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some on this site.
http://www.forwardprogressives.com/inform-a-republican-under-obama-were-off-to-our-best-private-sector-job-growth-since-1999/
Heres a fact most Republicans wont want to hearyet they cant dispute (just ask Politifact): In the first half of 2013, were off to our best private-sector job growth since 1999.
Which is funny, considering all Republicans have told Americans since Obama became President was how awful hes been for jobs. But then again, as Ive said plenty of times, fact and Republican arent two words that often go together.
And despite the fact weve had this 14-year high in job growth for the first half of the year, Republicans continue to perpetuate this myth that President Obama has been terrible for job growth and Obamacare is a jobs destroyer.
disidoro01
(302 posts)a mixed bag. Please read this report: http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.htm
We have a lot of work to do. Hours continue to drop but wages fluctuate. We also have to get people back into the workforce in full time employment, not part time areas. Also, we can't expect to grow the economy on the back of the leisure and service sector, we have to grow tech and manufacturing.
I'm not saying the President has done horrible but the picture is not rosy at all, many people are suffering needlessly and in that aspect.
He is fully to blame for not going after the banking industry. Those dollars stolen, those houses stolen have destroyed too many lives.
Maraya1969
(22,497 posts)disidoro01
(302 posts)Celebrate illegal foreclosures that are barely reigned in? In many places not reigned in at all. People's entire retirements destroyed by bankers who are not even admonished for doing so.
If you are willing to break down the part time vs. full time work number and post them, i will cheer the president for pulling us up by our boot straps. Are you willing to criticially look at the job the president is doing?
When you put celebrate in your post, it tells me this is more about your feels or him as a personality than the job he does. That is nuts. Again not fully his fault and he hasn't been horrible but if pressure isn't applied, he won't do anything.
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)TekGryphon
(430 posts)... we'd quickly become conservatives.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)hfojvt
(37,573 posts)it would sorta be nice if the Democratic Party got some credit for those jobs, instead of just our lame duck President that many people hate.
That's why when I talked about it, I called it the "Democratic recovery". http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021566043
So it might help the whole party and not just one man.
Maraya1969
(22,497 posts)a village.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)that seems to think that being a progressive means always having to see the dark side of everything. There is no prosperity in America - only poverty and misery. The "real" poverty rate? Why it is 50%, if not 75%. The "real" unemployment rate? Why it's 27%.
And sure maybe a wise-a$$ like hfojvt has a job making $30,000 a year and has some money in the bank, and he has an interstate running through his front yard and he thinks he's got it so good, but it is only a matter of time before the economy gets worse and he loses his job, or he gets really sick and gets thrown into desperate poverty. Just wait, it is gonna happen.
To them, America is always like a fleabag hotel that is on fire and in the middle of Hell's kitchen in a cess pool.
And that's on a good day.
Maraya1969
(22,497 posts)making low wages still seem to enjoy a lot of things that one would consider as being "prosperous". There would not be so many nail places if the average woman and man weren't getting manicures and pedicures on a regular basis. Everyone has a fancy assed cell phone and a computer and hair extensions and new cars are all over the road. Disney land is still packed even though it is over $100 to get into one theme park and God knows how much if you want to eat. We take our pets to the vet now, when I was a kid we never had that expense because you just never took your dog to the vet. Most people have at least basic cable and internet.
I don't live on that much money but for the life of me I never feel poor! I'm not stupid with my money like I see some people are. I always try to get the best deal for everything. The people that I know that are really poor are spending their money on drugs, alcohol, and gambling. And I am not saying they are the only poor, just the only ones I see.
That is not to say that I think our wages are OK. Far from it. And I am glad there is a growing discussion about wages now.
This place is really starting to get me down. I post something positive about our president and get wacked up side the head by 30 people! At least I'm glad I'm not that negative.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)then I get replies and that seems even worse
but your post reminded me of this
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023295291
Maraya1969
(22,497 posts)sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)you bemoan is called reality.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)This isn't the BOG.
Maraya1969
(22,497 posts)AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)...as I sit here waiting to hear about an interview I had last week for a permanent full-time position. As time passes, and the phone doesn't ring, I can pretty much guess what the answer is: More temporary work for me, and self-payment of benefits and other expenses. So, hell yeah, I'm !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Disclaimer: As I said in a reply downthread, I'm not pissing on Obama: I'm just seeing things as they are, and I apologize if I can't join in the cheering over a "recovery" that is anemic at best and practically non-existent at worst.
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)stolen by the banks, the answer is not just no, but hell no. Obama has done nothing to punish those responsible for this rape of the American people. So I'm not about to sing his praises for a bunch of shitty-ass, part-time, low-wage "jobs" being created on his watch. Whoo fucking hoo. Economic slavery for everyone!
