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Never Forget: On this Day in 2001, Bush Ignored the Bin Laden Threat. (Original Post) riqster Aug 2013 OP
And some are critical of Obama over the current precautions. liberal N proud Aug 2013 #1
Amazing, isn't it? n/t Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #8
The system existing prior to 9/11 was apparently sufficient to detect and avert terrorism. Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #37
BUT BENGHAZI! Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #2
and sulfur..don't forget the sulfur SummerSnow Aug 2013 #3
Thinking about it, I have seen some images of Satan with goat horns riqster Aug 2013 #39
lol...may not a coincidence SummerSnow Aug 2013 #40
"Ignored" is being kind. quinnox Aug 2013 #4
Ignored we can prove. riqster Aug 2013 #15
Indeed Lonr Aug 2013 #20
You made that one count. Happy 5,000th leveymg Aug 2013 #5
Damn, that was # 5,000? riqster Aug 2013 #11
R#1 & K n/t UTUSN Aug 2013 #6
NSA documents show 9/11 warnings shared with, and IGNORED by, Bush. Octafish Aug 2013 #7
SOB's got away with it RobertEarl Aug 2013 #18
Good stuff, thanks! nt riqster Aug 2013 #41
The worst of all Presidents. Dawson Leery Aug 2013 #9
He was never a President. riqster Aug 2013 #10
Actually I don't hold W personally responsible jimlup Aug 2013 #19
No offense, but bush had no trouble taking the oath of office for the snappyturtle Aug 2013 #22
Yeah that's probably true jimlup Aug 2013 #24
Sorry I had to point that out but I hate the man and I couldn't let him snappyturtle Aug 2013 #26
Sorry I had to point that out but I hate the man and I couldn't let him snappyturtle Aug 2013 #27
And because of that small oversight... kentuck Aug 2013 #12
History of the 21st Century in a paragraph. riqster Aug 2013 #13
You know what Bush actually said that day? ''All right. You've covered your ass.'' Octafish Aug 2013 #14
Never forget: Osama was a CIA asset and the bin Laden family were close friends of US power. delrem Aug 2013 #16
that's right, riqster.. I had forgotten. August 6, 2001! Cha Aug 2013 #17
You can call Greenwald what you like but he isn't stupid. snappyturtle Aug 2013 #23
Yeah, he's stupid for pushing Propaganda. If bush had paid Cha Aug 2013 #28
Really? nt snappyturtle Aug 2013 #29
Really. Cha Aug 2013 #30
Yep. snappyturtle Aug 2013 #34
Oh believe me Satan has a special place in hell reserved for the BFEE. Initech Aug 2013 #21
. blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #25
Transcript of Aug 6, 2001 PDB..."Bin Laden determined to strike in US... MrMickeysMom Aug 2013 #31
"All right," he said. "You've covered your ass, now." arely staircase Aug 2013 #32
No, rigster, I will never forget, either. Aug 6 will forever be the anniversay of "PDB" Day. sueh Aug 2013 #33
True. But on August 5, DUers roundly ridiculed news of a threat. Dreamer Tatum Aug 2013 #35
Interesting. riqster Aug 2013 #36
And on the 7th Day (of his record-shattering vacation spree) George AWOL Bush took to the links Berlum Aug 2013 #38
 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
37. The system existing prior to 9/11 was apparently sufficient to detect and avert terrorism.
Wed Aug 7, 2013, 06:31 AM
Aug 2013

It was ignored (on purpose or through incomparable incompetence).

The present trillion-dollar-a-year "surveillance state" is nothing more than a pig's trough of contractors sucking up our tax dollars (ala' what Halliburton did in Iraq:

Halliburton bills taxpayers $45 per case of soda, $100 per bag of laundry
http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/news/whistleblower_hearings_denied.html

only it's being done to sell drones and security tech and to militarize police and to FUCKING SPY ON US CITIZENS WITHOUT WARRANTS.

Fuck the surveillance state and its cash lackeys who are killing the Bill of Rights for power and profit!


