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Too busy with the baby and all.
Video: http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/showbiz/2013/08/01/sbt-anthony-weiner-wife-sexting-scandal.hln#/video/showbiz/2013/08/01/sbt-anthony-weiner-wife-sexting-scandal.hln
olddots
(10,237 posts)she looks very afraid of that sick little douche bag husband , someone should rescue her .
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)strange opinion of the strength of women...
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Just because her husband has sex-related flaws (an addiction?) doesn't mean he's physically abusive!
Geesch.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)hrmjustin
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Control-Z
(15,682 posts)way abuse is usually considered. He's a Narcissist. And being the wife of a Narcissist is the most emotionally/psychologically abusive situation I've known. Worse than physical abuse that shows. It is always the wife's fault. These men are convincing, and cruel, and will stop at nothing to shame and blame and drive a woman to raving mad.
She's got a long haul ahead of her if what I suspect is true.
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loyalsister
(13,390 posts)He used to mercilessly flirt with other women in front of my mother. He knew it was painful for her. It was one of the cruelest things I have ever seen.
Anthony Weiner's behavior strikes me as similar. He baited the press to research it and keep tabs with the blatant lies he told the first time around. And has ensured that the entire thing would be public.
I really hope she finds her way out of this.
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loyalsister
(13,390 posts)It's so sad now to see such a similar pattern on a such a HUGE scale.
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)It is horrible, and you do blame yourself and it does make you question your sanity after awhile. I feel for her...she doesn't even realize. In another thread, I mentioned that often children of narcissists don't realize the narcissistic behavior in their emotionally abusive spouses is abnormal. There were plenty of things my now-ex did that I thought were OK, that in retrospect I'm horrified I let him treat me that way. I thought maybe Huma was a child of a narcissist (they often turn into high achievers/perfectionists who end up in relationships with other narcissists). Huma will need some good therapy to realize exactly what is wrong with this picture.
cali
(114,904 posts)laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)that if you are married to one, you are also the child of one.
chimpymustgo
(12,774 posts)You keep hoping to get that man back. But he will continue to abuse you and diminish you. Huma needs serious help.
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)That was always the worst. The promises, the twisting of my own words to make it my fault, the manipulating of your emotions for you to believe everything was NORMAL, that the situation was NORMAL. And then - telling me that it would be okay, that he was 'working on things' and the promises of a better life in the near future...the consoling that said, "even if it was your fault, we'll work through this...together." while continuing the behavior and continuing to emotionally abuse...they get you on their side first. And it's not all bad times. You are led to believe that emotional abuse is violent, continuous, dished out by monsters. No, you can have a great marriage 95% of the time, but that 5% is horrible. But just because 95% is great, it does not negate the fact that you are abused. Most people just don't realize they are in an abusive situation because it does not reflect what we are told an abusive situation looks like. Most people can't wrap their brains around that the person they love and is warm, funny and loving MOST of the time is an abusive asshole. They make excuses. "They were tired, overworked, stressed..."
I really wish they would teach how to recognize abuse in schools. It would've saved me years of torment.
chimpymustgo
(12,774 posts)Unless you've taken a psychology course on human behavior, there's no way you could know what's happening to you. And it can happen to very smart, educated people!
I've also ready narcissism is very difficult to treat, because the subjects are so adept in manipulating and deluding people - and deluding themselves.
Summer Hathaway
(2,770 posts)to click on the link.
On a related topic, I don't watch the Kardashians either.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)He is a sick perverted man. I wouldn't want my kid near him if I were her. Let the child have somewhat of a peaceful life early. No child should be made fun of over their creepy father.
JI7
(89,248 posts)Cha
(297,196 posts)into that train of thought?
If Weiner had some brass he would come out and say.. it was not her fault at all. it was his own damn fault.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)If he is such a fighter and his real complaint was the prudish press, why not come clean after the first story broke?
It's so sad, because I really appreciated his aggressive style. It was a big loss for us and the whole thing makes me very angry at him.
