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Tawana Brawley begins making payments 26 years after rape report
NEW YORK (AP) -- A black woman who set off a racial firestorm as a teenager after alleging she was raped by a group of white men in 1987 has begun making defamation payments to one of them.
Tawana Brawley has paid just over $3,700 to former county prosecutor Steven Pagones, the New York Post reported (http://bit.ly/14USZiy). Pagones won a claim against her and her advisers, including the Rev. Al Sharpton, after he was named as an attacker.
Brawley, then 15 and living in Wappingers Falls, claimed she had been sexually assaulted by white men who smeared her with feces and scrawled racial epithets on her body.
The case quickly made headlines and drew the attention of Sharpton, who became an outspoken advocate for the teen.
A special state grand jury later determined that Brawley had fabricated her claims, perhaps to avoid punishment for staying out late.
Pagones sued Brawley for defamation and won a $185,000 judgment. She now owes him more than $400,000 with interest.
Brawley lives in Virginia and works as a nurse. The Post reported her location in December, and Pagones then filed papers to have her wages garnished for the payments owed him.
http://www.mercurynews.com/nation-world/ci_23793807/tawana-brawley-begins-making-payments-26-years-after
blueknight
(2,831 posts)is why a lot of white people HATE rev al. he was all in on this farce from the beginning
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)farce is a kind way of describing the fraud they both committed
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)I would not say the Rev. Al deserves hate....but he certainly deserves scorn for this stunt, and for taking money from the Republicans to run against John Kerry....
http://www.villagevoice.com/2004-01-27/news/sleeping-with-the-gop/
Response to msanthrope (Reply #3)
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msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Response to msanthrope (Reply #5)
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msanthrope
(37,549 posts)example of ratfucking.
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msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Kerry should have unleashed the long knives on that shit and shut it the fuck down, day one.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)established many times on DU. It's very sad that people still allow this to be spread as truthful.
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X_Digger
(18,585 posts)Especially if it makes others address hard topics they'd rather pretend didn't exist.
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)They hate him because they are bigots who hate any black man they see as a threat, i.e. ALL of them.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Unless you were in NYC at the time and watched the clown Al actively try to tear our city apart over a lie, I will not be called a bigot by somebody ignorant of what is was like.
Fla Dem
(23,656 posts)rdharma
(6,057 posts)But it's pretty plain for all to see!
Moses2SandyKoufax
(1,290 posts)obvious RW troll is obvious.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)I'm relatively new here. But it "doesn't take a weatherman to tell which way the wind blows"!
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Please enlighten us...
rdharma
(6,057 posts)Then you already know the answer!
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Response to Agschmid (Reply #19)
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Agschmid
(28,749 posts)rdharma
(6,057 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Have a point share it. Ellipses and smilies get you nowhere. Why is okay for you two to callous this person?
Moses2SandyKoufax
(1,290 posts)for the entire 9 years he's been here. Apparently we just have to look the other way, and play dumb when the OP, and a handful of other long time multi post members use this board to spread their bullshit.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)This kind of call out is not appreciated by the community?
All we are doing is kicking this thread giving it more visibility that it ever would have gotten.
Moses2SandyKoufax
(1,290 posts)They need to look beyond post counts and tenure. This is why META was so valuable.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)I don't run the website but obviously it was taken away for a reason and DU is still here. I for one do NOT miss it.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3404097
Author: Moses2SandyKoufax
Subject = The wind is blowing in the direction of the OP being a libertarian troll, and shill for
Alerter comments: You cannot call out people for being a troll on DU3.
Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: Personal attacks do nothing to advance a civil or productive conversation. Use ignore, trash thread, or just pass on by - but spewing insults is just disruptive noise.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: You apparently CAN call out DUers for being trolls,but some jury members may not agree with you.I'm one of them,I'm sick of poster using "paid troll,shill, authoritarian"etc. as a weapon of choice in the word wars.If you can't argue your case without throwing suspicion on other,you can't argue your case.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT and said: I know nothing of the poster in question, but regardless this is a personal attack and against DU rules.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Are you kidding? Calling people trolls, shills, Groupies, Swooners, Dirty Tricks Operators, Military Intelligence Cabalists, etc., IS the community standard on DU.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: Moses2SandyKoufax does not play well with others.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT and said: Nasty
Pelican
(1,156 posts)It happened... Sticking your fingers in your ears and doing the equivalent of lalalala doesn't make it not happen.
Why not talk about it?
dkf
(37,305 posts)Ridiculous.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Unfair callout IMO.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Do you know anything about that poster?
rdharma
(6,057 posts)What would make you think THAT?
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Moses2SandyKoufax
12. Yep,
obvious RW troll is obvious.
Reply
Alert SP
And the OP is NOT a troll. Far from it.
Can't wait to see which smiley you choose next it is so hard to keep up...
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)This is the hidden post:
big tobacco who scours online toilets like "the daily caller", and "the blaze", along with other dark, putrid corners of the RW blogosphere in order to post obvious flame-bait on this message board.