Oh and that whole NSA spying thing. Yeah, way to go Obama.
obama2terms
(563 posts)But would you rather have Obama or Romney? Those were our only choices in the 2012 election, and frankly Obama was the better choice by FAR. I've been very un easy about Obama lately ( due to the spying by the NSA) but then I received a nearly 300 dollar rebate (due to Obamacare) next to the 850 dollar one we received last year ( my family was REALLY being screwed by the insurance company we were with) and it made me pretty thankful that Romney is not our current president. I wouldn't have all this extra money in my pocket if Romney was POTUS as well as a score of other things. When you think about it, as far as presidents go, things could be A LOT worse!
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)party over here!
Stupid 47% 'ers. They should be grateful, but no.
You go, Maraya!!
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Really?
Should we bake him a cake? I thought he couldn't really do anything, He's not a dictator or a god ya know....that's what we get told every time he and washington moves to the right. Then he's impident. But a bunch of half time job gets added and you want us to throw him a party.
Maraya1969
(22,497 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)I'm going to send you off to ignore so I don't do anything more to upset your fragile little world.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)The President of the United States is just the chief executive officer of one branch of government and an employee of the American people, not the Messiah.
Maraya1969
(22,497 posts)I am getting so I can't stand this place. Haters all over the place just looking to stomp on other people.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)nothing that fancy. I just go to birthday parties. Usually, when those who took your word don't trust you anymore, there's a reason, and it's not about hate.
Koios
(154 posts)Well said.
moonlady0623
(193 posts)we can all keep the rosy glasses on and celebrate a bunch of low pay part time jobs or we can insist that something really helpful be done.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)the restaurants are full, the grocery stores are full, Walmarts are full and I see more people spending money on vacations, family outings etc. The airlines are making a sinful amount of money on luggage both hand carry and other. The pharmacies have lines and on-line business for pharmaceuticals is booming. AND corporations are making record profits with huge increases over an already high base from last year. Oh, and there are so many automobiles on the road there are traffic jams every morning. (And no one wants to hear that or deficits have been slashed)
So what is the real problem with the economy? Nothing but Obama being in office.
Maraya1969
(22,497 posts)destination and snowbird home. We get a big influx of people for the winter. I can just imagine what it's going to be like.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)People spending their money on food! Who EVER woulda thought??
disidoro01
(302 posts)a small view. You see full stores in your area and that means the economy is going full bore? Corporations are raking in money but not much reaches the working poor. Class disparity continues to grow unabated.
Costs continue to grow and because I point out that things are not great, I have a problem.
Please read the BLS report for a better view.
So, people are using cash or debit in all of these stores you are in? Any chance they are using credit. Annualized growth in CC balances are around 10%.
Maraya1969
(22,497 posts)humanity the wage disparity is the worst. But I also see fast food workers walking out and Walmart workers walking out and other small signs that this too is going to pass.
Because there are still problems in our society does not mean we have to take a partial view all the time and only look at our society with a black lens.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)taking the partial view? geez
Maraya1969
(22,497 posts)moonlady0623
(193 posts)is this a political discussion group or a Democratic fan club?
Maraya1969
(22,497 posts)progressoid
(49,999 posts)It's not "nothing more than Obama being in office". It's that the "recovery" is taking us into a more harsh plutocracy.
BillyRibs
(787 posts)that usually sports 12,000 to 15,000 well it was no surprise to me when just a little over 9,000 show up, most tell me they don't have the money to spend. that tells me cash is still tight. Must be those well meaning Minimum wage jobs cause I don't see it on my level. Supermarkets will always have people in them, Cloths are still a necessity, I don't shop at wally world, so I can't say anything about them. But Most of My friends and family are still Damned near broke and trying to get by. I call B.S. and say Minimum wage jobs are not enough.
are not right. geez
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Koios
(154 posts)Job growth is primarily in the low-paying service sector, and Obama so far is not leading on the minimum wage issue. He paid lip service in 2010, saying he'd work to raise it above $11/hr in 2011 (nada). Then in January of this year, more lip service, and astonishingly, only suggesting $9 / hr.
So our middle class' earnings, in Real Dollars, continue to shrink; and about the only thing growing the GDP is population and inflation. No real policies advanced which do anything other than create some jobs, for a time (until the spending ends).
The cause of the problem, IMO, is Obama has surrounded himself with Capitalists, i.e. Geithner and others like him. So the emphasis remains focused on income from Capital, which is having a hey-day, and not income from Labor, which continues a dangerous downward trend. I wish Obama would at least do what Clinton did: listen to folks like Reich and Stieglitz, at least half the time.
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)is that fucking repukes refuse to have anything to do with passing a jobs bill.
Grow the fuck up.
