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SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 12:44 PM Aug 2013

Divisions Widen Among Snowden's Supporters

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324823804579014611497378326.html

MOSCOW—Former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden and his father spoke for the first time since late May early Thursday, going against the wishes of their lawyers and reflecting growing rifts among family and advisers of the fugitive leaker of U.S. surveillance documents.

Those disagreements include increasingly public bickering over the makeup of Mr. Snowden's legal defense team, and who has standing to speak for him, among the three camps closest to him: the antisecrecy group WikiLeaks, journalist Glenn Greenwald and his father's legal team.

Mr. Snowden and his father, Lon Snowden, spoke for about two hours via an encrypted Internet chat program, said two lawyers who helped arrange the contact. The elder Mr. Snowden participated in the chat from the Washington, D.C., office of his attorney, Bruce Fein, and was connected to his son with the help of Ben Wizner, an attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union, who is involved in coordinating Mr. Snowden's legal defense in the U.S. What they discussed wasn't disclosed.

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More fractious is the relationship among Lon Snowden, WikiLeaks and Mr. Greenwald. Mr. Fein's wife and spokeswoman, Mattie Fein, said Lon Snowden's legal team doesn't trust the intentions of Mr. Greenwald or WikiLeaks and worry they are giving Edward Snowden bad advice.

"The thing we have been most concerned about is that the people who have influence over Ed will try to use him for their own means," Ms. Fein said. "These guys have their own agenda here and we aren't so sure that it has Ed's best interest in mind."