And your reply to that post:
34. I'm new here..... but......
And then you posted this:
29. Who said anything about "trolls"?
What would make you think THAT?
Squinch
(50,949 posts)backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Does he/she really speak for white people? Hmm....
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)(especially for something like defamation) are useful or appropriate.
GiaGiovanni
(1,247 posts)That's not right.
The adults who manipulated her should be paying.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)Jenoch
(7,720 posts)Apparently, she could still get out of making these payments if she would simply come clean about the lies she told about this incident.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)up to the defamation case, so tell me why she should not be held accountable for her default?
GiaGiovanni
(1,247 posts)I didn't realize she was a minor when she made the accusation, but not a minor when she showed up for court.
Boudica the Lyoness
(2,899 posts)She has never apologized for what she did to him, or the other men.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)let alone $400K. It's ridiculous. Pagones has already collected over a quarter of a million dollars for 'damages' (that he sued for 11 years after the fact) & tawana brawley's name is the punchline to a joke.
Pagones' name would have *never* become part of the circus but for the *adults* who got involved. Brawley was just a dumb kid.
meanwhile, al sharpton is a well-paid pundit & a supposed 'leader of the black community'.
enough already.
When civil rights activist Rev. Al Sharpton, with attorneys Alton H. Maddox and C. Vernon Mason, began handling Brawley's publicity, the case quickly took on an explosive edge. At the height of the controversy in June 1988, a poll showed a gap of 34 percentage points between blacks (51%) and whites (85%) on the question of whether she was lying.[10]
Sharpton, Maddox, and Mason generated a national media sensation. The three claimed officials all the way up to the state government were trying to cover up defendants in the case because they were white. Specifically, they named Steven Pagones, an Assistant District Attorney in Dutchess County, as one of the rapists, and a racist, among other accusations.[11]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawana_Brawley
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)default, a decision she made as an ADULT. You are incorrect.
Boudica the Lyoness
(2,899 posts)The former New York prosecutor Steven Pagones, wants a confession from Brawley and has said he would drop it if she confessed.
Someone is making payments to Pagones and I don't think Brawley could do it on her salary.
Someone is trying to keep her from confessing as to who was behind this terrible story.
I have empathy for people who are falsely accused, just because someone wants to become famous/rich. I always try to put myself in their shoes.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)Boudica the Lyoness
(2,899 posts)I was thinking if they are taking so much of her paycheck, then how is she able to live on what is left? You need every penny of a LPN's salary in order to live.
The garnishment can't be hurting her or else she would confess. That's why I believe someone who wants to keep his job, doesn't want her to tell the truth.
Follow the money.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)punished by her family for not coming home for days.
from there, it snowballed, but not because of brawley.
Boudica the Lyoness
(2,899 posts)I meant Al Sharpton. I should have been clearer. Brawley just wanted to keep out of trouble.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)Historic NY
(37,449 posts)they came into the local communites here and whipped a frenezy. Tawana had he opportunity to testify and she never did. In fact she never cooperated at all with the investigation .
One has to ask why Johnnie Cochran & Earl Graves paid for all except her?
I live in the area and its still a sore subject with all.
ceonupe
(597 posts)The truth came out.
He was conned by rev al
He paid a complete settlement as well as the other lawyer.
And Cochran and Al never were on good terms after no matter how much al wants to act like it now.
This case actually push rev al down a lot and only in the last 10 years or so has he been able to gain some level of credibility and then the duke lacross scandal happened and it was right back to Tawanna case references.
Al also lost good ties with lots of other black legal eagles including Willie Gary and even Julia chambers rebuffed him many times.
GiaGiovanni
(1,247 posts)Too long ago. It was a made up story for certain?
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)GiaGiovanni
(1,247 posts)Lie detector?
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)GiaGiovanni
(1,247 posts)Thanks
YarnAddict
(1,850 posts)had an iron-clad alibi. there is no question that this was all false. A set-up. A stunt.
GiaGiovanni
(1,247 posts)Crist was the accused?
YarnAddict
(1,850 posts)he committed suicide, due to circumstances totally unrelated to this case. IIRC, Pagones was a good friend of his, and when he stuck up for Crist, Brawley went after him. My memory may be a bit faulty, because it's been a loooooooooooong time.
Anyway, when something like this happens, it is a tragedy, largely because it makes women with valid claims of rape or abuse subject to skepticism, IMHO.
dkf
(37,305 posts)Wouldn't being accused of a rape add some kind of stress to an already stressed life? Maybe it was the final straw?