Koios
(154 posts)Now then, presidents are elected to lead. Reagan did, and Tip O'Neill ate crow. Clinton did, and Newt Gingrich had to look for a day job.
Obama is not leading on this issue. And his key economic advisors are all Wall Street Capitalists, in case you're wondering why income from Capital is doing just fine, and in fact thriving, while the middle class sucks wind.
So if Obama were to do more than merely give lip service to a higher FMW, maybe blaming Republicans (a word more nauseating than "repukes" would be okay. But even then, why could Reagan whip the great Tip O'Neill, and Clinton whip Gingrich after the uber successful Contract With American strategy? Answer: LEAD!! Play hard ball. Do not flinch first in the game of chicken. Grow a pair, Mr. President, and do what elected you to do. Change stuff. Don't just talk about change. That's campaigning, and not leading as president.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Sorry you got a sour reception, we're not every one of us that nasty.
Koios
(154 posts)Thanks, Fumesucker. And no sweat on some crap being flung in my direction. One of the nice things about being grown up is we can handle it.
Best,
-K
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Phlem
(6,323 posts)Welcome to DU, I see you've encountered the happy bunch. I hope you stay, there are a lot of good folk here.
-p
Divernan
(15,480 posts)It's not that I'm personally shocked by obscene language - it's just a fact that spouting the F word does not strengthen your post. We do not operate on a "Whomever shouts the loudest, or spouts the most obscenities, wins the debate." And you also lower the general tone of the board.
Maraya1969
(22,497 posts)the country to do so. They have blocked all jobs bills, including one put forth from the president to stop tax breaks for companies sending work overseas.
People here are so quick to through our own under the bus. Obama is not the enemy. And if you lose sight of who your enemy is you will lost the war.
Then again as I am writing this I think maybe the repukes have been winning. They have got so many democrats to turn against one another. They wanted to ruin this president and all you have to do is look at DU to see that it is working.
Koios
(154 posts)... but he may not be the friend we think him to be.
Obamacare, so called, maybe gets a pass, even if it is little more than a gift to private insurers, with scant price containment mechanisms. The Scott Brown debacle in MA was a game-changer, and grabbing onto the junk Senate-passed bill may have been the best last option, even if a Blue Dog/Lieberman piece of junk based on Romneycare, which itself came from the righty think-tank, Heritage Foundation, was all the bill was. But, Obama caved too easily to insurance industry lobbyists, and did not fight nearly strong enough for the Public Option.
Meanwhile, TARP funds were distributed no-strings attached, since Obama bonded most closely with Geithner, and sidelined non-Wall Street economists, such as Robert Reich. And Geithner still remains Obama's closest advisor, and is a pure Wall Street income from Capital guy. So while paying lip service to the Minimum Wage, Obama is working overtime to lower Corporate Taxes and grow income from Capital, which is not just channeling Bush 43, but doing him one better.
And FTLG, he lobbied strongly to extend Bush Tax Cuts, and did not repeal them as promised in 2008.
The spying program has been scaled up, and not shut down as promised.
We need change. We need to demand change. Talking about change during an election changes nothing.
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)leftstreet
(36,112 posts)Where are the huge infrastructure projects and large manufacturing and service contracts putting people to work?
When's the last time a mall added sq footage to accommodate growing population? How many people in your neighborhood have a savings acct?
A new WalMart, a cheesy apartment complex, and 3 new fast foods restaurants doesn't tell much of a story..other than people using expendable cash and credit for food, clothing and shelter.
In truth, Walmarts and fast food joints are on the rise, because they serve markets with less disposable income. Walmart obviously is the choice of folks on tighter budgets. Fast food, too, has evolved to a point that it feeds a family more cheaply than healthy foods at the grocery store. Moreover, with dual incomes needed to barely make ends meet, preparing a healthy family dinner is often not an option.
We need to raise wages; it worked once before. Once was a time that common labor in factories was the burger flipper of its day. Then they demanded more pay, for less work even (5 day work week). Now we miss those jobs, which is stupid in fact. What we really miss is their paychecks. Raise service worker pay to a level that small businesses can thrive selling stuff to workers, and problem solved.
In short, our value is not the work we do, per se. It's what we make, and spent back into the economy. Proof of that is in the fact that we haven't least bit of problem getting work done; in fact, there's a glut of people wanting to do the work. The problem is too few customers coming into store, and spending their paychecks.
And the irony is, no fancy Billion Dollar spending programs are needed. Just change the law, from $7.25 to about $12 / hr. And since that would move people from "working poor" to "tax payers," government in fact would get more money, and not spend more money, on Band-Aid nonsense (creates jobs only as long as the spending lasts). Conversely, a higher wage minimum is self sustaining; it raises consumption, and actually grows the market that Capitalist invest in. If enterprises have a market for their stuff, Capitalist flock to invest in them faster than cops respond to a hold up at Dunkin Donuts.