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Divisions Widen Among Snowden's Supporters (Original Post) SidDithers Aug 2013 OP
Yeap, running to a place of suppression to get away from suppression = full of shit. Also, the amoun uponit7771 Aug 2013 #1
+1 Jamaal510 Aug 2013 #37
And you think he would be in a better situation here than there? Lol. Deluded. dkf Aug 2013 #52
Maybe vs definantely?! ...and who the in fuck would go to a country where they do shit like that to uponit7771 Aug 2013 #65
That would be like telling someone not to come to the US because Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #70
"drone" people!? We kill people with airplanes....that's not new you know that right? uponit7771 Aug 2013 #73
I said what I meant. We kill people with drones which does not mean we Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #74
Right, who was No.1 law enforcement longer than anyone ? orpupilofnature57 Aug 2013 #81
k/r Dawson Leery Aug 2013 #2
Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #3
So there are no divisions among Snowden supporters?... SidDithers Aug 2013 #4
I don't give a fuck... 99Forever Aug 2013 #7
... SidDithers Aug 2013 #9
That's what I thought. 99Forever Aug 2013 #10
You seem angry... SidDithers Aug 2013 #12
ProSense... Is that you? cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #19
Wow, I suspect this is the reason you copied two months of my posts. ProSense Aug 2013 #25
LOL! cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #46
You have some really creepy stalkers, Cha Aug 2013 #51
+1...nt SidDithers Aug 2013 #72
They see her everywhere. DevonRex Aug 2013 #88
lol.. PSDS! nm Cha Aug 2013 #89
That's exactly right. PSDS. DevonRex Aug 2013 #90
The tell: The "blue link" obsession CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #96
There are more of us than there are of you. Always have been. MjolnirTime Aug 2013 #79
+1 dionysus Aug 2013 #85
I am a Democrat and we have never been the party of authoritarians Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #86
Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #21
... SidDithers Aug 2013 #26
... Cha Aug 2013 #76
I don't normally go for the laughy smiley. But sometimes a post is so pointless Number23 Aug 2013 #82
That would be your response to someone who has integrity. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #75
you're the paragon of integrity, yesy you are... dionysus Aug 2013 #30
This is a nasty personal attack. pnwmom Aug 2013 #18
You post what you want... 99Forever Aug 2013 #22
Yeah Bobbie Jo Aug 2013 #53
Well... 99Forever Aug 2013 #56
Impressed? Bobbie Jo Aug 2013 #57
I see what you did there! 99Forever Aug 2013 #59
? Bobbie Jo Aug 2013 #61
Has anyone told you FarPoint Aug 2013 #84
Oh, really!!!! Warpy Aug 2013 #58
Of course it was derisive. Bobbie Jo Aug 2013 #60
Calling someone an ignorant foreigner is a personal attack. pnwmom Aug 2013 #68
That's been my concern for some time, too.; AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #69
I think he enjoys the feeling of power pnwmom Aug 2013 #71
Yes, you are safe now snooper2 Aug 2013 #23
Great. Then shutting down their UNCONSTITUTIONAL spying programs... 99Forever Aug 2013 #42
Can you tell us who exactly were spied on illegally, and how many? Whisp Aug 2013 #33
Fear of the unknown is a more potent weapon than reality. randome Aug 2013 #35
So I didn't miss anything - there is no such 'person/s' on record... Whisp Aug 2013 #38
You don't need the sarcasm tag for me but that's okay! randome Aug 2013 #39
Pick a citizen that uses ... 99Forever Aug 2013 #44
if my buddy is Dick Cheney then who is yours? Whisp Aug 2013 #45
Ben Franklin. 99Forever Aug 2013 #49
ann, is that you ann? Did you say 'you people'? Whisp Aug 2013 #50
No. 99Forever Aug 2013 #55
Take this shit to Russia, comrade. MjolnirTime Aug 2013 #80
Divide and Conquer. WSJ M.O. Octafish Aug 2013 #5
With Viet Dihn, the author of the USA PATRIOT Act, OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #24
ugh grasswire Aug 2013 #40
Is Michael Mukasey a reasonable facsimile for Yoo? OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #94
thank you for that info, and thanks to Al Gore... grasswire Aug 2013 #95
He also owns a minority share in the SCMP--but no one complained about that when they were eager for MADem Aug 2013 #27
What does this mean to those concerned about these activities? boston bean Aug 2013 #6
You're right. The headline is very misleading. The WSJ changed its original headline... deurbano Aug 2013 #47
How do you know if you're a Snowden supporter? leftstreet Aug 2013 #8
WSJ's concerns for the success of "Snowden's Supporters" are noted. nt bemildred Aug 2013 #11
Defections increase among Obama supporters burnodo Aug 2013 #13
Link?...nt SidDithers Aug 2013 #14
wishing does not make it true... dionysus Aug 2013 #31
Van Jones? burnodo Aug 2013 #36
I doubt it, they enjoy the lockstep too much. Union Scribe Aug 2013 #41
The libertarian version of three men and a baby BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #15
Affectionaltely known as Cha Aug 2013 #78
I have wondered whether Snowden is still into Greenwald gulliver Aug 2013 #16
Snowden's little shop of horrors... Audrey... Whisp Aug 2013 #34
Sounds like Snowden is still into Greenwald: deurbano Aug 2013 #64
Wow you too huh... cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #17
Snowden's statement ProSense Aug 2013 #20
Thanks...nt SidDithers Aug 2013 #28
Seems as though a genuine rift is growing between Snowden and his father Number23 Aug 2013 #83
100% Absolute and Total BS - IMHO! -- n/t mazzarro Aug 2013 #29
That should have been "the 'secretive' antisecrecy group WikiLeaks". randome Aug 2013 #32
Headline is misleading. Original title of the 2-day-old article: deurbano Aug 2013 #43
You'd think some would pay attention to this point burnodo Aug 2013 #54
Ya think! Cha Aug 2013 #48
The father is concerned about his son, adrmirable trait. Rex Aug 2013 #62
Reading is fundemental nolabels Aug 2013 #93
So is spelling... zappaman Aug 2013 #97
Never-mind those Congressional Hearings on NSA ... LOOK OVER HERE INSTEAD!! 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #63
Keep singing it Sid, I'm sure somebody's eventually going to listen. n/t Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #66
K&R BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #67
You mean they're not all fine and dandy with being Pauliacs??? MjolnirTime Aug 2013 #77
Once again, nobody cares about either Paul. Nobody. They are not on the radar. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #87
... Rex Aug 2013 #91
So love that you are giving mad props to snake oil peddler and libertarian Bruce Fein. Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #92

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
1. Yeap, running to a place of suppression to get away from suppression = full of shit. Also, the amoun
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 12:47 PM
Aug 2013

...of outrage over protecting what the government COULD be doing vs the outrage over what the gop IS doing seems disproportional at best.

