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SHRED

(28,136 posts)
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 09:30 PM Aug 2013

Another Obamacare delay...

Submitted by Thom Hartmann A... on 13. August 2013 - 8:59
Live Blog Thom's Blog

Yet another key provision of Obamacare meant to protect consumers is being delayed - the Obama Administration is holding off on instituting out-of-pocket expense limits. That provision would have put a cap on the total amount an insurance company can charge individuals or families for deductibles, co-pays, and prescriptions. The healthcare law was supposed to restrict out-of-pocket expenses to about 6,000 dollars for an individual, and 12,000 for a family, but administration officials have delayed that requirement, and will allow insurance companies to set their own limits.

The U.S. Labor Department website listed the change since February, but we're just now finding out about it. A White House official defended that decision to the New York Times, saying, “We had to balance the interests of consumers with the concerns of health plan sponsors and carriers, which told us that their computer systems were not set up to aggregate all of a person's out-of pocket costs.” However, critics of the delay argue that most, if not all, insurance companies already set out-of-pocket limits, and this change is simply another give-away to the for-profit health care industry. And, many people expect that Republicans will use this additional delay to attack and discredit the president's healthcare law.

Patient advocacy groups, like the Multiple Sclerosis Society, are furious about how this latest delay will effect individuals who require expensive medical care. Theodore Thompson, of the MS Society, said, “The promise of out-of-pocket limits was one of the main reasons we supported health reform.” It's unclear whether these groups will pull their support for Obamacare because these limits will not be in place.

Already, there have been many mixed reviews about other provisions in the healthcare law being delayed, like the employer mandate. It's unlikely that most Americans will be happy about the news that private, for-profit insurance companies will get away with pushing even more healthcare costs on to patients.


- See more at: http://www.thomhartmann.com/blog/2013/08/another-obamacare-delay#sthash.1zTGUyeO.dpuf

Holy Crap!

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Another Obamacare delay... (Original Post) SHRED Aug 2013 OP
Anything to help the 1%. forestpath Aug 2013 #1
The critic portion for Obama and the Insurance industry -- mandates -- remains intact... Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #2
How long until... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #3
exactly SHRED Aug 2013 #4
It is a shit sandwich... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #7
A shit sandwich made by republicans, served up by Democrats. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #10
I asked the same question and was torn apart. I think it is a valid question, and Safetykitten Aug 2013 #6
I expect to get flamed soon. nt awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #8
I remember that thread ! yes valid concern then and now!! lunasun Aug 2013 #20
I thought this was enforced already? Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #14
You know, I think you may be correct. nt awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #16
A senior administration official, speaking on condition of anonymity jtuck004 Aug 2013 #26
Tell me again how Obama is really on my side, it's just that Congress is obstructing all his goals. limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #5
At this point Phlem Aug 2013 #25
Gee, if only someone could have foreseen this kind of thing... Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #9
This is bullshit! I can't believe this Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #11
I swear sometimes he suffers from Stockholm Syndrome AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #12
Oh boy. n/t DirkGently Aug 2013 #13
More information: ProSense Aug 2013 #15
So, is the fucking mandate Spirochete Aug 2013 #17
This is probably going to kill some people. limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #19
It sure is Spirochete Aug 2013 #21
Yeah but who is they in this case... limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #22
Yeah, we can bet on that, but Spirochete Aug 2013 #34
I warned people that this was going to kill a section of the population Hydra Aug 2013 #23
oh comw on already lunasun Aug 2013 #18
So, force everyone to buy insurance a2liberal Aug 2013 #24
All I can say is WTF and that doesn't really help matters. pam4water Aug 2013 #27
Lyric: Come round the bend, you know it's the end, the fireman screams and the engine just gleams... cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #28
"Train wreck" = I foresee my corporate buddies and fellow GOPers are deliberately going to wreck it. limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #30
People...it's a one year delay of something that didn't exist prior. dkf Aug 2013 #29
We feel a sense of urgency on this matter. limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #31
I can see that but they haven't gotten rid of this as a goal. dkf Aug 2013 #33
Obama implemented a saving of us economy but wingers and fudr... uponit7771 Aug 2013 #35
Don't kid yourself. This doesn't do enough...a Canadian-like system is the only way to go. dkf Aug 2013 #36
where in the law, is Obama allowed to choose any starting date, quadrature Aug 2013 #32
 

Demo_Chris

(6,234 posts)
2. The critic portion for Obama and the Insurance industry -- mandates -- remains intact...
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 09:44 PM
Aug 2013

So no worries on that score.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
7. It is a shit sandwich...
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 10:07 PM
Aug 2013

with two pieces of good bread. They keep stripping back the bread, though.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
10. A shit sandwich made by republicans, served up by Democrats.
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 10:13 PM
Aug 2013