Grow the middle class, and all else prospers right along with it. But we're doing stuff exactly backward. Focus on Capital, as if somehow investors will willy-nilly invest it, without regard for whether they're a customer out there who can buy whatever it is they're selling.
It's just plain stupid, and pure supply-side hogwash, which Obama has fallen victim of.
Teamster Jeff
(1,598 posts)Absolutely nothing to brag about
Harmony Blue
(3,978 posts)at this point.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)In other words ...this was going to happen no matter who the POTUS was or is.
and romshit would have sent a lot of these 'shitty' jobs to other countries and further impoverished americans. Doesn't matter in this case. Yes a job is a job, but can a person making a non livable wage cover costs for rent payments, utilities, kids clothes(even from salvation army stores ect) food, gasoline, car note, insurance, and the myriad hidden costs of living in this society? HELL NO!!!! Real manufacturing has to be regained by american policy makers and corporations which will never happen. Those two entities care nothing about the citizen where the 'bottom line' is concerned.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)The first three months of 2013 saw wages fall 3.8 percent the largest drop in hourly pay in the 65-year history of that statistic despite an increase in worker productivity. With high unemployment freeing employers from fears that their employees will turn elsewhere, the U.S. recovery has been marked by a decoupling of rising productivity from stagnant wages.
The gloomy milestone partly reflects the predominance of low-wage service jobs in the slow, steady streak of job growth since the recession. Increasing the minimum wage, as progressives in Congress hope to do, could help counter downward wage pressures at the bottom of the earnings ladder.
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/06/07/2121581/first-quarter-of-2013-saw-largest-wage-drop-ever/
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)...things keep tripping me up
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)Harmony Blue
(3,978 posts)now to ensure no one is close to 30 hours.
The economy is worse off while wall street is better off. Shocked I tell you.
liberal N proud
(60,344 posts)Whenever they mention Obama, they always fallow-up with some statement about him being a failure or worst President.
KharmaTrain
(31,706 posts)...cause any credit he's given refutes some previous rushpublican action. If the economy improves, it puts a light on the abuses that occured under the dubya regime...or if he removes troops from Afghanistan or Iraq that highlights the illegal invasions, poor planning and overall criminality of the previous regime. The perception must be that things are bad or worse despite facts that prove otherwise if the rushpublicans are to ever have any chance to win elections...
Cheers...
Maraya1969
(22,497 posts)Obama apart.
I think some people are just miserable and like to spread it around.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)administration is, even as a President who has continued some of bushmonkey's policies, light years ahead of the previous administration. Yet he has proven himself a typical politician in that he promised and did not deliver. Yes I voted for him, twice, but I am disappointed in his appointments, his clintonesque cabinet, his 'compromises'. Yes, he has had an uphill climb since gaining office but he has stopped climbing in my opinion. I know all politicians promise the universe, yet only deliver a planet. Hey, I'm a political realist. Been that way from the beginning, will be that way till the end......yet in spite of the RW obstruction and obvious racism, I wish our President wouldn't have been so worried about being seen as an angry black man. Hell, by 47% who voted for romshit, he's seen as that and worse. So this term he should have had that asshole boner in his office, making him piss him self with fear of 'the man'. Reid, the same thing. Pelosi, same thing, Feinstein, oh wait, she and her hubby are too rich from from profit made off bush's illegal war to worry about our President's anger. No I wanted a tiger, to me it seem we got a cute little house tabby. Sorry, if that's too harsh, just the way I see it. If no better alternative showed up, like Dr. Elizabeth Warren, and Obama could run for another term, I'd have to vote for him again, not without reservation.
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)The jobs being created now pay much less than the jobs that were lost during the crashes. And the benefits are worse.
During the past decade the whole economy has been restructured in the interests of the super rich.
Working class families have lost income and lost value in their homes and other investments, like college degrees.
Obama is a god damn two-faced smooth talking salesman for the 1%. His polices are openly hostile to working class and middle class people in this country.
"Entitlement Reform".
Secretive "free trade" deals.
Bail outs for Wall Street while main street goes bust.
"Foaming the runway" for the banks by allowing them to destroy people's lives.
Surely you jest.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Very good satire of a leftwing Teabagger.
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)I thought tea-bagger was used to refer to the tea-party people ?
So what's a leftwing teasbagger?
Also why am seeing your posts
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)What kind of person says that Obama is destroying America?