Most of the non falsifiable claims are coming from Snowglen

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
37. +1
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 02:16 PM
Aug 2013

"Also, the amount of outrage over protecting what the government COULD be doing vs the outrage over what the gop IS doing seems disproportional at best."

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
52. And you think he would be in a better situation here than there? Lol. Deluded.
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 04:08 PM
Aug 2013

The sad fact is that telling the truth is now a crime against the surveillance state.

You no longer need to be in Russia to be treated egregiously.

I would say Snowden supporters are growing by leaps and bounds, and supporters here are even more confident that we are exactly where we need to be.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
65. Maybe vs definantely?! ...and who the in fuck would go to a country where they do shit like that to
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 04:57 PM
Aug 2013

...gay people...really!?

I'm more sensitive to it these days, Obama helped, ... I don't think I can stand anyone treating the "others" (all inclusive) people like that

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
70. That would be like telling someone not to come to the US because
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 05:48 PM
Aug 2013

we drone people. One thing has nothing to do with the other.

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
74. I said what I meant. We kill people with drones which does not mean we
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 09:01 PM
Aug 2013

as a whole are a terrible country. But you knew that.

Response to SidDithers (Original post)

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
7. I don't give a fuck...
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 01:01 PM
Aug 2013

... about such nonsense, Sid.

I have principles and integrity. I care about a President violating his oath of office, Sid. Sorry you just don't fucking get it, but I'm not surprised in the least.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
25. Wow, I suspect this is the reason you copied two months of my posts.
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 01:30 PM
Aug 2013

"ProSense... Is that you?"

Why exactly are you so focused on me? Now, you're implying that another poster is me?

Creepy.



Cha

(297,180 posts)
51. You have some really creepy stalkers,
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 04:06 PM
Aug 2013

ProSense.. who are obsessed with you. It must be contagious because they keep popping up out of the snowden fan club.

CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
96. The tell: The "blue link" obsession
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 12:13 PM
Aug 2013

Maybe we're at middle-school level inching down to grade school?

 

MjolnirTime

(1,800 posts)
79. There are more of us than there are of you. Always have been.
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 09:22 PM
Aug 2013

We're called Democrats.

What political party are you a member of?

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
86. I am a Democrat and we have never been the party of authoritarians
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 12:50 AM
Aug 2013

in most of the almost sixty years I have been alive.

Response to SidDithers (Reply #12)

Number23

(24,544 posts)
82. I don't normally go for the laughy smiley. But sometimes a post is so pointless
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 09:44 PM
Aug 2013

mean-spirited or stupid that it's truly the best response.

You're right on the money with that one.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
18. This is a nasty personal attack.
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 01:18 PM
Aug 2013

But that's par for the course these days on DU.

The OP is not about whether the NSA is spying on Americans.

It's about Snowden, who didn't just open the debate about US internal surveillance by leaking the power point presentation. He also, with the encouragement of Greenwald and Assange, stole thousands of other documents, including ones about foreign spying, and has shared them with unknown others (and some known, like the Chinese newspaper.) His parents have every right to be concerned about whether Greenwald and Assange are using him to further their own ends.

FarPoint

(12,351 posts)
84. Has anyone told you
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 10:01 PM
Aug 2013

the story of Humpty Dumpty? ......As it goes....Humpty had a great fall. You may be able to relate through your DU experience.

Warpy

(111,254 posts)
58. Oh, really!!!!
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 04:25 PM
Aug 2013

This is absolutely not a personal attack. It didn't describe the object's ancestry, anatomy, or proclivities, only his nationality.

There is a difference between a personal attack and a statement of fact.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
68. Calling someone an ignorant foreigner is a personal attack.
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 05:26 PM
Aug 2013

There are any number of possible personal attacks besides the few you list.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
23. Yes, you are safe now
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 01:28 PM
Aug 2013

Nobody cares about your conversations. Well, nobody in the government LOL---

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
42. Great. Then shutting down their UNCONSTITUTIONAL spying programs...
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 03:48 PM
Aug 2013

... shouldn't be a problem.