Meet the Contractors Turning America's Police Into a Paramilitary Force

http://www.alternet.org/meet-contractors-turning-americas-police-paramilitary-force?paging=off

The national security state has an annual budget of around $1 trillion. Of that huge pile of money, large amounts go to private companies the federal government awards contracts to. Some, like Lockheed Martin or Boeing, are household names, but many of the contractors fly just under the public's radar. What follows are three companies you should know about (because some of them can learn a lot about you with their spy technologies).

L3 is everywhere. Those night-vision goggles the JSOC team in Zero Dark Thirty uses? That's L3. The new machines that are replacing the naked scanners at the airport? That's L3. Torture at Abu Ghraib? A former subsidiary of L3 was recently ordered to pay $5.28 million to 71 Iraqis who had been held in the awful prison.

Oh, and drones? L3 is on it. Reprieve, a UK-based human rights organization, earlier this month wrote on its Web site:

“L-3 Communications is one of the main subcontractors involved with production of the US’s lethal Predator since the inception of the programme. Predators are used by the CIA to kill ‘suspected militants’ and terrorise entire populations in Pakistan and Yemen. Drone strikes have escalated under the Obama administration and 2013 has already seen six strikes in the two countries.”

Rise of the Warrior Cop: The Militarization of America's Police Forces
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/radley-balko/

But why militarize our police forces if Ray Kelly would lead them (DHS controls PDs through "iWatch&quot ?


“I think Ray Kelly is one of the best there is,” Obama said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/she-the-people/wp/2013/07/18/would-obama-consider-ray-kelly-for-homeland-security-amid-stop-and-frisk-controversy/

However:

Occupy Wall Street ‏@OccupyWallStNYC

Secret police recordings: "We're going to go out there and violate some rights." Disgusting.
#StopAndFrisk
http://ow.ly/ncTK0

NYC 'Stop and Frisk' Policy Ruled Unconstitutional
http://www.policymic.com/articles/22375/nyc-stop-and-frisk-policy-ruled-unconstitutional-conservatives-immediately-start-whining

Racial Profiling Muslims: NYPD is Violating Civil Liberties by Spying on Religious Groups
http://www.policymic.com/articles/24817/racial-profiling-muslims-nypd-is-violating-civil-liberties-by-spying-on-religious-groups

"Every year since 2003, blacks and Latinos have consistently accounted for around 85 percent of stop-and-frisk selectees."
http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2013/07/01/mayor_bloomberg_stop_and_frisk_yes_the_controversial_policy_is_really_really.html




Further reading:

CIA Agent Had "No Limitations" Working With NYPD After 9/11
http://gothamist.com/2013/06/27/cia_agent_had_no_limitations_workin.php

How LAPD are made into a tentacle of the DHS
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022154200

Bringing the argument home about domestic spying (Look no further than the Los Angeles Police Dept.)

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10023101984

How America's Top Tech Companies Created the Surveillance State
http://www.nationaljournal.com/magazine/how-america-s-top-tech-companies-created-the-surveillance-state-20130725

With Edward Snowden on the run in Russia and reportedly threatening to unveil the entire “blueprint” for National Security Agency surveillance, there’s probably as much terror in Silicon Valley as in Washington about what he might expose. The reaction so far from private industry about the part it has played in helping the government spy on Americans has ranged from outraged denial to total silence. Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg, he of the teen-nerd hoodie, said he’d never even heard of the kind of data-mining that the NSA leaker described—then fell quiet. Google cofounder Larry Page declared almost exactly the same thing; then he shut up, too. Especially for the libertarian geniuses of Silicon Valley, who take pride in their distance (both physically and philosophically) from Washington, the image-curdling idea that they might be secretly in bed with government spooks induced an even greater reluctance to talk, perhaps, than the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which conveniently forbids executives from revealing government requests for information.

But the sounds of silence from the tech and telecom sectors are drowning out a larger truth, one that some of Snowden’s documents might well supply in much greater detail. For nearly 20 years, many of these companies—indeed most of America’s biggest corporate sectors, from energy to finance to telecom to computers—have been doing the intelligence community’s bidding, as America’s spy and homeland-security agencies have bored their way into the nation’s privately run digital and electronic infrastructure. Sometimes this has happened after initial resistance, and occasionally under penalty of law, but more often with willing and even eager cooperation. Indeed, the private tech sector effectively built the NSA’s surveillance system, and got rich doing it.