Maximumnegro
(1,134 posts)I am a little skeptical that she is a victim of abuse. I don't see Hillary tolerating that from such a close aide and friend for so long. Abusers yes come in all shapes and sizes but Weiner, well, I think she actually outweighs the guy. My money is she and Anthony had their eye on 2016 and really wanted to be in a position politically to benefit from a Hillary presidency and rolled the dice on him running. I also bet she didn't realize the extent of his sexting until now.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Seriously....I sit here night after night in shock that people talk about a woman like Huma...a woman so strong...she has her OWN freaking career and we KNOW her separately from him BECAUSE of what she does like this....it is soooooo disrespectful...and from people that call them selves feminists. As if no woman could possibly rise above "this"...."why why...she MUST be humiliated I tell you"....I guess because they themselves would be humiliated. This is HIS burden to bear....it doesn't reflect on her...and if she feels that maybe as a mother and career woman maybe she put his needs a little on the back burner for too long...that's not unusual for her to casually wonder at all at a time like this...not surprising that she might second guess herself...it shows introspection...that's wisdom. I am even more in awe of her....I definitely do not "pity" her as others seem to do.
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VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)isolate you from other people......especially other smart women....
Maximumnegro
(1,134 posts)and has been for years?
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)and now have an education and a really good job....I can look back on things and see them much much more clearly. SHE doesn't look like an abused woman at all to me....she has much too much self esteem...and THAT my friend is WHY its disrespectful. You are all saying that she has such LOW self esteem....that she would let a man control her!
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VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)While a student at George Washington University, Abedin began working as an intern in the White House in 1996, assigned to then-First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton. In 1998, she was an assistant editor of the Journal of Muslim Minority Affairs.[8] She later worked as traveling chief of staff and "body woman" during Clinton's 2008 Democratic Presidential nomination campaign,[2][3] and subsequently served as Deputy Chief of Staff under Clinton in the State Department.[9] She is currently a director of the transition team that is helping Clinton return to private life,[10] [4] and works for the William Jefferson Clinton Foundation.
In 2010, Abedin was included in Time's "40 under 40",[11] a list of a "new generation of civic leaders" and "rising stars of American politics".[12] At a celebration before Abedin's wedding to Anthony Weiner, Clinton said in a speech, "I only have one daughter. But if I had a second daughter, it would [be] Huma."[13]
Does that sound like a woman with low self esteem? She sounds plenty strong and capable to me.....Wiener is not man enough to dominate ^^^^ that woman!
Maximumnegro
(1,134 posts)would have been a great chance to move a step up. If Weiner had actually made it to the runoff stage they would have gotten Clinton backing potentially behind the scenes, but Weiner is weak, weak, weak. All the low self esteem talk about her is hilarious because the person screaming low self esteem is Weiner himself. I don't think he's the one calling the shots at home at all. I mean come on 'Carlos DANGER'? If that isn't low self esteem I don't know what is.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)not the other way around. He has to show women his "junk" because he feels that and his social status are the only attractive qualities he has...
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Because here is the thing- it was noted from the get-go the reason for Weiner running this time around was to rehabilitate his image more than to actually win. Plus, he had funds from Congress he had to either use or ditch.
The suggestion he run for a lesser office was a non-starter because if he lost running for public advocate it would put a permanent stench of failure on him
"he couldn't even win advocate".
But failing for Mayor is at least a start. You can lose and still try again.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)around 60 yrs or so....people have always formed partnerships for all kinds of reasons. Its their business if it is not "romantic love" between them.....perhaps thats why she looks the other way. It's no skin off her nose. People just cannot get past the "poor pitiful woman collasping with the vapors if her man looks at another". Once you get past fairy tales of Prince Charming and kissing frogs...you accept your partner has flaws....you take a vow "for better for worse" that means something sometimes....perhaps this is his worse....and people forget there could be soooooo much worse than your man flashing a picture of his junk at a woman. He is not a pedophile....no STD's...no babies were created or aborted..nobody got beat up etc etc etc. Perhaps if this is HIS flaw...perhaps its one she has decided she can live with...Having the right to make that decision or not IS what feminism is about. Not doing things a certain way because that is what society dictates.....that is true freedom for a woman....thats independence. Making up your own mind!
enough
(13,259 posts)cannot be caught in a relationship with a psychologically abusive partner. I have a close woman friend who is extremely successful in a high-powered career in DC, financially way beyond secure, highly respected by friends and colleagues, physically adventurous, strong, and fit. Also very good looking.