"There is only one party in the United States, the Property Party … and it has two right wings: Republican and Democrat. Republicans are a bit stupider, more rigid, more doctrinaire in their laissez-faire capitalism than the Democrats, who are cuter, prettier, a bit more corrupt — until recently… and more willing than the Republicans to make small adjustments when the poor, the black, the anti-imperialists get out of hand. But, essentially, there is no difference between the two parties." ― Gore Vidal

 

Safetykitten

(5,162 posts)
6. I asked the same question and was torn apart. I think it is a valid question, and
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 10:07 PM
Aug 2013

at this rate, it looks like there will be more "surprises" to come. But the pre-existing? If that goes, it's a goner.

Harmony Blue

(3,978 posts)
14. I thought this was enforced already?
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 10:18 PM
Aug 2013

I have no reason to believe there will be a rollback on this. But yeah a lot of other portions of the ACA are in jeopardy of being in political limbo.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
26. A senior administration official, speaking on condition of anonymity
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 12:17 AM
Aug 2013

to discuss internal deliberations, said: “We knew this was an important issue. We had to balance the interests of consumers with the concerns of health plan sponsors and carriers, which told us that their computer systems were not set up to aggregate all of a person’s out-of-pocket costs. They asked for more time to comply.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/13/us/a-limit-on-consumer-costs-is-delayed-in-health-care-law.html?hp

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
5. Tell me again how Obama is really on my side, it's just that Congress is obstructing all his goals.
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 10:04 PM
Aug 2013

This shit is cruel.

Let me join you

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
25. At this point
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 12:09 AM
Aug 2013

This is the only thing that he's "trying" to implement that I care about because it affects my bottom line and the rest of the 99%. If this goes down the shitter then I've seen more kneecapping of the working man than good come from this administration.

Not any of his policies have had a meaningful impact on my life and my friends and families.

Yes, it's all congress's fault, he doesn't have a magic wand, I want a pony, etc....

But there have been things he didn't have to do. Like throwing the professional left under the bus on FOX, let's see, signing 3 FTA's, having a fucking kill list, etc.....

What a bunch of fuck's we have to pick from to run our country.

Not good.

-p

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
11. This is bullshit! I can't believe this
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 10:13 PM
Aug 2013

They have had plenty of time to program their computers. Damn!

Spirochete

(5,264 posts)
17. So, is the fucking mandate
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 10:37 PM
Aug 2013

the only part that's likely to kick in as scheduled? Gee, color me shocked.

Spirochete

(5,264 posts)
21. It sure is
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 11:07 PM
Aug 2013

People need this NOW! Seems like if they can't repeal it, they'll have it die by a thousand delays. Bastards.

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
22. Yeah but who is they in this case...
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 11:29 PM
Aug 2013

Republicans trying to repeal it all the time.

But the administration are the ones doing these implementation delays.

Because the companies say they aren't ready to do it yet. If this was something that helped their bottom line, instead of helping people get health care, I bet they would find a way to make it ready in time.

Spirochete

(5,264 posts)
34. Yeah, we can bet on that, but
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 03:04 AM
Aug 2013

health care for poor people is only high on the priority lists of the poor people themselves, apparently.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
23. I warned people that this was going to kill a section of the population
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 11:56 PM
Aug 2013

And with each protection for the people taken out, it's going to get larger.

Only pure luck got my head off the chopping block.

a2liberal

(1,524 posts)
24. So, force everyone to buy insurance
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 11:57 PM
Aug 2013

from corrupt/murderous companies that will use every possible excuse to deny the care you pay for when it's really needed, and also eliminate whatever small protections were there to try and counterbalance that, using bullshit excuses. Sounds like a great idea to fix healthcare! So much better than single payer!

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
28. Lyric: Come round the bend, you know it's the end, the fireman screams and the engine just gleams...
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 12:36 AM
Aug 2013

What was it Max Baucus said again? Something about a "train wreck"?

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
29. People...it's a one year delay of something that didn't exist prior.
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 12:37 AM
Aug 2013

They aren't going to get rid of it for goodness sakes.

Yes it shows the admin can't implement anything worth a damn, but wasn't it evident this was going to be a bumpy ride?

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
33. I can see that but they haven't gotten rid of this as a goal.
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 02:55 AM
Aug 2013

It's closer to implementation than everything else everyone wants, closer even than "shovel ready projects" from 2009.

 

quadrature

(2,049 posts)
32. where in the law, is Obama allowed to choose any starting date,
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 01:03 AM
Aug 2013

for these payment caps?

when a starting date is clearly defined.

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