Right?

Glad you agree.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
33. Can you tell us who exactly were spied on illegally, and how many?
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 02:08 PM
Aug 2013

I keep hearing that the NSA is spying on EVERYONE, ALL THE TIME.

So there must be some record of such practice, a real person(s) who would take this to court?.

Apologies if I missed that information.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
35. Fear of the unknown is a more potent weapon than reality.
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 02:14 PM
Aug 2013

Apparently some have already figured that out. And others have too easily opted to 'feel the fear' instead of 'face the reality'.

It's like a drug to some, I think. Rant and rage is an easier escape than trying to cope with complicated realities.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
38. So I didn't miss anything - there is no such 'person/s' on record...
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 02:18 PM
Aug 2013

but you know what, that Obama put some cement shoes on all those people and dissappeared them just like a good Stasi. I bet that's how it works...

<--- unfortunately I need this.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
39. You don't need the sarcasm tag for me but that's okay!
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 02:48 PM
Aug 2013

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
44. Pick a citizen that uses ...
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 03:53 PM
Aug 2013

... Verizon cell service. Are you not paying attention? Or is it more like intentional ignorance.


I have Verizon service, I have been spied on, by the NSA, without probable cause.


So much for your phoney authoritarian talking point. Better go get some fresh material from your buddy, Dick Cheney.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
45. if my buddy is Dick Cheney then who is yours?
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 03:55 PM
Aug 2013

I could guess they would be on that side of aisle as well, as you took the bait hook, line and sinker.

I'll be talking to my buddy Dick later this evening and will pass on to him that you are onto us.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
49. Ben Franklin.
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 04:04 PM
Aug 2013

He spoke directly about people such as you:


Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
55. No.
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 04:17 PM
Aug 2013

I said "people such as you."

Can't you read simple English or what?

Who the fuck is "Ann" anyway?

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
24. With Viet Dihn, the author of the USA PATRIOT Act,
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 01:29 PM
Aug 2013

on News Corps Board of Directors.

Say, can you guess who was the top recipient of campaign contributions from News Corp employees and PAC in 2012?

Answer: Barack Obama

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
94. Is Michael Mukasey a reasonable facsimile for Yoo?
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 10:38 AM
Aug 2013
Hewlett-Packard spying scandal sheds new light on US corporate “ethics”
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2006/10/hepa-o02.html

The chairman and a half dozen other top officials have resigned or been fired at Hewlett-Packard, the biggest US personal computer and printer manufacturer, amid a scandal over illegal corporate spying that has unfolded over the past month.

The spying campaign, launched by H-P board Chairwoman Patricia Dunn in response to leaks to the press of internal corporate discussions, included surreptitiously obtaining the phone records of H-P board members and employees, surveillance of board members and journalists, and the emailing of spyware to journalists in an effort to learn the identity of their sources within the company.

Private telephone records on hundreds of cell and home telephones were obtained by a method called “pretexting,” in which investigators made repeated calls to telephone companies, pretending to be the individuals targeted, until they were able to convince a phone company employee to release the information.


Viet Dihn, the author of the USA PATRIOT Act, is representing a former HP director.

Viet D. Dinh
http://www.law.georgetown.edu/faculty/dinh-viet-d.cfm#

During his time at the Department of Justice, Dinh played a key role in developing legal policy initiatives to combat terrorism—namely, the USA Patriot Act.


News Corp. Independent Directors Hire Debevoise Law Firm
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-19/news-corp-independent-directors-hire-debevoise-firm-s-white-mukasey.html

Dinh, who runs a small law firm in Washington that specializes in damage control, and venture capital executive Tom Perkins are leading the efforts of independent directors, who hold nine of 16 board seats. Dinh, also a professor at Georgetown University and the chief architect of the USA Patriot Act, represented Perkins, a former Hewlett-Packard Co. (HPQ) director, during a scandal at that company.


And former Attorney General Michael Mukasey's law firm is advising Dinh in News Corp's phone hacking scandal. (Dinh is on the Board of Directors for News Corp.)