YarnAddict
(1,850 posts)The GJ found that there was no connection. You bring up a valid point. Not sure how the chronology goes, and whether he even knew anything about TB before he died.
dkf
(37,305 posts)tammywammy
(26,582 posts)The grand jury starts discussing Officer Crist on page 77: http://www.nicolederise.com/tawanabrawleyarchive/archive/files/report-of-the-grand-jury-and-related-documents-concerning-the-tawana-brawley-investigation_759acb9193.pdf
Dr. Strange
(25,920 posts)After Pagones said that Crist couldn't have been involved because he was with Pagones on one of the nights that Brawley was being assaulted, Maddox, Mason, and Sharpton decided that Pagones was also one of the rapists, which is how he became another of the accused.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)on the Rev. Al and his machinations....
http://www.nicolederise.com/tawanabrawleyarchive/items/show/12
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)In 1998, a jury in Dutchess County decided that Mr. Maddox, the Rev. Al Sharpton, C. Vernon Mason and Ms. Brawley had defamed Mr. Pagones by wrongly accusing him of being one of a group of men who abducted and raped Ms. Brawley over several days in 1987.
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/07/nyregion/adviser-in-tawana-brawley-case-pays-off-defamation-award.html
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)default. She should be responsible for her actions as an adult....
boston bean
(36,221 posts)She was 15 in 87.
Can you point me to the link that she was an adult during the defamation trial?
I must not be looking in the right places....
Dr. Strange
(25,920 posts)boston bean
(36,221 posts)Did she turn 17 before the defamation trial ended?
I'm curious, cause I can't find the info that poster, seems to very strongly, state with authority.
Dr. Strange
(25,920 posts)Pagones' civil suit was brought in 97-98, so she was around 25 at the time of that trial.
The curious thing is the case only seemed to be brought against Maddox, Mason, and Sharpton. So I'm not sure how she got hit with that judgment. Maybe because Maddox, Mason, and Sharpton were relying on testimony from Brawley, and she then refused to show up and provide that testimony, the judge held her responsible as well?
boston bean
(36,221 posts)thank you.
to me this seems unjust. she was a minor when the incident took place. were sharpton and the others turning on her in theirr defense?
this whole thing was so long ago.
Dr. Strange
(25,920 posts)if you were being dyslexic, wouldn't 88 still be 88?
I don't think they were turning on her. She just told the judge in that case that she wouldn't show up because "an appearance in the court, 'which inferentially sympathizes with the Confederate States of America, would be contrary to the US Constitution and would amount to a "badge of slavery." ' "
Judges don't go for that.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)I can still remember my torts professors writing on the board "kids and insanes are liable for their torts" and repeating it over and over, since it goes against the grain.
But most kids are judgment proof - she's starting out her adult life worse off than people with huge college loans - she should have fought the cases rather than just let them go to default, but maybe she had her reasons.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)In fact, I wonder how there was no one willing to take it on. With a notorious case, there is usually some lawyer willing.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)she didn't do it alone--her mother helped.
treestar
(82,383 posts)her mother helping. And she could have argued the Plaintiff's damages were not so high.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)her stepfather beat her when she was late before, or went out, and her mother was helping her so as to avoid a beating from the stepfather.
Now whether that could have been credible in court is another question.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)And I think it escalated out of control.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/20-years-tawana-brawley-turned-back-article-1.258639#ixzz2b3ndFeCl
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Jenoch
(7,720 posts)as a teenager. It certainly did not fly as an excuse for her as an adult.
treestar
(82,383 posts)It was either not true or she is still sticking by Glenda.
branford
(4,462 posts)Also, a trial would have been very expensive and a jury could have awarded an even larger verdict than that directed by the court in the default. It would also have garnered even more media attention, and Tawana would have been required to give testimony both at deposition and trial. Fifth amendment issues might have been at play. A default might have been the "least worst" option. I do not know what I would have counseled had she been my client.
BTW, my torts professor was similarly insistent. Good times.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Proving up a default - no chance to emotionally sway the jury and thus likely lower damages.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)liable for anything, let alone pursued over it, like Jean Valjean, for the rest of her life.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)Jenoch
(7,720 posts)ever got any money from Sharpton?
The story says he won a judgement against Sharpton as well as Brawley.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Jenoch
(7,720 posts)I am in agreement that Sharpton should help Brawley pay the judgment. Better yet, she should come clean and then the judgment will not be enforced.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)Oh..... I wonder why!
PS - Note the socks!
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)On the front page of GD:
Ohio killer set for execution found hanged in cell
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023403171
(Story update) Morocco king revokes paedophile's pardon
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023403969
U.S. instructs 19 diplomatic posts around the world to remain closed throughout next week
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023403867
Distant relative of Amelia Earhart plans two-week flight around the world
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023403826
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Not sure why people like to make trouble for him, he posts a lot of stories of all sorts.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)in GD.
blueknight
(2,831 posts)admire reverend al. he has always been an opportunist and race baiter.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)But I have an idea WHY they do that!
Boudica the Lyoness
(2,899 posts)I am extremely interested to know what you mean. I curious because when this story was taking place, I don't recall hearing from the RW. If I remember right, there was no FOX 'news', no Rush Limbaugh, and of course, no internet.
Also please explain why a person, who doesn't have a high opinion of Al Sharpton, deserves this look
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)oldhippie
(3,249 posts)... in this case?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Actions which, by the way, are frowned-upon here.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)Explain why you think I call BS on old RW talking points! Please do!
arcane1
(38,613 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)All you do is insult people. This is a news story that you obviously wish wasn't posted....why is that?