Allen West.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/post/allen-west-obamas-economic-policies-are-destroying-the-black-community/2012/05/04/gIQA71S11T_blog.html
David Limbaugh
http://townhall.com/columnists/davidlimbaugh/2012/07/10/is_president_obama_intentionally_destroying_america/page/full
Glenn Beck
http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/09/19/is-barack-obama-destroying-america-in-an-attempt-to-create-fairness/
Sarah Palin
http://gothamist.com/2012/11/07/sarah_palin_tells_everyone_this_ele.php
Bill O'Reilly
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/07/bill-oreilly-unleashed-obamas-policies-could-destroy-the-entire-economic-infrastructure-of-the-country-video/
Ben Carson
Pat Boone:
http://www.westernjournalism.com/pat-boone-obama-purposely-destroying-america/
That's the kind of person who claims Obama and his policies are destroying America--crazy wingnuts. It's also part of the nutjob narrative that Obama is some kind of trojan horse designed to destroy America from within.
I believe that explains the leftwing Teabagger line.
Again, congrats on spoofing those nutjobs with your satire! Because only crazy people believe Obama is destroying America--no exceptions.
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)But for entirely different reasons than Sarah Palin and Bill O'Reilly.
Too bad you just lump anybody who dislikes Obama into the teabagger category.
It's overly simplistic and intellectually dishonest.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Most republicans dislike him, but only their nutjobs claim Obama is destroying America.
it's simply something that sane people do not believe. It is unfortunate that you make statements that sound like they came out of the mouth of Allen West and Glenn Beck, reflecting a similar thought process of insane hatred towards the President.
By all means, ask Skinner if "Obama's policies are destroying America" is the kind of rhetoric he wants to encourage around here.
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)The jobs being created now pay much less than the jobs that were lost during the crashes. And the benefits are worse.
During the past decade the whole economy has been restructured in the interests of the super rich.
Working class families have lost income and lost value in their homes and other investments, like college degrees.
Obama is a god damn two-faced smooth talking salesman for the 1%. His polices are openly hostile to working class and middle class people in this country.
"Entitlement Reform".
Secretive "free trade" deals.
Bail outs for Wall Street while main street goes bust.
"Foaming the runway" for the banks by allowing them to destroy people's lives.
Can't you just celebrate him ?
#post3
Surely you jest.
If you think this is coming the same attitude as Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin then you don't understand the first thing about American history, politics or economy.
Your "leftwing teabagger" comment is a divisive concocted fantasy. It's designed to confuse people and is basically saying that anybody who dislikes Obama must be nuts, or maybe racist
Obama is a two-faced spokesman for corporate America. He plays the good cop while the gop plays the bad cop. Either way, the American people lose.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)And it's still something only the batshit insane would say.
Not everyone who dislikes Obama is nuts. But the ones who say he and his actions/policies are destroying America ARE nuts, insane, batshit, crazy, loons, kooks, etc.
With no exceptions.
They make Ted Cruz and Rand Paul look well-adjusted.
Michelle Bachmann got fact-checked for making your argument.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/23/politics/truth-squad-bachmann-economy
"President Obama has embraced a view of government-directed temporary fixes and gimmicks. They don't work. He's destroyed the economy."The verdict:
-- Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann, during Thursday night's Republican presidential debate on Fox News.
False.
Go sit next to Alex Jones
http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&safe=active&q=obama+destroying+america+alex+jones&oq=obama+destroying+america+alex+jones&gs_l=hp.3..33i29i30.35101.36801.3.36942.13.11.1.0.0.0.250.1529.1j3j4.8.0....0...1c.1.23.psy-ab..21.28.5494.jX3cZy3fhwI&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.&bvm=bv.50165853,d.dmg&fp=9fb4aa7b22681b82&biw=1280&bih=773
Last word is yours, since rational discussion is not possible with you:
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)These policies are destroying America:
"Entitlement Reform".
Secretive "free trade" deals.
Bail outs for Wall Street while main street goes bust.
"Foaming the runway" for the banks by allowing them to destroy people's lives.
The teabaggers/fox news also thinks Obama is destroying America, but in an entirely different way.
They think he is a Kenyan socialist who wants to destroy America by turning it gay and giving everyone food stamps and free cell phones.
That is actually crazy.
That's a totally different way of destroying America that is really just a right wing fantasy.
Your comments lump legitimate dislike and distrust of Obama in with crazy hatred of Obama that is coming from the opposite political perspective.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)they publish the whole nation will be nothing but renters with a few part-time jobs.
I don't know about these people you listed (frankly, the only time I hear what they say is you and others re-publish their work here. I lost enough brain cells in the 60's and 70's, so I can't really afford to spend any time with them). But I do read every table and every page of every BLS report, and they make these policies look TERRIBLE!!
I mean, look at the totals so far this year...ALL of this is from the BLS! Nothing, NOT A WORD, about how grateful people should be for the scraps they get.
