It's only mid-afternoon, but I'm confident this is the strangest story that's going to cross my desk all day. A pair of twins who caused a media frenzy a few years ago by presenting themselves as the cute faces of white supremacist racism have renounced their former hatred, saying that medical marijuana has helped them see the error of their ways.

Lamb and Lynx Gaede, whose band Prussian Blue was popular back in 2005 among those inclined to like such things, ascribed their unsavory past to having been "home schooled country bumpkins" heavily influenced by their domineering white supremacist mother, reports Neurobonkers.

http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2011/07/reformed_nazi_twin_singers_renounce_racism_credit.php

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
15. Combine that with Megan and Grace Phelps-Roeper leaving WBC
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 08:39 PM
Jul 2013

Good to see young people coming to their senses and ditching their hateful parents.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
16. I remember when they did.
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 08:40 PM
Jul 2013

I hope more do, and the parents who raise their kids to be racists finally die the fuck off.

carolinayellowdog

(3,247 posts)
14. we need a good omen from Florida, maybe why he spoke up
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 08:38 PM
Jul 2013

The younger generation, including Mr. Black, really is far better than preceding ones in terms of racial attitudes. His peers as well as his professors must have shown a lot of patience leading him out of the darkness. Persistence paid off.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
18. Life is better when you don't hate others
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 09:02 PM
Jul 2013

and a lot less stressful, too.

It's heartening when people experience an awakening, like some of the Phelps brood did this year.

denverbill

(11,489 posts)
19. Good for him. If only his father would learn from him.
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 09:10 PM
Jul 2013

It takes a lot to go against what your parents taught you for years and years. The guy has some character.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
24. His mother was married to David Duke before she divorced his ass
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 09:45 PM
Jul 2013

and married Don Black, moving from Louisiana to West Palm Beach.

Derek grew up in the KKK.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
23. Holy (white) sheet - this is huge
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 09:42 PM
Jul 2013

From my SPLC days, they (edit - Stormfront.org) had a pinned thread talking about his city council race/defeat that went on for thousands of posts.

Must go now to see their reactions.

Derek - I always knew while monitoring you and Don that you weren't truly "in it" in your heart

(Don - if you are reading - I said fuck you in 2004 to your racist face and say, HAHAHAHAHA and fuck you now )

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
25. I know!
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 09:52 PM
Jul 2013

I did a spit-take when I saw the SPLC post on the story at FB. I should have posted this in the OP:



It's kind of heart-breaking to see little kid Derek in the photo that SPLC posted on their blog showing him at a CCC convention in 1998. I honestly think teaching your kid that kind of hate is child abuse.

I haven't been brave enough to touch Stormfront yet, but I'm sure the shit-storm is visible from space!

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
26. Actually, it isn't.
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 10:18 PM
Jul 2013

His pinned council race thread is now gone and an advanced search pulls nothing. As per usual when a "white crime" is committed - they scrubbed the site.

Not unexpected. I got the screen shots of Richard Poplawski's (Pittsburgh cop killer) final posts as well as those of that Arizona racist that killed his family - literally minutes before they deleted them.

Why so scared, white boys and girls?

Supremacist fucks.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
27. Ooo.
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 10:25 PM
Jul 2013

Glad you take screen-caps. Their attempts to hide behind a veneer of "town square" respectability are really sickening.

I absolutely despise white nationalists.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
28. Scum of the earth.
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 10:38 PM
Jul 2013

Working with SPLC was a highlight - tho a voluntary monitoring position. Screen shotting message board and blog posts was critical because of the itchy delete-post trigger fingers. I have seen shit that would curl (or straighten, depending) your hair.

Got to "know" WAY too many in this movement - and April Gaede's daughters (singing duo Prussian Blue) were my favorite come-to-sense story before now. However - they were teens and Derek is what, 24 now?

Can't thank you enough for ferreting this out and posting it. You have made my night and validated a long held suspicion all in one post.

Thank you.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
30. Thank you for the background and post support!
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 10:56 PM
Jul 2013

I love the work SPLC does, it is really a national treasure, I'm glad they had you helping them out.

I really do hope young people who are in WN orgs will get wind of Derek's defection and leave too.

I live in CA, which I'm sure you know from your work at SPLC has the highest number of hate groups in the US. I've met a few members unwillingly in my time here, and the destructive mentality that that racism does to the human soul stays in the memory.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
34. The thing that surprised me most was
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 02:23 PM
Jul 2013

the strange pockets of neo-nazi activity in places like Indiana and Pennsylvania. The south was a given - but there are some VERY active/large clusters up north too.

carolinayellowdog

(3,247 posts)
36. The KKK was extremely strong in Indiana
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 03:46 PM
Jul 2013

30 percent of white men in the 1920s according to Wikipedia entry on the Indiana Klan.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
37. I can believe that
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 04:24 PM
Jul 2013

If you look at an SPLC tracking map of known hate group activity, that state is one hot mess.

I had no idea. It was eye opening...

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
35. I mentioned in a post about how within the next 2 or 3 generations
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 02:35 PM
Jul 2013

racism would be a thing of the past. This goes a long way to proving my point.

Even a kid raised to be a racist can come around, and he will pass along his enlightenment to his children..

From where we are now, it seems like a generation or two is a long time. However in the big picture it's a blip on the time scale. We are almost there... I wish I could see it in my lifetime, I won't, but my kids or their kids will eventually live in a world without racism.

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