Dr. Strange
(25,920 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Check out the date on the story. August 4, 2013.
We're still allowed to discuss current events, right?
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Boudica the Lyoness
(2,899 posts)rdharma
(6,057 posts)What a well coordinated effort!
Boudica the Lyoness
(2,899 posts)What are you implying?
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Last edited Sun Aug 4, 2013, 10:24 PM - Edit history (1)
You've been here since February of this year.
You spend nearly half your time in the gungeon.
You're accusing long time DUers of being socks and trolls.
With your charming personality, you only have 4 hidden posts in the last 90 days.
Hmmm.......
Edit - It' now 6 hidden posts in the last 90 days. You're now officially transparent.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Now I'm craving pizza for some reason
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Pepperoni.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)Gee! I feel so embarrassed!
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Not to mention that 20 posts a day for 180 days is no small feat with a 100 word vocabulary and a handful of smilies.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)The Court Jester is hard to ignore, and so is the Village Idiot.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)Really?
pintobean
(18,101 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)Funny, I've never noticed him before. At least not as...
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)The similarities are striking.
tumtum
(438 posts)He's been blocked.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)before that's expanded.
Again.
tumtum
(438 posts)now that he's been blocked from this thread.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023405381
Ooops, never mind, it was hidden by jury.
He's not doing so well today.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)It was said down-thread that the jury results can be seen in the MIRT forum. I can't see that, but it tells me that TOS was checked. Looks like dharma is under the microscope.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Granted she never should have accused anybody of rape that didn't happen. Al should pay her to pay them since he has the money. It got more attention because of him. This is a life sentence for her. Not even a rapist spends life in prison. Although some should.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Why shouldn't she be held accountable for her failure as an adult?
badtoworse
(5,957 posts)rdharma
(6,057 posts)Oh...... I know why!
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badtoworse
(5,957 posts)She shouldn't have to pay Pagones? She stiffed him on the judgment and he found her. Sorry, I have no sympathy for her.
NewThinkingChance40
(289 posts)in the actual discussion? I have seen a lot of disruptive posts from your direction, but nothing about this topic.
It is sad when things like this happen, she was probably told to do it by her parents, or even worse lied to cover her own ass so as not to get in trouble. Either way, lives were ruined because of it, and of course Al Sharpton will walk away scot free as he always does.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)Bringing up old RW talking points about Sharpton?
No wonder you chimed in!
NewThinkingChance40
(289 posts)that the poster felt was worthy of being put forth. It was put up for judment by anyone, it is a story about a girl who cried wolf, ruined some mens lives, and then was found to be lying. If you want to debate Al Sharpton, then post something of your own showing ANYTHING positive he has done, and I am sure people will be more than willing to discuss it. but you haven't been replying to the other people who have called you out, so why should I expect anything different.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)And you wanted to help him in that effort!
NewThinkingChance40
(289 posts)The OP did not say anything about Sharpton, the only mention of him was in the original story. There were mentions of Sharpton throughout the comments, but not by the OP. Please show me where he was specifically stirring up "old RW shit".
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Only an idiot would claim that this was posted only as a RW talking point meant to trash Race Baitin' Al.
You don't strike me as being the sharpest bulb in the shed.
The Straight Story posts news from all corners, always interesting, and never with any kind of editorial slant of his own. You, however, post smilies and snark. I've seen your arguments in the gungeon. Anyone who didn't know better would have no choice but to assume you had a 100 word vocabulary. You post three words and a smiley. Only an idiot does that.
blueknight
(2,831 posts)this girl, with the help of REVEREND al just about ruined some young mens lives. but i guess since REVEREND al was involved its ok
rdharma
(6,057 posts)Hmmmmm?
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)you answer any one of the dozen people who have asked what right wing shit is being brought up here? Al deserves nothing but scorn for his part in this mess and that he hasn't offered to pay the fine for her says he's even lower than I already thought.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)and it would have likely sunk like a stone if not for the efforts of a particular DUer trying to call the original poster a RW troll without actually saying RW troll. Someone's keeping this thread kicked, and it's NOT the straight story. Its you. You may be a big fan of the , but YOU are the joke here.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)Now WHY would you get the idea that was even part of the discussion?
hughee99
(16,113 posts)rdharma
(6,057 posts)Does it?
hughee99
(16,113 posts)TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)TYY
treestar
(82,383 posts)she had a stepfather who beat her when she was late and such. She may not have intended the story to take off and end up so big.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)up by about day 3, she probably would have received a slap on the wrist and gotten on with her life. Instead, she's 40 and getting her wages garnished. All she has to do is fess up now and apparently she can then stop the payments.
GiaGiovanni
(1,247 posts)Or has the statute run out?
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)incident in 1987. If she would have admitted that she was lying early on, then she would have gotten a slap on the wrist, it likely would not have been a national story and the guy with the defamation lawsuit would not have been dragged into it.
GiaGiovanni
(1,247 posts)That's a major reason to keep silent if she would.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)but I would guess that the statute of limitations has expired. Unless the defamation case restarted the timeline.