"Full time jobs? Down 240,000. And looking back at the entire year, so far in 2013, just 130K Full-Time Jobs have been added, offset by a whopping 557K Part-Time jobs"
Here.
Oh, sure, some want to blame it on Obamacare, but the BLS has been reporting the loss in full-time jobs for a lot longer than that, so it's clearly NOT just Obamacare. Do they think we are stupid? Do they think we don't know that there there are over 5,000,000 (yeah, million) less full-time jobs than we had in 2007, while the population has grown by 14,000,000 (yeah, million) people, with most of the effort in the economy going to help banks stay weatlhy, because that is GOOD for us? Do they think we can't read?
It would look a LOT better if the BLS would quit publishing their job statistics, I think.
Now I'm gonna go have coffee, 'cause tea sucks.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)will lead to worsening poverty, infrastructure that continues to deteriorate, and nearly overwhelming inequality between the few wealthy and the rest, which will lead to the destruction of democracy for scores of Americans.
In the reality-based America I live in, that means unless the direction is reversed it will not survive.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)They did not blame those trends on Obama's policies, nor did they say these trends would destroy America.
Because they're sane.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)decaffeinated coffee that are just as tasty as the real thing.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)was destroying America. Sorry you had to retreat from that claim, tail between legs.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)And, btw, it was the post AFTER mine, (Hint, since it seems needed -> It was yours <- ) that wrote your words.
I said if we keep on with a trend of replacing full-time jobs with part-time jobs as we have been doing since, roughly, early 2009, it will destroy democracy, and the country. And that is the case, until someone quits pointing fingers and stands up like a leader to fix it. Which doesn't mean making bankers richer, an apparently popular partisan belief.
They may not believe that on planet-where-ever-the-fuck-it-is (are your Internet charges outrageous?) but the rest of us in the real world with real hunger, homelessness, and unemployment are living it right now. It is getting worse for a lot of people, and unless they can recover, millions will be entering the next 10 years or more facing poverty.
But thanks for playing, rocket man.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)thinks the current reality is sustainable or even acceptable, sorry not that person.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"So what's a leftwing teasbagger?"
Just another village idiot who pretends to be more clever than those around him during his prophecies of a post-apocalyptic, dystopian fortune reading...
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)Why can't you just celebrate him?
Harmony Blue
(3,978 posts)Time for the some hard, cold truth.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)You must subscribe to the Orly Taitz concept of 'truth.'
Maraya1969
(22,497 posts)Maraya1969
(22,497 posts)limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)Crow73
(257 posts)All the wages are super low...
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)post-war era
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)any President's been stuck with in 80 years.
emulatorloo
(44,182 posts)I'd rather rant.
leftstreet
(36,112 posts)Hoping they'll fix things?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Not everything you read at DU is true, apparently.
leftstreet
(36,112 posts)Bernanke? Summers? Geithner?
Hello?
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Summers and Geithner were not Bush advisors.
You really need to educate yourself.
leftstreet
(36,112 posts)Enrique
(27,461 posts)but you are right that Summers and Geithner were not Bush advisers.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Bush didn't appoint Geithner.
Bernanke:
Earlier this week, Mr. Bernanke delivered testimony that should have made everyone in Washington sit up and take notice. True, it wasnt really a break with what he has said in the past or, for that matter, with what other Federal Reserve officials have been saying, but the Fed chairman spoke more clearly and forcefully on fiscal policy than ever before and what he said, translated from Fedspeak into plain English, was that the Beltway obsession with deficits is a terrible mistake.
First of all, he pointed out that the budget picture just isnt very scary, even over the medium run: The federal debt held by the public (including that held by the Federal Reserve) is projected to remain roughly 75 percent of G.D.P. through much of the current decade.
He then argued that given the state of the economy, were currently spending too little, not too much: A substantial portion of the recent progress in lowering the deficit has been concentrated in near-term budget changes, which, taken together, could create a significant headwind for the economic recovery.
Finally, he suggested that austerity in a depressed economy may well be self-defeating even in purely fiscal terms: Besides having adverse effects on jobs and incomes, a slower recovery would lead to less actual deficit reduction in the short run for any given set of fiscal actions.
So the deficit is not a clear and present danger, spending cuts in a depressed economy are a terrible idea and premature austerity doesnt make sense even in budgetary terms. Regular readers may find these propositions familiar, since theyre pretty much what I and other progressive economists have been saying all along. But were irresponsible hippies. Is Ben Bernanke? (Well, he has a beard.)
