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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAbout those Faster Than Light neutrinos...nevermind.
Not the big "stodgy science was wrong" event some claimed.
http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-02-faster-neutrinos-faulty-wiring.html
Ever since the news came out on September 22 of last year that a team of researchers in Italy had clocked neutrinos traveling faster than the speed of light, the physics world has been resounding with the potential implications of such a discovery that is, if it were true. The speed of light has been a key component of the standard model of physics for over a century, an Einstein-established limit that particles (even tricky neutrinos) werent supposed to be able to break, not even a little.
Now, according to a breaking news article by Edwin Cartlidge on AAAS ScienceInsider, the neutrinos may be cleared of any speed violations.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)Father?
edhopper
(33,075 posts)if you read the post, you would understand.
FSogol
(45,312 posts)"We dont allow faster than light neutrinos in here, said the bartender. A neutrino walks into a bar."
edhopper
(33,075 posts)How about;
"We dont allow faster than light neutrinos in here, said the physicist. A neutrino walks into an Italian super-collider."
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)edhopper
(33,075 posts)is counter to Relativity. Space is compressed to a singularity at light speed. Einstein did not think in 3 dimensions.
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)My personal opinion is that the extension of the universe is finite and it feeds back into the core. It can't be infinite without something that's not included. This isn't a 3-dimensional way of viewing things and while Einstein was brilliant, he never reached that point in thinking in any of his works.
tkmorris
(11,138 posts)Seriously?
grantcart
(53,061 posts)actually knew the guy. There were a lot of story's about how unorganized he was, walking out in his pajamas one day and so on.
Here are some examples;
When Albert Einstein was working in Princeton university,
one day he was going back home he forgot his home address.
The driver of the cab did not recognize him.
Einstein asked the driver if he knows Einsteins home.
The driver said Who does not know Einsteins address?
Everyone in Princeton knows.
Do you want to meet him?.
Einstein replied I am Einstein.
I forgot my home address, can you take me there?
The driver reached him to his home and did not even collect his fare from him .
============ ========= ========= ========= ========= =========
Einstein was once travelling from Princeton on a train when the conductor came down the aisle,
punching the tickets of every passenger.
When he came to Einstein,
Einstein reached in his vest pocket.
He couldnt find his ticket,
so he reached in his trouser pockets.
It wasnt there, so he looked in his briefcase but couldnt find it.
Then he looked in the seat beside him.
He still couldnt find it.
The conductor said,
Dr. Einstein, I know who you are.
We all know who you are.
Im sure you bought a ticket.
Dont worry about it.
Einstein nodded appreciatively.
The conductor continued down the aisle punching tickets.
As he was ready to move to the next car,
he turned around and saw the great physicist
down on his hands and knees
looking under his seat for his ticket.
The conductor rushed back and said,
Dr. Einstein, Dr. Einstein, dont worry,
I know who you are. No problem.
You dont need a ticket.
Im sure you bought one.
Einstein looked at him and said,
Young man, I too, know who I am.
What I dont know is where Im going. Thats why I am searching my ticket
So just about everyone has had an insight that Einstein didn't have, lol.
Listening to these stories made this very great man even more loveable.
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)JHB
(37,122 posts)...the tough part is being able to back it up with a theoretical framework that can be tested. Most insights don't get that far, having stopped at the pub and stayed there.
Javaman
(62,394 posts)HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)Javaman
(62,394 posts)but more than likely he thought you insane.
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)Javaman
(62,394 posts)by that statement I can only draw the conclusion that you believe your original statement was crazy as well.
nothing like wasting a lot of electronic ink, huh?
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)And for that matter, Einstein rejected Newtonian physics as "incomplete" also. He didn't have access to computers or social-networking sites. Consider what he was working with to create those theories. The Mandelbrot set was first plotted on a 9-pin dot matrix printer in 1980 and yet it was based on the work of Julia from 1917!!! The Mandelbrot set is, in the simplest terms, a mapping of the Julia sets that are connected. I doubt Julia ever had time to date, much less get laid.
Javaman
(62,394 posts)have fun with your theories.
let me know when your peer reviewed article is published.
Bake
(21,977 posts)Got to put time in there! Anything else, a la the string theorists, is just to make their mathematics work!
Bake
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)And even THAT one is questionable. Time out here on the outskirts is far slower than time near the "center", if you can call it that. We can't transcend Newtonian physics without moving into multi-dimensional thinking. I'm not by any means an expert in the field, but I can't understand why they haven't figured that out yet.
metalbot
(1,058 posts)The problem is, even if you can create a unified model that is mathematically consistent by introducing additional dimensions, that isn't verifiable since we have no mechanism for making measurements outside of space and time.
Bake
(21,977 posts)Space. You've got length, width, depth. Up, down, forward, back. Add time for the "when." what else do you have?
Other dimension? Where are they? Maybe my brain's too small, but adding dimensions just to make the math works is kinda like cheating.
Bottom line, I don't think the string theorists have the answer.
Bake
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)Bake
(21,977 posts)Doesn't anybody listen??
Thanks, that is all.
Einstein
Javaman
(62,394 posts)and for that, it served its purpose.
Cheers.
Javaman
(62,394 posts)Science dude #1: that was some cool ass shit! Kegger!!
Science dude #2: wait a second.
Science dude #1: beers ordered. wait, what?
Science dude #2: this cable doesn't seem to be plugged in.
Science dude #1: but I ordered the beer!
Science dude #1: okay, let's first party, then appologize.
Science dude #2: you so totally rock!
cloudbase
(5,477 posts)using Veglia instruments.
Those of you who've owned Fiats or Moto Guzzis, and perhaps other Italian machinery, will know.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)Veglia insrumentality was considered precise to within at least thirty per cent of actuality...when they worked at all, that is.
Don't start in on Lucas Electrics, ok?
hughee99
(16,113 posts)the old "faulty radar gun" defense.
Taverner
(55,476 posts)ananda
(28,759 posts)Love the jokes and the fact that Einstein was not wrong.
stlsaxman
(9,236 posts)more measurements are done later this year," Gillies told The Associated Press.
ubtil then I'll root for them pesky neutrinos.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"Every mountain is unclimbable until it is climbed. Every ship is too large to sink until it is sunk." Add to that I imagine, every speed limit cannot be broken... until it is broken.
edhopper
(33,075 posts)It is the basis for the relativistic model of the Universe, This is not a mechanical engineering problem.