Thanks.
treestar
(82,383 posts)it might have been the time to explain all that.
It remains possible she was attacked - remotely, but the grand jury not seeing evidence for it doesn't mean it didn't happen but from wikipedia:
Pretty convincing. Had she testified, it could have been better, could have been worse. As victim, there is nothing wrong with noting she did not testify. Don't know if that was her choice, though.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)If she would have admitted it early on, her life would be normal now.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)Sometime thereafter, Steven A. Pagones ("Pagones" brought a defamation action against Alton H. Maddox, Jr., ("Maddox" C. Vernon Mason ("Mason" and Rev. Al Sharpton ("Sharpton" and also sought damages against Brawley. The claims in paragraphs 336 through 364 of the complaint against Brawley were based on her alleged responsibility for "the acts, statements, accusations spoken or committed by the defendants, Maddox, Mason and Sharpton" on her behalf...
Maddox, Mason and Sharpton all appeared in the action; however, Brawley failed to appear. On or about May 2, 1989 plaintiff moved for a default judgment against her...By decision dated May 6, 1991 Justice Beisner, noting that Brawley had attained majority, entered a default judgment against her on the issue of liability, reserving damages for future determination.
(See that? she was sued in 1989 but they *waited* until she was 18 to enter a default judgment, probably because had they entered such a judgment before she was a legal adult there would have likely been some difficulty with holding a minor responsible for paying nearly a quarter of a million dollars.)
In establishing the amount of damages, the Court believes it would be inappropriate for the reasons noted to award a huge sum. On the other hand, Brawley is the one person most responsible for the false charges; therefore, the Court believes she should be held at least as accountable as Mr. Mason, the defendant held most responsible by the jury. Accordingly, the Court makes a punitive award in the amount of One Hundred Eighty Thousand Dollars ($180,000.00) against Brawley in favor of Pagones.
S. BARRETT HICKMAN, J.S.C.
DATED:October , 1998
katmondoo
(6,457 posts)and have forgiven him for his connection to Brawley. He is a smart man with a quick wit.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)and still does - for justice for African Americans.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)My Aunt lived down the road from her and I remember the whole firestorm that happened because of it. She should have to pay for all the trouble she caused. As for Rev. Al, it was a bad moment for him but he has gone on to have much better moments.
I hope she seeks forgiveness for the trouble she caused.
As for calling the OP a troll for bringing this up, that is ridiculous. I just got the alert in MIRT that said someone got a hidden post here and I had to respond.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)And Rev Al, don't get me started on him. He has quite a few snappy one-liners, but that doesn't paper over the cracks in his character.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)Why?
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)He would send innocent men to prison for his fame. Let us not pretend he's unjustly criticized.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)I don't remember any indictments.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)If he had his way, they would be rotting in prison for a crime they didn't commit!
rdharma
(6,057 posts)Names? I thought not!
ceonupe
(597 posts)And his support of it to be a total lie.
Just like duke lacrosse
Dr. Strange
(25,920 posts)Why are you bringing up RW talking points!!!1!!1
ceonupe
(597 posts)Was friends with 2 members of the team.
And the lady that claimed rape lied and then later assaulted her boyfriend and set his stuff on fire almost burning down part of her place. And then finally as stabbed and killed another man and is facing murder charges.
But yeah rev al jumped the shark on that one as well came to town and even after facts started coming out refused to back down. Those boys life's were ripped apart. Their season cancled. The DA lost his job and was disbarred and race relations were set further back.
On a personal note when I was young I was accused of assaulting a young teen girl. It was false an I was luck that some of her friends came forward and told the truth. I was never charged only questioned once in which case I was represented by the best attorney we could afford. It was all a lie. That same girl years later apologized via a random email I got when in college she had gotten hooked on drugs and alc and was in a treatment program part of their treatment was to contact people they did wrong and apologize. I forgave her but I will never forget.
Dr. Strange
(25,920 posts)I was just being facetious and rdharmaey.
ceonupe
(597 posts)I see.
Sorry
Boudica the Lyoness
(2,899 posts)That is why.
jessie04
(1,528 posts)I cant look at Rev Al without thinking of Tawanna.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)vehicle to gather some celebrity for himself. If not for Tawana Brawley, Sharpton would still be an anonymous loudmouth that nobody ever heard of or listened to.
treestar
(82,383 posts)It seems odd that a judgment could be rendered against her. I remember about how kids are liable for their torts, but still, intent matters when it comes to torts.
badtoworse
(5,957 posts)How old was she when the judgment was made? If the tort was still continuing when she turned 21, why shouldn't she be personally liable?
treestar
(82,383 posts)And so there have to be statutes to make exceptions. My state has a statute making parents liable up to a dollar amount for certain types of cases, but there may also be an element where the parent has to be proven to have negligently supervised.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)when she was 16.
In July of 1998, after an eight-month trial, a jury found that Mr. Pagones had been defamed and awarded him a total of $345,000 damages from the three advisers: $185,000 from Mr. Mason, $95,000 from Mr. Maddox, and $65,000 from Mr. Sharpton.
