About those Faster Than Light neutrinos...nevermind.

[edhopper]

Not the big "stodgy science was wrong" event some claimed.

http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-02-faster-neutrinos-faulty-wiring.html

Ever since the news came out on September 22 of last year that a team of researchers in Italy had clocked neutrinos traveling faster than the speed of light, the physics world has been resounding with the potential implications of such a discovery — that is, if it were true. The speed of light has been a key component of the standard model of physics for over a century, an Einstein-established limit that particles (even tricky neutrinos) weren’t supposed to be able to break, not even a little.

Now, according to a breaking news article by Edwin Cartlidge on AAAS’ ScienceInsider, the neutrinos may be cleared of any speed violations.

[Skidmore]

1. Those what???

Father?

[edhopper]

3. corrected immediately

if you read the post, you would understand.

[FSogol]

2. Damn. There goes my best joke....

"We don’t allow faster than light neutrinos in here, said the bartender. A neutrino walks into a bar."

[edhopper]

4. That's pretty good.

How about;
"We don’t allow faster than light neutrinos in here, said the physicist. A neutrino walks into an Italian super-collider."

[HopeHoops]

5. Why the fuck are people still thinking in three dimensions?

[edhopper]

6. Faster than light

is counter to Relativity. Space is compressed to a singularity at light speed. Einstein did not think in 3 dimensions.

[HopeHoops]

10. Einstein was wrong. There is no limit. Think about it, what is outside of the universe?

My personal opinion is that the extension of the universe is finite and it feeds back into the core. It can't be infinite without something that's not included. This isn't a 3-dimensional way of viewing things and while Einstein was brilliant, he never reached that point in thinking in any of his works.

[tkmorris]

11. Do you honestly believe you've had an insight Einstein didn't?

Seriously?

[grantcart]

16. Living around the corner from his cottage in Princeton you could meet regular folks who

actually knew the guy. There were a lot of story's about how unorganized he was, walking out in his pajamas one day and so on.

Here are some examples;


When Albert Einstein was working in Princeton university,
one day he was going back home he forgot his home address.
The driver of the cab did not recognize him.
Einstein asked the driver if he knows Einstein’s home.
The driver said “Who does not know Einstein’s address?
Everyone in Princeton knows.
Do you want to meet him?”.
Einstein replied “I am Einstein.
I forgot my home address, can you take me there? ”
The driver reached him to his home and did not even collect his fare from him .

============ ========= ========= ========= ========= =========

Einstein was once travelling from Princeton on a train when the conductor came down the aisle,
punching the tickets of every passenger.
When he came to Einstein,
Einstein reached in his vest pocket.
He couldn’t find his ticket,
so he reached in his trouser pockets.
It wasn’t there, so he looked in his briefcase but couldn’t find it.
Then he looked in the seat beside him.
He still couldn’t find it.
The conductor said,
‘Dr. Einstein, I know who you are.
We all know who you are.
I’m sure you bought a ticket.
Don’t worry about it.’
Einstein nodded appreciatively.
The conductor continued down the aisle punching tickets.
As he was ready to move to the next car,
he turned around and saw the great physicist
down on his hands and knees
looking under his seat for his ticket.
The conductor rushed back and said,
‘Dr. Einstein, Dr. Einstein, don’t worry,
I know who you are. No problem.
You don’t need a ticket.
I’m sure you bought one.’
Einstein looked at him and said,
‘Young man, I too, know who I am.

What I don’t know is where I’m going. That’s why I am searching my ticket”


So just about everyone has had an insight that Einstein didn't have, lol.

Listening to these stories made this very great man even more loveable.

[HopeHoops]

20. He also didn't memorize his phone number on the grounds that he could always look it up.

[HopeHoops]

19. That's not my own thinking, just a theory I believe to be possible.

[JHB]

36. It's not hard to have an insight that Einstein didn't have...

...the tough part is being able to back it up with a theoretical framework that can be tested. Most insights don't get that far, having stopped at the pub and stayed there.