Books have been written about President Eisenhower’s famous farewell warning in 1961 about the “military-industrial complex,” and what he described as its “unwarranted influence.” But an even greater leviathan today, one that the public knows little about, is the “intelligence-industrial complex.”

The saga of the private sector’s involvement in the NSA’s scheme for permanent mass surveillance is long, complex, and sometimes contentious. Often, in ways that appeared to apply indirect pressure on industry, the NSA has demanded, and received, approval authority—veto power, basically—over telecom mergers and the lifting of export controls on software. The tech industry, in more than a decade of working-group meetings, has hashed out an understanding with the intelligence community over greater NSA access to their systems, including the nation’s major servers (although it is not yet clear to what degree the agency had direct access). “I never saw come and say, ‘We’ll do this if you do that,’ ” says Rebecca Gould, the former vice president for public policy at Dell. “But the National Security Agency always reached out to companies, bringing them in. There are working groups going on as we speak.”

riqster

(13,986 posts)
39. Thinking about it, I have seen some images of Satan with goat horns
Wed Aug 7, 2013, 08:03 AM
Aug 2013

And what was Shrubbery reading when the planes hit? "My Pet Goat"!

I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'.

 

Lonr

(103 posts)
20. Indeed
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 10:48 PM
Aug 2013

exactly how do 3 modern steel framed skyscrapers collapse straight down through the path of greatest resistance? The laws of physics alone disprove the official story.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
5. You made that one count. Happy 5,000th
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 08:36 PM
Aug 2013

No time served for press conferences, that clearly were hell for him.


Bush Press Conference 7 years ago.
Bush talks about Iraq and 9/11, says he never suggested Iraq was behind the attack.


Octafish

(55,745 posts)
7. NSA documents show 9/11 warnings shared with, and IGNORED by, Bush.
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 08:46 PM
Aug 2013


New NSA docs contradict 9/11 claims

“I don’t think the Bush administration would want to see these released," an expert tells Salon

By Jordan Michael Smith
Salon.com
Tuesday, Jun 19, 2012 04:24 PM EDT

Over 120 CIA documents concerning 9/11, Osama bin Laden and counterterrorism were published today for the first time, having been newly declassified and released to the National Security Archive. The documents were released after the NSA pored through the footnotes of the 9/11 Commission and sent Freedom of Information Act requests.

The material contains much new information about the hunt before and after 9/11 for bin Laden, the development of the drone campaign in AfPak, and al-Qaida’s relationship with America’s ally, Pakistan. Perhaps most damning are the documents showing that the CIA had bin Laden in its cross hairs a full year before 9/11 — but didn’t get the funding from the Bush administration White House to take him out or even continue monitoring him. The CIA materials directly contradict the many claims of Bush officials that it was aggressively pursuing al-Qaida prior to 9/11, and that nobody could have predicted the attacks. “I don’t think the Bush administration would want to see these released, because they paint a picture of the CIA knowing something would happen before 9/11, but they didn’t get the institutional support they needed,” says Barbara Elias-Sanborn, the NSA fellow who edited the materials.

SNIP...

Former National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice has taken credit for the drone program that the Bush administration ignored. “Things like working to get an armed Predator that actually turned out to be extraordinarily important, working to get a strategy that would allow us to get better cooperation from Pakistan and from the Central Asians,” she said in 2006. “We were not left a comprehensive strategy to fight al-Qaida.” Rice claimed that the Bush administration continued the Clinton administration’s counterterrorism policies, a claim the documents disprove. “If the administration wanted to get it done, I’m sure they could have gotten it done,” says Elias-Sanborn.