Three months later, the judge who presided over that trial awarded Mr. Pagones an additional $185,000 from Ms. Brawley, but Mr. Pagones's lawyers have been unsuccessful in locating her or finding any assets she might have.
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/07/nyregion/adviser-in-tawana-brawley-case-pays-off-defamation-award.html
Boudica the Lyoness
(2,899 posts)I recall she kept defaming this chap for years afterwards, and so I had a quick Google gander and I found this;
"Shortly thereafter, Brawley appeared at a rally on December 2, 1997 in Brooklyn, New York, which was videotaped by Regional News Network and admitted in evidence as plaintiffs exhibit 35. At that rally she caustically referred to plaintiffs offer as a "bribe" and said she would not do anything to hurt her friend and attorney Mr. Maddox. She vocally maintained before a partisan audience that the things she said happened really did happen. The Court was appalled that Brawley would see fit to travel from the Washington, D.C. area to a rally in Brooklyn, but did not see fit to travel to Poughkeepsie to testify under oath before the jury".
There's more at this link. (I shall admit, at this point in time, I have only read a small portion of it).
http://www.nycourts.gov/press/old_keep/brawley.htm
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)was 15. she was sued when she was 16.
those are facts.
On October 6, 1988, the Abrams Grand Jury released its...report concluding that Tawana Brawley ("Brawley" had not been abducted...
Sometime thereafter, Steven A. Pagones ("Pagones" brought a defamation action against Alton H. Maddox, Jr., ("Maddox" C. Vernon Mason ("Mason" and Rev. Al Sharpton ("Sharpton" and also sought damages against Brawley. The claims in paragraphs 336 through 364 of the complaint against Brawley were based on her alleged responsibility for "the acts, statements, accusations spoken or committed by the defendants, Maddox, Mason and Sharpton" on her behalf...
Maddox, Mason and Sharpton all appeared in the action; however, Brawley failed to appear. On or about May 2, 1989 plaintiff moved for a default judgment against her...By decision dated May 6, 1991 Justice Beisner, noting that Brawley had attained majority, entered a default judgment against her on the issue of liability, reserving damages for future determination.
In establishing the amount of damages, the Court believes it would be inappropriate for the reasons noted to award a huge sum. On the other hand, Brawley is the one person most responsible for the false charges; therefore, the Court believes she should be held at least as accountable as Mr. Mason, the defendant held most responsible by the jury. Accordingly, the Court makes a punitive award in the amount of One Hundred Eighty Thousand Dollars ($180,000.00) against Brawley in favor of Pagones.
S. BARRETT HICKMAN, J.S.C.
DATED:October , 1998
Carmel, New York
http://www.nycourts.gov/press/old_keep/brawley.htm
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)rally was the *only* statement she had made since 1988.
and apparently she has made no statement since.
and in fact, pagones himself stated, after damages were assessed:
"Through her silence, she's as guilty of libel as Maddox, Mason and Sharpton,' he told the newspaper. 'The only way to hold her accountable at least at this stage is financially.'"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2252507/Tawana-Brawley-living-hiding-Virginia-25-years-historic-gang-rape-case-turned-hoax.html
treestar
(82,383 posts)Her defaulting means she did not fight back at all - so no wonder they get a judgment.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)they can be defendants. Which is strange. Then again generally they are judgment proof. Meaning you can get a judgment but you'll have a hard time collecting. Now she's a nurse, so they have a paycheck to garnish. I imagine she'll never have significant assets. Maybe write a book and make enough to pay them all off so she can buy a house - now she probably has no credit due to huge judgments against her.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)salary is $42K. she's 40. she will *never* pay it off, no matter how many no matter how many books she writes. most authors don't make much either.
all they've done is ruin her credit, which may lead to her becoming permanently unemployed.
all this for something she did when she was 15.
treestar
(82,383 posts)They have ruined her credit, but she seems to be employed, so that's not hopeless. There are laws limiting how much of a paycheck can be garnished, both state and federal. She may have to be a renter for life, or win the lottery. Or try to raise money from people who might sympathize. She was only 15, so why is this still around at 40? On the other hand, she needed to defend that case. She let it go by not appearing and letting them get a default judgment against her. She was 25 by then and that she was being sued for something she did when 15 could have led to a verdict less damaging.
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)he would forgive the judgment if she would admit the fraud
she still refuses
treestar
(82,383 posts)good for him.
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)like the others paid the cash to avoid having to actually admit to the fraud
johnny cochron paid the fines/judgments of everyone else involved
brawley was not a party to the original suit but she failed to appear in court and somehow this led to a judgment against her higher than anyone else involved
saddest part to me was while she may have not been used by a bunch of men and tossed away afterwards as she claimed she certainly was used by a bunch of men and then thrown away after her news value was gone
she was media raped
a young dumb girl who told too big of a story
treestar
(82,383 posts)a 15 year old, with that mother and step-father, and probably didn't intend for it to become a big deal - or didn't realize it would - Rev. Al may have contributed to that.