The point is not that Mr. Bernanke is an unimpeachable source of wisdom; one hopes that the collapse of Alan Greenspans reputation has put an end to the practice of deifying Fed chairmen. Mr. Bernanke is a fine economist, but no more so than, say, Columbias Joseph Stiglitz, a Nobel laureate and legendary economic theorist whose vocal criticism of our deficit obsession has nonetheless been ignored. No, the point is that Mr. Bernankes apostasy may help undermine the argument from authority nobody who matters disagrees! that has made the elite obsession with deficits so hard to dislodge.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/01/opinion/krugman-ben-bernanke-hippie.html
leftstreet
(36,112 posts)Sry about that
Why aren't you out celebrating the great economy?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Going on vacation in five days--will celebrate then.
leftstreet
(36,112 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)1) She was appointed to a five year term in 2006, and left in 2011.
2) She was much better while in office than some of Obama's actual appointees, such as the aforementioned Summers and Geithner.
leftstreet
(36,112 posts)I asked if Obama kept so many Bush people in hopes of improving the bad economy you claim he inherited.
Apparently you're not sure what his motives were and are
That's okay
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)took office.
That's like saying he 'kept' Scalia on the Supreme Court.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Note that it went up sharply after 1937, btw.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Unemployment peaked in 1933 at 25%. It then fell to 21% or so in 1934, stayed at above 15% every year until WWII, with the exception of 1937 where it dipped to 14.8%.
You're telling me that FDR being in office 7 years and only knocking 4% of the unemployment rate is a grand success?
Maraya1969
(22,497 posts)HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)George Bush 2. (2000).
whoop de doo break out the champagne.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)Seems like it's not only the republicans that don't want to hear any good news about jobs, it's the same old DU crowd that always seems to jump in, take over any threads that have some good news, and go about trashing the president!
It really is insane when people who claim to be democrats can't say anything nice about the president, all they can do is attack him.
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)Or does that matter? If a job is low paying and part time and/or temporary, then I really don't consider that progress. It's not being a bad Democrat, or trashing Obama, or siding with the GOP: It's called seeing it for what it really is.
Maraya1969
(22,497 posts)You bitch about Obama but the real thieves you say nothing about!
They could fix this in congress by making the CEO's and executives only make a certain percentage of the workers but I see republicans stomping up and down on it on the house floor.
California is making Walmart and other companies pay back the money that the state pays to supplement their workers.
Find an answer for this problem because this is the problem.
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)Do you not agree that most of the jobs that have been created have been those that will not provide a decent standard of living? We're supposed to be happy because the numbers look better?
And note: CEOs and other execs could give a flying FUCK what I think. I'm too busy trying to find meaningful, honest work in this so-called "improving" economy.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)If a person has run out of unemployment I am sure that they want just about any job they can get. The president, and the democrats, want to raise the national minimum wage, is that so bad? My nephew just went back to work as and equipment operator for $35.00 an hour, not to bad if you ask me.
And who's fault is it that things are so bad? Seems like the last president, George W. Bush, made a hell of a mess out of this country. Took it to the eye of disaster, and then left that mess for president Obama to fix, and like or not, he has been fixing it. Sure it could be better, but with republicans in control of the house, fighting everything he wants to do, not passing any jobs bills, and doing their best to sell everything off to their rich donors, I think the president has done pretty damned good!
Now as for the "seeing it as it really is comment", thats fine, but if all people here can do is trash the president, say he is a total failure, just like Bush and Reagan, blame him for everything that is going wrong instead of admitting those nasty republicans have a lot to do with the problems, and NEVER have anything good to say, I still say they aren't very good democrats! When they spout right wing talking points, libertarian talking points or the Paulbot talking points, again, not very good democrats, liberals or progressives if you ask me!
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)Because as much as you try to spin all this "progress," the fact of the matter is that a majority of the jobs that have been created are below subsistence level. That's been pointed out here and elsewhere ad nauseam. And as I noted in another post upthread, there is enough blame on BOTH sides of the aisle for this mess, as BOTH sides continue to pander to those who have the most influence in this country, and I'm not talking about you, me, or your nephew.
Congrats on his pay rate, by the way. I'm a temporary full-time worker who won't return to the job until October. I'm hoping to get some kind of raise then, but it won't be anywhere near $35 an hour, I can guarantee you that.
By all means cheer the job numbers. But all some of us ask is that you be honest about what they truly represent. That is all we're asking. But what I'm seeing here in some of these responses is akin to Marie Antoinette's cake reference.
And does being a "good Democrat" call for blind allegiance? Sorry, I'm not part of any group that demands that.
Thanks, though, for the civil reply.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)We all do, but I for one am no part of a bunch of doom and bloomers who only want to see the bad, never the good. If you want change how do you go about it? The president won't be running again, but next year a lot of people need to decide who they want in charge of congress. Sure to many they are all the same, but do you really think things can get any better if republicans continue to control the house, or if they also take control of the Senate? As I have sated that president wants to raise the minimum wage but can he do that if republicans control things?