Many of the documents publicize for the first time what was first made clear in the 9/11 Commission: The White House received a truly remarkable amount of warnings that al-Qaida was trying to attack the United States. From June to September 2001, a full seven CIA Senior Intelligence Briefs detailed that attacks were imminent, an incredible amount of information from one intelligence agency. One from June called “Bin-Ladin and Associates Making Near-Term Threats” writes that “[redacted] expects Usama Bin Laden to launch multiple attacks over the coming days.” The famous August brief called “Bin Ladin Determined to Strike the US” is included. “Al-Qai’da members, including some US citizens, have resided in or travelled to the US for years, and the group apparently maintains a support structure here,” it says. During the entire month of August, President Bush was on vacation at his ranch in Texas — which tied with one of Richard Nixon’s as the longest vacation ever taken by a president. CIA Director George Tenet has said he didn’t speak to Bush once that month, describing the president as being “on leave.” Bush did not hold a Principals’ meeting on terrorism until September 4, 2001, having downgraded the meetings to a deputies’ meeting, which then-counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke has repeatedly said slowed down anti-Bin Laden efforts “enormously, by months.”

CONTINUED w LINKS...

http://www.salon.com/2012/06/19/new_nsa_docs_reveal_911_truths/
 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
18. SOB's got away with it
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 10:33 PM
Aug 2013

The shame is on the press for allowing them to skate. And all those who defended the Bush people and worked to make sure the truth was obstructed. Sad affairs all the way around. We are so screwed.

 

jimlup

(7,998 posts)
19. Actually I don't hold W personally responsible
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 10:37 PM
Aug 2013

It seems pretty clear to me that he was just a yahoo manipulated by the neocons. Cheney Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz sure they are to blame but do you blame a idiot at the wheel? He didn't have a clue and is thus innocent.

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
22. No offense, but bush had no trouble taking the oath of office for the
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 11:16 PM
Aug 2013

Presidency and enjoying the priviledges that come with the office. That means something.....he's not innocent....imho.

 

jimlup

(7,998 posts)
24. Yeah that's probably true
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 11:23 PM
Aug 2013

Still I find the guy is so empty it is hard to establish blame. A stronger man could have taken the initiative to change course. But W was just along for the ride and for that you are correct he's guilty.

kentuck

(111,536 posts)
12. And because of that small oversight...
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 09:31 PM
Aug 2013

They over-compensated with the Patriot Act and the FISA courts and the war on terror and invasions of other countries and torture and the shredding of our Constitution and the brushing off of the Geneva Convention and spying on American citizens and using fear to subdue the will of the American people.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
16. Never forget: Osama was a CIA asset and the bin Laden family were close friends of US power.
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 09:46 PM
Aug 2013

Never forget: Saudi Arabia was never challenged.
Never forget: 9/11 was an excuse for a profitable, never-ending WoT run by private corporations, on *all* sides - and which has killed hundreds of thousands of innocents and destroyed several countries.
Never forget: This entire criminal enterprise was excused and exonerated by a phrase totally devoid of morality, "we'll look forward, not back" - and a movement to continue and expand the WoT happened.
Never forget: Saudi Arabia is even now funding, arming, hiring, mercinary so-called 'jihadist' goons, the most effective of which are affiliated with al qaeda, to destroy Syria, on the way to moving on to Lebanon and Iran. At "the western backed Friends of Syria (HRC)" behest.

There's so much not to forget that it can no longer be listed, and by god it did NOT stop with W.

Cha

(300,535 posts)
17. that's right, riqster.. I had forgotten. August 6, 2001!
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 10:01 PM
Aug 2013

And, now there are those mocking PBO Admin for paying Attention.. like stupid greenwald.

Glad they're not in charge of anything.

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
23. You can call Greenwald what you like but he isn't stupid.
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 11:22 PM
Aug 2013

I think the timing of all the 'alerts' of late are convenient if not suspicious looking to take our attention away from the nefarious NSA. imho

edit: Or did President Obama get a daily presidential briefing? I haven't heard that.

Cha

(300,535 posts)
28. Yeah, he's stupid for pushing Propaganda. If bush had paid
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 11:34 PM
Aug 2013

attention to the intelligence gathering of the memo.. they might have prevented 9/11. But, they weren't into preventing anything that wouldn't help them BOMB Iraq.