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)was used and I don't like blame the victim thinking
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)were determined.
On October 6, 1988, the Abrams Grand Jury released its...report concluding that Tawana Brawley ("Brawley" had not been abducted...
Sometime thereafter, Steven A. Pagones ("Pagones" brought a defamation action against Alton H. Maddox, Jr., ("Maddox" C. Vernon Mason ("Mason" and Rev. Al Sharpton ("Sharpton" and also sought damages against Brawley. The claims in paragraphs 336 through 364 of the complaint against Brawley were based on her alleged responsibility for "the acts, statements, accusations spoken or committed by the defendants, Maddox, Mason and Sharpton" on her behalf...
Maddox, Mason and Sharpton all appeared in the action; however, Brawley failed to appear. On or about May 2, 1989 plaintiff moved for a default judgment against her...By decision dated May 6, 1991 Justice Beisner, noting that Brawley had attained majority, entered a default judgment against her on the issue of liability, reserving damages for future determination.
(See that? she was sued in 1989 but they *waited* until she was 18 to enter a default judgment because she didn't appear, & reserved the issue of damages.)
In establishing the amount of damages, the Court believes it would be inappropriate for the reasons noted to award a huge sum. On the other hand, Brawley is the one person most responsible for the false charges; therefore, the Court believes she should be held at least as accountable as Mr. Mason, the defendant held most responsible by the jury. Accordingly, the Court makes a punitive award in the amount of One Hundred Eighty Thousand Dollars ($180,000.00) against Brawley in favor of Pagones.
S. BARRETT HICKMAN, J.S.C.
DATED:October , 1998
Carmel, New York
http://www.nycourts.gov/press/old_keep/brawley.htm
treestar
(82,383 posts)Statute of Limitations for a plaintiff minor does not start to run until they turn 18. Maybe filing an answer to the complaint is not due until 30 days after the minor turns 18. So she defaulted as an adult and they entered the judgment against her. Not that turning 18 suddenly makes you able to handle litigation, but she would have known by then the suit was pending. Should have gotten legal advice, filed an answer and argued liability, but likely losing on that, argue the amount of the damages.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)became an adult. so she was not in 'default' on that matter.
There is something very shady about the whole thing. Sue her when she's 15-16, make the verdict when she's 18, determine the damages when she's 25.
branford
(4,462 posts)First, you do not seem to consider the tremendous damage she inflicted on the plaintiffs, both economic and psychological.
Second, any 15 year old certainly knows that it is not acceptable to falsely accuse someone of rape or create a false narrative leading to a media spectacle.
Third, her actions make actual victims of rape less likely to be believed. (That one really steams me!)
Fourth, her behavior did incalculable damage to race relations in our country.
Fifth, the wage garnishment laws in NY only permit a certain percentage of each paycheck to go to the plaintiffs. She will definitely feel the financial impact, but she will not be destitute.
I find it hard to feel any sympathy for her.
Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)She might not have lost the lawsuit.
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)(If indeed they are true), I think Rev. Al is a genuine and wiser person today. Just from the way he speaks of inclusiveness and joining forces with all races today, it is obvious he is not out to get "whitey."
He is a tremendously inspiring force today and I'm not judging someone by what they might have done, but were never personally convicted for, 25 years ago.
blueknight
(2,831 posts)BUT he just hopped on the obama band wagon and used his friendship to enrich himself financially. do you honestly think he would be on MSNBC if mccain and palin won? of course he wouldnt.
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)You can say that about every MSNBC host, if you wanted.
So what's your agenda with Al?
blueknight
(2,831 posts)he is and always has been an opportunist and race baiter. And among other things he has always been a homophobe. He is a big phony and about as much a "reverend " as i am.
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)are you reaching for your profile of Al?
I am more concerned with who someone is today:
http://thegrio.com/2013/03/27/rev-al-sharpton-on-gay-marriage-debate-equality-includes-everyone/
Is all your information on Al Sharpton culled from The Morton Downey Jr. Show?
Are you going to tell me about Al's "mob connections" next?
blueknight
(2,831 posts)he knows not to shit where he sleeps! he is pandering to the people who sign his checks. a leopard cant change their spots, sorry!
rdharma
(6,057 posts)... if there wasn't a racial motive involved?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)rdharma
(6,057 posts)OMG!
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)And making a fool out of themselves in the process with this playground behavior.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)in this thread.
Response to hrmjustin (Reply #136)
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hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)You just went over the line with me.
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)And would love to see the results. I wasn't taking his bait
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)I didn't think about that thanks.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)oh wait, there don't seem to be any of those.
big surprise.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)when they show you that it's news from today, you act like that is obvious. It's not everyone else,it's you that is not making sense.
TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)... I don't like the cut of your jib.
Don't get too comfortable with that little 3461 post buffer. It ain't all that.
You're throwing a whole lot of shit at a longtime DUer. If I were you, I'd cool it! But hey, that's just me.
TYY
rdharma
(6,057 posts)You calling me names? Accusing me of being a "Communist"? Errr merrr Gerrrd!
TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)Did you read something into that?
My point is that I like The Straight Story and I kinda' don't care much for you, today.
And, just a word of advice... about the rofl smilie... Overkill, dude!
TYY
rdharma
(6,057 posts)You think I have red hair?
TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)...'yer' tryin' to flame out. (Probably for an audience.) So go for it! Have fun. Enjoy the ride. I'm sure you've got a backup drawer full of replacements...
...(and more gratuitous ellipses for my new friend, Red Dharma...)
...
TYY
rdharma
(6,057 posts)TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)Oops...um...(more gratuitous ellipses)...yeah. Um, yes; that was just a rhetorical question. (Yay, tongue smiley.)
TYY... (Added 'inadvertent' rofl smiley + ellipses for dramatic, ironic effect...)
cpwm17
(3,829 posts)Now I'll make you the second member on my ignore list.
branford
(4,462 posts)His journey to repentance is far from complete. If the Brawley mess wasn't bad enough, his conduct during the Duke Lacross matter was similarly abominable. He is a narcissistic race hustler who has single-handedly set back race relations in this country.
I also feel no compassion or pity for Tawana. False accusations of rape ruin lives and reputations are rarely restored. She is lucky that she did not serve time in prison. People like her are used as justification by cretins for doubting the testimony of actual rape victims.
Just remembering this story makes my blood boil.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)Your motivation? What does rev Al have to do with anything relevant today?
They're coming out of the woodpile today!
branford
(4,462 posts)I like reading the news. As an attorney, I also find stories that involve legal matters of particular interest.
I also do not avoid a story simply because I might find it distasteful.
You are free to feel as wish about Rev. Al, Tawana Brawley or any another other person, entity, place or issue. Free speech is great. As Rev. Al is a very public figure, who directly profits from his celebrity as a television show host, I feel no need for restraint in offering my opinion of the man. It's not like he does not have access to the media to fight back.
Lastly, we are on an internet message board. Isn't the whole point of such an endeavor to offer comment and opinion just as we are doing now?
rdharma
(6,057 posts)Feel free to comment!
branford
(4,462 posts)I also find Kevin Zegers marital status of no interest or import, particularly as it relates to the OP. If you do, the Media forum might enjoy your insights.
As to your membership in the Bar, I'm Fordham Law '96, licensed in NY and NJ, and have been practicing commercial litigation in NYC since my admission. How about you?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)hidden by a jury.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Called himself a Reverend through the whole thing. Still does. Don't care for liars and slur mongers.
NewThinkingChance40
(289 posts)the evidence the grand jury used in their determination. You would think that somewhere there would be info about how they came to that decision. I am not doubting them, just like to see the facts before making any assumptions. Has anyone else been able to locate this info?
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)It details all the evidence.
NewThinkingChance40
(289 posts)NewThinkingChance40
(289 posts)seems like a lot of evidence was stacked against her. The fact that someone would make up such a story is beyond my realm of understanding. You would think that people would realize at some point that lying is always going to get you into more trouble than the truth.
branford
(4,462 posts)NewThinkingChance40
(289 posts)branford
(4,462 posts)Often, the initial lie or complaint is to cover-up an indiscretion, such as cheating on a spouse or significant other, conduct that would appall your family and friends, sexual embarrassment, etc. Admitting such an error is always extremely difficult. If you have become a media spectacle, with interests other than you own pressuring you to maintain your story for their own purposes, and recantation subjecting you to legal liability and permanent public ridicule in the age of the internet, rationale decision-making becomes nearly impossible.
PennsylvaniaMatt
(966 posts)What Tawana Brawley did to Steve Pagones was reprehensible and disgusting, which greatly damaged his reputation. Also, because of this case, I have very little respect for Al Sharpton, along with most of the Hudson Valley, and that feeling is held among as many Democrats as Republicans that I know.
This is not a political issue. She should face the consequences of her actions.
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)Last edited Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:51 AM - Edit history (1)
... women who make false rape claims like this not only cause life-changing damage to the persons they accuse, but to a lot of other women who may be afraid to come forward in genuine rape cases.
GiaGiovanni
(1,247 posts)Especially when these are high profile cases
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)rdking647
(5,113 posts)because of this case and sharptons refusal to apologize i have absolutely no respect for him.
in my view he is as bad as limbaugh,hannity and the other RW fucks.
HolyMoley
(240 posts)At the very least, her enablers, manipulators, mouthpieces and co-conspirators should be
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)The fine plus time to be served working at a rape crisis or battered women's shelter. She needs to learn first hand that this is not a game.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)She falsely accused someone of rape.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)It amazes me that so many people hold Al Sharpton in such high regard.
The Link
(757 posts)I think he influenced this woman when she was a child. He should be paying.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)It's as relevant, as topical, as sincere, and as important in the here and now as was this impacting news story...
...which was also quite vociferously defended upon appearance and rather righteously justified by many people.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)how shocking nothing to do with race, mind you...nothing at all...until NOW when i brought it up