News Corp. (NWSA)’s independent directors hired the law firm Debevoise & Plimpton LLP, according to Mary Jo White, a partner at the firm and the former U.S. attorney in New York.

Michael Mukasey, who served as U.S. attorney general under George W. Bush, will join White in representing directors, Suzanne Elio, a spokeswoman for the firm, said today.

“Debevoise & Plimpton has been retained to advise Viet Dinh in his supervision of the Management and Standards Committee on behalf of the independent members of the board,” Elio said in an e-mail.
She declined to comment further.




Dinh has a close relationship with Rupert Murdoch.

News Corp. Director Leading Phone-Hack Probe Has Personal Ties to Murdoch
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-06/dinh-s-ties-to-murdoch-under-fire-as-point-man-in-hacking-probe.html

News Corp. (NWSA)’s independent directors, obligated to assess Rupert Murdoch and other top executives’ handling of the company’s phone-hacking scandal, are relying for guidance on Viet Dinh, a board member with personal ties to the Murdoch family.

Dinh, 43, is point man between the independent board members and a panel that New York-based News Corp. (NWS) created to cooperate with authorities probing phone hacking by the defunct News of the World tabloid and to evaluate company standards.

A Washington attorney and Georgetown University Law Center professor, Dinh has been a friend of Chief Executive Officer Rupert Murdoch’s oldest son Lachlan since 2003 and is godfather to Lachlan’s second child. In 1992, a decade before they met, the South China Morning Post, then owned by Murdoch, helped Dinh free his sister from a Hong Kong refugee camp.

“Usually it’s required that an investigation like this is undertaken by a committee of independent directors,” said Jay Lorsch, a Harvard Business School professor who has served on the boards of four publicly traded companies. “It’s very hard to be objective if you’re involved in any way -- financially or emotionally -- with the family of the chief executive you are supposed to be supervising.”


Murdoch has friends on both sides of the aisle.

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grasswire

(50,130 posts)
95. thank you for that info, and thanks to Al Gore...
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 12:05 PM
Aug 2013

....for our Internet.

I think the center is beginning to slip.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
27. He also owns a minority share in the SCMP--but no one complained about that when they were eager for
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 01:37 PM
Aug 2013

Snowden News from Hong Kong....

Funny how that works.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
6. What does this mean to those concerned about these activities?
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 01:01 PM
Aug 2013

Nothing I presume.

Appears to me there is a division amongst a couple of Snowden supporters. Those couple of supporters being Snowdens father, Greenwald and wikileaks.

Not everyday people who support the leaks... right?

deurbano

(2,895 posts)
47. You're right. The headline is very misleading. The WSJ changed its original headline...
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 04:01 PM
Aug 2013

(from the article, which is two-days old): "Edward Snowden Talks With His Father— But Lawyers for Both Sides Disapproved of the Internet Chat." I guess the intent was to make the headline more provocative, not more accurate, since (as you say), the reporter is not talking about "supporters" in the more general sense, but is referencing only the Feins (Snowden's father's advisors) vs. Snowden's advisors. (Really, the Feins are the ones who seem to be trying to create a "division.&quot

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
41. I doubt it, they enjoy the lockstep too much.
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 02:52 PM
Aug 2013

What the OP fails to grasp is that arguments happen when people think for themselves and don't assert and re-assert the same talking points to each other over and over. Where don't arguments happen? Well, in lockstep supporter land.

gulliver

(13,180 posts)
16. I have wondered whether Snowden is still into Greenwald
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 01:16 PM
Aug 2013

Greenwald is starting to become like Audrey in Snowden's little shop.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
34. Snowden's little shop of horrors... Audrey...
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 02:11 PM
Aug 2013


I call my composter Audrey by name, - gotta feed Audrey, Audrey hasn't eaten today... etc.

I might change the name to Glenn, but then I will be reminded of him long after I want to be, so I won't be putting in for a name change after all.

deurbano

(2,895 posts)
64. Sounds like Snowden is still into Greenwald:
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 04:50 PM
Aug 2013

Last edited Sat Aug 17, 2013, 05:34 PM - Edit history (1)

<<It has come to my attention that news organizations seeking information regarding my current situation have, due to the difficulty in contacting me directly, been misled by individuals associated with my father into printing false claims about my situation.

