You're NOT a suspect.

[cherokeeprogressive]

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The whole deal with this NSA vacuum cleaner bullshit boils down to this:

You're not a suspect, IF it can be proven that no phone number you have ever called, or ever may call in the future, or ever calls YOU, can be associated, a thousand times removed, through cross-referencing, to a phone number belonging to a bad person, i.e. one your government (who has nothing but YOUR best interests in mind) has determined MIGHT be a "bad person" located in a "bad place".

Which means...

You are a suspect... UNTIL THE DAY YOU DIE.

[leveymg]

1. Just being 3 hops from 1 of the 117K "terrorist" suspects puts you in a pool of a billion suspects

the NSA has profiled. That's a lot of profiling, and it includes most American adults and one in six cell phone users in the world.

[rhett o rick]

2. Who can Booz-Allen sell the data to? Bank of America? China? Does Booz-Allen

have data on all our Congress-critters? Can they influence legislation? Seems to me there are lots of questions to be answered.

[cherokeeprogressive]

3. So when I submit my bid for candidacy as Mayor of Norwalk, California, someone calls my number...

and says: "blah blah blah, blah, blah blah blah blah blah. Are you sure you want to do this?"

So I call their bluff, and run anyway. I win. The first vote that comes my way is a 36" pipeline running right through the middle of my city carrying cyanide to make paper. I vote no. My phone rings in the middle of the night. I pick it up and the first thing hear is "shhhh... is anyone listening? Remember that porn site you visited in 2013?"

[DevonRex]

10. LOL, it's worthless now. Your best buddy gave it all away for free. Corporations HAVE it

already. You know,the phone companies, the internet companies, your credit card companies, them stores you buy from online, your grocery stores, your pharmacies, EVERYBODY. Good lord, get a clue.

Read the permissions every time you download an app.

[Progressive dog]

19. Booz Allen might not but all the banks

can get credit information on every member of Congress. Believe it or not, there's a government agency called the IRS that thinks it should know how much income you have and expects banks and employers to tell on you.
The IRS even tries to get those overseas banks that promised you secrecy to rat you out.
Ever notice those targeted internet ads, big corporation is watching you.

[rhett o rick]

20. I am betting Booz-Allen earns their tens of billions by collecting personal data on all Americans

from Google, Yahoo, credit agencies, emails, blogs, etc and analyzes it, and has it available for the NSA and possibly other corporations. If not, what exactly are we paying them for?

[Progressive dog]

21. I thougth Snowden told us what they did.

I think it was something about listening to all our phone calls whenever they wanted.

[rhett o rick]

22. Why dont we find out for ourselves and quit wasting time arguing about what Snowden knew or said.

That is unless you want to be part of the cover-up. Republicans like Clapper, Mueller, Comey, and Alexander want to cover this up while many Democrats want to investigate farther. I stand with the Democrats.

[cherokeeprogressive]

4. "You're NOT a suspect..."

"The whole deal with this NSA vacuum cleaner bullshit boils down to this:

You're not a suspect, UNTIL it can be proven that no phone number you have ever called, or ever may call in the future, or ever calls YOU, can be connected, a thousand times removed, to a phone number belonging to a "bad person".

Which means...

You are a suspect... UNTIL THE DAY YOU DIE."

WTF? Are you kidding me? You're trying to make President Obama look bad.

See my blue link here, and understand why...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023300522

[NuclearDem]

14. i c wat u did thar

[blkmusclmachine]

5. I have seen the enemy, as he is us.

It's been 1984 since 9/11.

[RobertEarl]

6. IOW

You are a suspect until we decide you are not a suspect..
Yours truly and forever, Amen. The NSA

[cherokeeprogressive]

7. Yeah... pretty much. Welcome to suspecthood.

And always remember... we're watching... we're listening... we're reading... but never fear: We're doing it for YOU.

[RobertEarl]

8. BFF says the NSA

How did we ever survive without them watching over us?

[mick063]

9. The storage is the showstopper

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Worse than wiretapping. A library of data to be retrieved later.



The magnitude of people that have access to this data is not entirely revealed. There is potential for any American in any position to be extorted and coerced by some mid level hack working for a private surveillance contractor, that happened to stumble upon some information unrelated to terrorism.

The Eric Snowden saga has revealed as much. How else can a man so low in the pecking order capture so much world concern? How can a man at this level cause so much "grave danger" to our nation's security? How many more are there, just like him, that have such access?

It has already blown up in the face of our President. You think he would get a clue.

Worse yet, the 1% will purchase information to coerce and extort politicians. Considering how much cheaper it is than Citizens United, you have to believe it is ultimately headed in that direction. Instead of laying out millions to bribe politicians, they can simply extort them for nothing. Those assholes will do anything for a buck. They will "take over" the operation like 1940's mafia and all they will have to do is bid on the contract to run it. Easy. In fact, I take back the statement declaring the 1% will purchase this information as we taxpayers, will instead, pay them to take this information.

The scope of information is too vast to keep it secure. It will take too many "employees" to manage it. It only takes one or two to turn this into a nightmare. I point to Eric Snowden as exhibit A.



There will come a day when a court or grand jury will subpoena NSA data for litigation unrelated to terrorism.

Storage is absolutely the showstopper.

Tear down that fucking server center in Utah already.

[avaistheone1]

11. Hard to believe this country has sunk to this.

k&r

[me b zola]

12. Yeah, I'm used to it ...sort of...

[Warren DeMontague]

13. like how the Patriot Act sooper powers are bein' used ONLY against danger-terra terra-dangerists?

...right.

[Life Long Dem]

15. But how can I create hyperbole talk with talk like that

I trust the Government over contractors like Snowden. The real people that can do harm to you and I with spying are contractors. The Government is out to protect us against ones like Snowden. Look what he has threatened to do with CIA agents worldwide.

[Warren DeMontague]

17. So your argument is to "just trust the Government"?

Who do you think is hiring the damn contractors?

[Life Long Dem]

18. No

I don't trust politicians in general.

[Divine Discontent]

16. I get misdials every week or two! I'm sure some of you do, too!

heck, I even misdial every 4-6 months I'm guessing...