PBO is going to keep us safe if at all possible.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
31. Transcript of Aug 6, 2001 PDB..."Bin Laden determined to strike in US...
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 11:51 PM
Aug 2013

Clandestine, foreign government, and media reports indicate bin Laden since 1997 has wanted to conduct terrorist attacks in the US. Bin Laden implied in U.S. television interviews in 1997 and 1998 that his followers would follow the example of World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Yousef and "bring the fighting to America."

After U.S. missile strikes on his base in Afghanistan in 1998, bin Laden told followers he wanted to retaliate in Washington, according to a -- -- service.

An Egyptian Islamic Jihad (EIJ) operative told - - service at the same time that bin Laden was planning to exploit the operative's access to the U.S. to mount a terrorist strike.

The millennium plotting in Canada in 1999 may have been part of bin Laden's first serious attempt to implement a terrorist strike in the U.S.

Convicted plotter Ahmed Ressam has told the FBI that he conceived the idea to attack Los Angeles International Airport himself, but that in ---, Laden lieutenant Abu Zubaydah encouraged him and helped facilitate the operation. Ressam also said that in 1998 Abu Zubaydah was planning his own U.S. attack.

Ressam says bin Laden was aware of the Los Angeles operation. Although Bin Laden has not succeeded, his attacks against the U.S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998 demonstrate that he prepares operations years in advance and is not deterred by setbacks. Bin Laden associates surveyed our embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam as early as 1993, and some members of the Nairobi cell planning the bombings were arrested and deported in 1997.

Al Qaeda members -- including some who are U.S. citizens -- have resided in or traveled to the U.S. for years, and the group apparently maintains a support structure that could aid attacks.

Two al-Qaeda members found guilty in the conspiracy to bomb our embassies in East Africa were U.S. citizens, and a senior EIJ member lived in California in the mid-1990s.

A clandestine source said in 1998 that a bin Laden cell in New York was recruiting Muslim-American youth for attacks.

We have not been able to corroborate some of the more sensational threat reporting, such as that from a ---- service in 1998 saying that Bin Laden wanted to hijack a U.S. aircraft to gain the release of "Blind Sheikh" Omar Abdel Rahman and other U.S.-held extremists.

Nevertheless, FBI information since that time indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York.

The FBI is conducting approximately 70 full-field investigations throughout the U.S. that it considers bin Laden-related. CIA and the FBI are investigating a call to our embassy in the UAE in May saying that a group or bin Laden supporters was in the U.S. planning attacks with explosives.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
32. "All right," he said. "You've covered your ass, now."
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 11:57 PM
Aug 2013

The alarming August 6, 2001, memo from the CIA to the President -- "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US" -- has been widely noted in the past few years.

But, also in August, CIA analysts flew to Crawford to personally brief the President -- to intrude on his vacation with face-to-face alerts. And, at an eyeball-to-eyeball intelligence briefing during this urgent summer, George W. Bush seems to have made the wrong choice.

He looked hard at the panicked CIA briefer. "All right," he said. "You've covered your ass, now."

Suskind, The One Percent Doctrine

sueh

(1,835 posts)
33. No, rigster, I will never forget, either. Aug 6 will forever be the anniversay of "PDB" Day.
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 11:59 PM
Aug 2013

And I will never forget the photograph of Dumbya at the ranch with Harriet Meiers SHOWING him the briefing. Ugggh!

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
35. True. But on August 5, DUers roundly ridiculed news of a threat.
Wed Aug 7, 2013, 12:02 AM
Aug 2013

by chanting "TERRA TERRA TERRA".

Kind of makes you realize when you're on the field vs in the stands, you know?

riqster

(13,986 posts)
36. Interesting.
Wed Aug 7, 2013, 06:09 AM
Aug 2013

I wasn't on DU at that time-I was on another board, which sadly is much changed, and not for the better.

My attitude then (as now) was that Bush was an illegitimate occupant of the Oval Office who had lied, stolen and cheated to get there. And if he embraced something, we should push it away; if he damned something, we should give it praise; and if he ignored something, we should look closely at it.

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