I would like to correct the record: I've been fortunate to have legal advice from an international team of some of the finest lawyers in the world, and to work with journalists whose integrity and courage are beyond question. There is no conflict amongst myself and any of the individuals or organizations with whom I have been involved.

Neither my father, his lawyer Bruce Fein, nor his wife Mattie Fein represent me in any way. None of them have been or are involved in my current situation, and this will not change in the future. I ask journalists to understand that they do not possess any special knowledge regarding my situation or future plans, and not to exploit the tragic vacuum of my father's emotional compromise for the sake of tabloid news.

Thank you.>>
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/15/edward-snowden-media-misled_n_3764560.html

Number23

(24,544 posts)
83. Seems as though a genuine rift is growing between Snowden and his father
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 09:50 PM
Aug 2013

Which is really quite sad.

Dad doesn't trust GG. Snowden does.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
32. That should have been "the 'secretive' antisecrecy group WikiLeaks".
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 02:04 PM
Aug 2013

Snowden still has no friends. Every faction is looking to make him their poster boy. Except for his father, I guess. But apparently there was never any love lost there.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

deurbano

(2,895 posts)
43. Headline is misleading. Original title of the 2-day-old article:
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 03:52 PM
Aug 2013

"Edward Snowden Talks With His Father— But Lawyers for Both Sides Disapproved of the Internet Chat"

If you actually read the article, the first headline was a more accurate reflection of the contents. I'm not sure why the title was changed. (Murdoch's WSJ stirring the pot?)

This was the article to which Snowden was responding when he wrote the following (For those interested in these matters, Snowden is distancing himself from Bruce Fein, someone who actually worked on the Ron Paul 2012 campaign):

<<It has come to my attention that news organizations seeking information regarding my current situation have, due to the difficulty in contacting me directly, been misled by individuals associated with my father into printing false claims about my situation.

I would like to correct the record: I've been fortunate to have legal advice from an international team of some of the finest lawyers in the world, and to work with journalists whose integrity and courage are beyond question. There is no conflict amongst myself and any of the individuals or organizations with whom I have been involved.

Neither my father, his lawyer Bruce Fein, nor his wife Mattie Fein represent me in any way. None of them have been or are involved in my current situation, and this will not change in the future. I ask journalists to understand that they do not possess any special knowledge regarding my situation or future plans, and not to exploit the tragic vacuum of my father's emotional compromise for the sake of tabloid news.

Thank you.>>
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/15/edward-snowden-media-misled_n_3764560.html


 

burnodo

(2,017 posts)
54. You'd think some would pay attention to this point
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 04:09 PM
Aug 2013
Neither my father, his lawyer Bruce Fein, nor his wife Mattie Fein represent me in any way. None of them have been or are involved in my current situation

Cha

(297,180 posts)
48. Ya think!
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 04:03 PM
Aug 2013
"The thing we have been most concerned about is that the people who have influence over Ed will try to use him for their own means," Ms. Fein said. "These guys have their own agenda here and we aren't so sure that it has Ed's best interest in mind."

Some of us have been saying that for months! Welcome to reality .. Mattie Fein.
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
62. The father is concerned about his son, adrmirable trait.
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 04:36 PM
Aug 2013

And he is right. His son will get used and then thrown away when he no longer has any value to the Russians.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
93. Reading is fundemental
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 06:38 AM
Aug 2013

If you would read instead of going off the deep end, dad and dad's lawyer (Rand Paul's lawyer) are being pushed off because the son and others more recently close to him doesn't trust dad's posse. That's a real issue when you having people represent you. It doesn't sound like dad is really looking out for his son, but more of some kind power play that isn't working in that relationship.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
97. So is spelling...
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 01:23 PM
Aug 2013

It's "fundamental".
If you are going to lecture someone on reading, you might want to spell correctly.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
92. So love that you are giving mad props to snake oil peddler and libertarian Bruce Fein.
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 04:10 AM
Aug 2013

Not Not Not

But totally

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