She has been embroiled in a very damaging relationship with a narcissistic man for several years. Nobody can understand the hold this guy has over her, because he is so obviously tearing her down and undermining her. But she seems powerless against this, even though she has so much power in every other way. It is heartbreaking.
And by the way, no-one within her professional sphere has any idea this is going on.
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)Even beautiful, smart, successful, confident women can end up in abusive situations too. It's BS to imply that one has to be weak and have shitty self-esteem to be the victim of abuse. It's also a dangerous implication for people who are in abusive situations and don't realize it because they don't feel they fit the profile of a submissive woman with 'poor self esteem'.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Wiener himself exhibits low self-esteem qualities much more than Huma does...He is over-compensating.....But this assumption that anyone who has a husband who cheats or in this case....trolls the Internet for masturbation material are all somehow being abused mentally is just deplorable.
frylock
(34,825 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)that's not indicative of "low self esteem". This man whatever his flaws....and obvious she accepts hims flaws and all is the father of her child...and calling a guy who "spends to much time thinking about his junk" is still a father......you are calling that childs father who has not had sex with another woman...nor contracted a sexually transmitted disease...did not produce a baby out of wedlock or cause an abortion you are calling that childs father "a shitbag". He is still at home raising his child. But many want him to wear a Scarlet Letter...
Nice...
frylock
(34,825 posts)are you suggesting that any shitbag that stays and raises their kid is by default not a shitbag? I didn't call him a deadbeat dad ffs.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)is this another self-aggrandizing video of weiner bloviating about some progressive ideals all in the name of shameless self-promotion?
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)are not married to....is a "shitbag? by default? Do you realize how many "shitbags" there are using your standard of shitbaggery?
frylock
(34,825 posts)gets caught, goes on teevee and LIES about their twitter account being hacked, is pressured to quit their job, gets back on teevee to let everyone know it's behind them, then engages in the same activities knowing full well that they're under the microscope because they're running for office in the largest media market on the planet, and then drags their wife out in front of the cameras to issue yet another half-assed apology is indeed a shitbag in my estimation. if those are the types that you want to defend and admire, then fucking knock yourself out.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)I wouldnt tell the truth about my sex life either...why do YOU deserve an explanation from him about what he does with his junk...its NONE of your business...
Do you also oppose the NSA snooping? Then why does it matter what Weiner does with his wiener? Why are YOU snooping in his business?
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)If you want to stop infidelity.....stop men specifically from marrying....its that notorious penis!
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Gay male couples...most promiscuous
Straight couples...less promiscuous
Lesbian couples...most monogamous....
See how that works?
Yet we pretend that infidelity is rare!
frylock
(34,825 posts)he insulted ALL of our intelligence when he gets up on teevee and LIES about his twitter account being hacked. now i'm sure you tell me that all politicians lie. no fucking shit.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)did he lie before the Supreme Court? In front of Congress? MOST people would lie about their sexual exploits live on camera. I certainly would lie about some of mine...people who live in glass houses you know? I am not without sin....so I won't be throwing "shitbag" rocks.
frylock
(34,825 posts)good luck to mr. danger in his future endeavors. i'm sure you'll be there to support him 110%.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)I just oppose prudishness and hypocrisy! I hate seeing us become the hypocrites that the "Family Values" party are frankly. I was exactly the same when it was Bill Clinton. I didn't care what he did with his pecker....as long as he did his job. I don't care what my doctor, pilot or local firefighter does with his either...as long as they do their jobs...
frylock
(34,825 posts)was it my liberal use of the word fuck that makes me prudish? would you care to come over and peruse my vast collection of porn? this has nothing to do with prudishness, and everything to do with using good judgment, which weiner has displayed he is incapable of using.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)language has nothing to do with it....my mother curses and she is the biggest prude I ever met.
"good judgement"....hahahahaha right...people make bad judgements when it comes to sex ALL the time...PUHLEEZE!
If he wore the Scarlet Letter so everyone can be reminded that he is a slut satisfy you?
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)is that bad judgement in your book? Should she be tarred and feathered and never allowed to run for office as a result? Should she be called a "shitbag"?
frylock
(34,825 posts)are you fucking shitting me?! goodfuckingbye.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)MotherPetrie
(3,145 posts)Maximumnegro
(1,134 posts)does Hillary and Bill's relationship qualify as abuse?