Think about the state governments. In Washington state we have a minimum wage of $9.19. That may not be great, but it's better than many states especially those with republicans running things. Do you not think that in order to get the changes you want, higher wages, it would be a better chance if democrats were in charge and not republicans? If you have democrats that aren't working for the people, then vote for someone else who will.
I do not idolize anyone. The president has made sure that my daughter who has a pre-existing condition can get health insurance that she can afford. I appreciate that, but I do not idolize him. I do not agree with everything he has done, but all in all he is by far better than any republican, and a hell of a lot better than George W. Bush was.
I know people have it tough these days, I see it all the time. I see people that have a hard time paying their bills, but I also have seen some of them doing much better and can now catch up on those bills simply because they did find a job. As I said it could be a hell of a lot better, but not as long as republicans continue to fight every bill that might help the people and not the corporations, and that goes for some democrats that are doing the same thing. As I said the only way to change things is to vote in new people who will work for the people. It won't be easy but if we don't try, if we don't have some hope nothing will change.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)I approach DU sometimes as I would if I were a person interacting with a relative or associate suffering from some sort of mental distress.
Cha
(297,655 posts)that. It's called ODS.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)Wouldn't be so bad if once in a blue moon the nay sayers would actually say the president do something good, but constant trashing is just plain pathetic. Take over every thread that gives credit to the president for the good he has done, is also pathetic.
moonlady0623
(193 posts)list a few Somethings Good from oh say the last 6 months? Particularly something good that would actually benefit We the People? I voted for hope and change in 2008. It didn't happen.
Cha
(297,655 posts)Not. Gonna. Happen.
Criticizing is expected but, stupid attacks on PBO's Birthday greeting thread and blinders and denial on the good that has happened when the facts are presented is way beyond criticizing .. it's just nasty mean shit.
I don't expect them to "say anything nice" but, the gratuitious venom is what says everything about them and nothing about the President.
And, reeks of an agenda other than Democratic Principles.
Exactly. It seems like some here can only spew that venom no matter what, and that's pathetic. When they have to come in and highjack threads about the good the president has done, and spew their doom and gloom, yet get mad as hell when someone comes into one of their "anti Obama trashing threads" and actually says something positive, it really does say a lot about the poster.
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)low wage, part time McJobs as something we should be celebrating. Sorry, but we can do better than this. Way better.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)And if I am not mistaken the president and democrats are trying to raise the national minimum wage, but as long as democrats control the house, do you think that can happen? If democrats don't get out and vote in 2014 and you end up with a republicans, or worse yet teabaggers in charge of not only the house, but the senate, do you think things will get better? Do you think there will be more high paying jobs?
President Obama has accomplished a lot, and he doesn't get on TV everyday and brag about it, but when someone here on a board that is supposed to support democrats comes on to a thread that actually points how how much good has been accomplished, and then the same old gang of "doom and bloomers" jump and and take over the thread posting nothing but negative crap, well that's pathetic!
moonlady0623
(193 posts)that keeps ripping the paper bag off my head. I know plenty of folks who have sparkly eyes over Obama and don't believe he could ever do wrong. I find that to be immature idol worship. No President is all powerful, no President can accomplish all the campaign promises, I get that. But to celebrate *MORE JOBS!!!!* when in fact they are low paying part time dead end jobs that used to be where teenagers and folks wanting to earn a little extra went, while my adult children struggle to make ends meet with multiple part time jobs and low paying jobs, is complete denial to me. It mostly keeps Democrats from demanding that something be done!
Andy823
(11,495 posts)Yes pays is low but in reality the president and democrats want to increase the national minimum wage. Not good enough for you?
In reality people who no longer have unemployment can find work, it may not be as much as they want, but with no other income it will help. Don't you agree?
In reality the republicans are the ones who have stopped any bill from passing that would create jobs. Have you not seen that?
In reality you can actually go to any search engine and type in "Obama's accomplishments" and find all kinds of things he has done. Have you ever tried that?
In reality we would have gone over the cliff if we would have had a McCain presidency, and even worse everything that has been fixed since president Obama took office would have been bumped, the country would have been sold off to the highest bidders if we would now have a president Romney! That should scare the shit out of anyone if you ask me.
The reality is that my comments are about all those who can NEVER say anything good about the president, those who say he has accomplished nothing, he is a complete failure. Those are the ones who do not see reality.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)This new information will make their heads explode.
Maraya1969
(22,497 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)They can at least acknowledge when he does something and the outcome is positive. If I can, they can imo.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)tridim
(45,358 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)increses in cost of living expenses. Then we'll talk.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)Otherwise, it is a non-issue.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)but the ODS is strong in this thread.
Sid
shenmue
(38,506 posts)Shhhhhh.