[Javaman]

13. Einstein would look at you, make no comment then walk away. nt

[HopeHoops]

21. Probably because he wanted a doughnut.

[Javaman]

22. Possibly...

but more than likely he thought you insane.

[HopeHoops]

23. Or stoned.

[Javaman]

24. okay then...

by that statement I can only draw the conclusion that you believe your original statement was crazy as well.

nothing like wasting a lot of electronic ink, huh?

[HopeHoops]

25. No. I still contend that the universe is multi-dimensional by necessity.

And for that matter, Einstein rejected Newtonian physics as "incomplete" also. He didn't have access to computers or social-networking sites. Consider what he was working with to create those theories. The Mandelbrot set was first plotted on a 9-pin dot matrix printer in 1980 and yet it was based on the work of Julia from 1917!!! The Mandelbrot set is, in the simplest terms, a mapping of the Julia sets that are connected. I doubt Julia ever had time to date, much less get laid.

[Javaman]

28. okay then...

have fun with your theories.

let me know when your peer reviewed article is published.

[Bake]

7. It's not three, dammit, it's FOUR!! FOUR!!

Got to put time in there! Anything else, a la the string theorists, is just to make their mathematics work!



Bake

[HopeHoops]

9. Actually it is 17. At least it was during the Big Bang. The fourth is time.

And even THAT one is questionable. Time out here on the outskirts is far slower than time near the "center", if you can call it that. We can't transcend Newtonian physics without moving into multi-dimensional thinking. I'm not by any means an expert in the field, but I can't understand why they haven't figured that out yet.

[metalbot]

29. String theory is multi-dimensional

The problem is, even if you can create a unified model that is mathematically consistent by introducing additional dimensions, that isn't verifiable since we have no mechanism for making measurements outside of space and time.

[HopeHoops]

30. Yet.

[Bake]

32. I mean really, look around you.

Space. You've got length, width, depth. Up, down, forward, back. Add time for the "when." what else do you have?

Other dimension? Where are they? Maybe my brain's too small, but adding dimensions just to make the math works is kinda like cheating.

Bottom line, I don't think the string theorists have the answer.

Bake

[HopeHoops]

35. It's sort of one of those Flatland problems - we know what we directly observe.

[Bake]

8. I effing told you!

Doesn't anybody listen??

Thanks, that is all.

Einstein

[Javaman]

14. It still made people think a little differently for a while...

and for that, it served its purpose.

Cheers.

[Javaman]

12. Deep within the science lab...

Science dude #1: that was some cool ass shit! Kegger!!

Science dude #2: wait a second.

Science dude #1: beers ordered. wait, what?

Science dude #2: this cable doesn't seem to be plugged in.

Science dude #1: but I ordered the beer!

Science dude #1: okay, let's first party, then appologize.

Science dude #2: you so totally rock!

[cloudbase]

15. The Italians made their measurements

using Veglia instruments.

Those of you who've owned Fiats or Moto Guzzis, and perhaps other Italian machinery, will know.

[Ikonoklast]

31. Oh, come on now!

Veglia insrumentality was considered precise to within at least thirty per cent of actuality...when they worked at all, that is.


Don't start in on Lucas Electrics, ok?

[hughee99]

17. Amazing what some neutrinos will go though just to avoid a speeding ticket.

the old "faulty radar gun" defense.

[Taverner]

18. 99% of problems lie on the physical layer

[ananda]

26. Great thread!

Love the jokes and the fact that Einstein was not wrong.

[stlsaxman]

27. "The bottom line is that we will not know until...

more measurements are done later this year," Gillies told The Associated Press.

ubtil then I'll root for them pesky neutrinos.

[LanternWaste]

33. "Every mountain is unclimbable until it is climbed. Every ship is too large to sink until it is sunk

"Every mountain is unclimbable until it is climbed. Every ship is too large to sink until it is sunk." Add to that I imagine, every speed limit cannot be broken... until it is broken.

[edhopper]

34. It's not a speed limit.

It is the basis for the relativistic model of the Universe, This is not a mechanical engineering problem.