I think Weiner and Huma are trying to do the same thing - The Clintons MARRIED THEM after all. That kind of proximity surely must encourage like behavior. Problem is Weiner is no Bill Clinton.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Are you going to suggest that Hillary is an abused woman too?
MotherPetrie
(3,145 posts)but respect. Not to mention your teenage child with that spouse.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)MOST people are not faithful....deal with it!
I just cannot believe this is the democratic underground.....Its starting to sound like Church Lady Underground! An unfaithful spouse is not an automatic abuser. Having seen it first hand....h from my parents and then my own marriage...and living to Middle Age I am wise enough to know that MOST people cheat...just like Dan Savage said....if you spend a lifetime with someone and they have only fallen off the monogamy wagon it doesn't mean the marriage has failed necessarily nor does it mean that the unfaithful spouse is abusive....
this is ridiculous and VERY unfeminist. Women can choose to stay or go when their spouse falters...We all have sin....we don't all walk on water....get over it. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone....I think some famous guy said that
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)I bet she slapped him when he told what he did. And I bet he told her after that slap that he deserved it and if it makes her feel better then its ok.And I bet he told her they had to stay together for the baby etc etc.. And I bet he told her the pressures of his job lead him to his behavior. Oh and the ole I love you and I feel nothing for those women.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)tonight. He's a philanderer, but that doesn't make him a batterer except insofar as cheating hurts one's partner.
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)I knew of some guys who beat their wives but did not cheat on them
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)then to stay with him after the 2011 Tweets exposing himself. If he had gotten help that would have been a different story. She is a beautiful smart woman, but she needs to leave him. That is something only she can do.
lynne
(3,118 posts)- if she feels even a bit responsible for his behavior. I don't care what her religious upbringing is or that they have a child, she's an individual with her own mind. Actually, the fact that a child is involved should spur her to distance herself from Weiner. I wouldn't raise my child in the same household with Weiner as he's proven himself to be reckless and not to be of good judgment or character.
I don't feel sorry for Weiner or Huma. But the son - he will never escape his father's legacy and will carry this his entire life. Their child is who I feel sympathy for.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)OMG and you people call yourselves feminists? I thought that was all about women having choices?
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)then it's OK for the hubby to get up to this kind of adolescent self-aggrandizement at the expense of others, risking both of their careers and futures?
For one thing, this kind of predatory flashing behavior is not really about sex. For that, you go more the Clinton route.
Poor Huma. She doesn't understand the nature of her husband's problems--she wants to make it simple and manageable for herself.
Get a better therapist, Huma.
Maximumnegro
(1,134 posts)Why is their really close relationship to the Clintons not ringing bells for people here? Especially as Huma just announced she is 'taking time away' from Hillary. Hello!
allin99
(894 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)Not my cup of tea, but to each their own.
okieinpain
(9,397 posts)ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Whisp
(24,096 posts)just for the clicks.
I'm not a fan of either of them but jeeeze, can this story just go away already. I suppose it can't until Wienermeister drops out of the race - until then he and Huma will be making news whether it's true or just made up shit.
What an ugly, grotty little man. Go Away.
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)Like she's standing two feet away from him as it goes on or if they're having "relations" in one form or another as he's texting other women?
I brought this up before and people just poo poohed the idea without ever answering the question.
Suppose they're just a kinky couple? Would this controversy all go away? Would people hate her? Would there still be all this outrage? Would people think it was cool?
I'd love to see what would happen.
Bake
(21,977 posts)Bake
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Dude's political career is over. Nothing to see here, this is moving into People Magazine, Kardashian, Octomom territory.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)I know that feeling that you have to stay in a bad marriage because divorce is wrong. This is doing damage to her, as these remarks make clear. My heart breaks for her.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)It feels like rubbernecking.
She's married to a creep, that's bad enough. But she's an adult and deserves to make her own decisions w/o being second guessed IMHO.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)Hearing her blame herself is the most tragic part of this. I took it as a joke before this.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)And it's not like he's any great prize.
When he does that thing with his face I think he's about to catch a fly with his tongue.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)What an image.