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Glenn Greenwald's partner detained at Heathrow airport for nine hoursDavid Miranda, partner of Guardian interviewer of whistleblower Edward Snowden, questioned under Terrorism Act
Guardian staff * The Guardian * Sunday 18 August 2013
The partner of the Guardian journalist who has written a series of stories revealing mass surveillance programmes by the US National Security Agency was held for almost nine hours on Sunday by UK authorities as he passed through London's Heathrow airport on his way home to Rio de Janeiro.
David Miranda, who lives with Glenn Greenwald, was returning from a trip to Berlin when he was stopped by officers at 8.30am and informed that he was to be questioned under schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act 2000. The controversial law, which applies only at airports, ports and border areas, allows officers to stop, search, question and detain individuals.
The 28-year-old was held for nine hours, the maximum the law allows before officers must release or formally arrest the individual. According to official figures, most examinations under schedule 7 over 97% last under an hour, and only one in 2,000 people detained are kept for more than six hours.
Miranda was then released without charge, but officials confiscated electronics equipment including his mobile phone, laptop, camera, memory sticks, DVDs and games consoles.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/18/glenn-greenwald-guardian-partner-detained-heathrow
dkf
(37,305 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)He'd already got bored of golf....
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Remain calm. All is well.
MotherPetrie
(3,145 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Stop and search without reasonable suspicion
No right to legal advice
A criminal offense to refuse to cooperate with questioning thus no right to silence
May be held up to 9 hours
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)drokhole
(1,230 posts)HardTimes99
(2,049 posts)at the synchronicity. Maybe pure serendipity but one does wonder at times.
LearningCurve
(488 posts)Thanks
drokhole
(1,230 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)So, now not just Journalists are terrorists but their wives, husbands, partners, mothers, fathers, children, aunts and uncles, grandparents.
That's just about everyone.
This has got to stop. That was pure harassment and intended to be. THIS is why all these 'terror' laws are so dangerous. Because they can be and are being used to terrorize people who have zero to do with terror.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Greenwald writes about it here:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/18/david-miranda-detained-uk-nsa
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)increase opposition to these draconian policies. They must be desperate for some reason. What are they so afraid of??
MisterP
(23,730 posts)heck, even the Blairite water privatization got into Order of the Phoenix
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Can they do that without charging him with a crime?
FirstLight
(13,360 posts)What, are they looking for something of Snowden's on Greenwald's PARTNER'S electronics? where's the subpoena?
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)Always send electronics you actually need via FedEx or DHL, etc.
valerief
(53,235 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)From the Article:
"Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act has been widely criticised for giving police broad powers under the guise of anti-terror legislation to stop and search individuals without prior authorisation or reasonable suspicion setting it apart from other police powers. Those stopped have no automatic right to legal advice and it is a criminal offense to refuse to cooperate with questioning under schedule 7, which critics say is a curtailment of the right to silence.
Last month, the UK government announced it would reduce the maximum period of detention to six hours, and promised a review of the operation on schedule 7 amid concerns that it unfairly targets minority groups and gives individuals fewer legal protections than they would have if detained at a police station."
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)certainly this is prime example of why it has been so controversial. Abuse of power to the max and more cynical use of the phony 'terror' war.
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)going to be a horrid place. ... and for many already is ...
burnodo
(2,017 posts)come home to roost
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totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)burnodo
(2,017 posts)TeamPooka
(24,225 posts)Don't do that.
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Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)The other day I alerted on a anti-semitic slur against Greenwald and I was pleasantly surprised that the commenter was shown the door.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Downwinder
(12,869 posts)Reciprocity.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Not many!
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Last edited Sun Aug 18, 2013, 04:37 PM - Edit history (1)
Wouldn't it? 's After the Bolivian incident.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)...or so they say.
Sometimes I think Cheeenie's still behind the wheel.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)it took 3 replies.
Sid
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Then again, it is the weekend.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Well, there is post #3. But I think that may have been sarcastic.
Vinnie From Indy
(10,820 posts)from terrorists.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)as the "it's all hype" one is wearing out fast.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)But they obviously had zero suspicion that David was associated with a terrorist organization or involved in any terrorist plot. Instead, they spent their time interrogating him about the NSA reporting which Laura Poitras, the Guardian and I are doing, as well the content of the electronic products he was carrying. They completely abused their own terrorism law for reasons having nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism: a potent reminder of how often governments lie when they claim that they need powers to stop "the terrorists", and how dangerous it is to vest unchecked power with political officials in its name.
Worse, they kept David detained right up until the last minute: for the full 9 hours, something they very rarely do. Only at the last minute did they finally release him. We spent all day - as every hour passed - worried that he would be arrested and charged under a terrorism statute. This was obviously designed to send a message of intimidation to those of us working journalistically on reporting on the NSA and its British counterpart, the GCHQ.
Before letting him go, they seized numerous possessions of his, including his laptop, his cellphone, various video game consuls, DVDs, USB sticks, and other materials. They did not say when they would return any of it, or if they would.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)under the control of the Corporate Media who tend to tell the truth and don't submit to this kind of intimidation'.
I hope Greenwald and his Partner have protection.
What are they so afraid of? What are they so desperate to hide? What have they been up to?
I keep thinking of Ron Wyden's statement that what we have seen so far is 'just the tip of the iceberg'. And you have to consider that even what he has seen, is the tip of an even bigger iceberg.
reusrename
(1,716 posts)Basically,
anti-fascist = terrorist.
JEB
(4,748 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)something only thugs do.
JEB
(4,748 posts)Smells like global fascism.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)The U.S. State Department on China
http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/hrrpt/2010/eap/154382.htm
KoKo
(84,711 posts)And, that this can be done to any citizen in the word passing through London without them even having a lawyer present is frightening. Do we know how many people might have been flagged and who didn't have good connections who might have been whisked away to one of our Detention Centers. Who would know?
CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)... a tactic that has a distinctly unsavory smell to it, at that.
frylock
(34,825 posts)CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)the formerly RW "Chicago Thug" meme is looking to go mainstream here.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Pretty is as pretty does. Thugish is as thugish does I suppose.
If you act like a Democrat, you will be respected as a Democrat.
If you act like a thug, you will be called a thug.
Not naming any names. Don't need to.
Autumn
(45,082 posts)And if this is exactly how it happened it's going to make the administration look very bad.
HardTimes99
(2,049 posts)be mis-remembering, but I'm pretty sure La Cosa Nostra had a code of honor, such that 'civilians' were not touched.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)but there is some confusion about it, because it was sometimes breached, but never-the-less,
I think there was indeed such a code of honor.
HardTimes99
(2,049 posts)made a similar point. I guess great minds think alike
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)and reason for some paranoia
Eat that PS.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Who's that?
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)Dr. Strange
(25,921 posts)I must profess.
Cha
(297,211 posts)terminal PSDS.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)That would mean that the poster was trying to avoid a rule violation through stealth naming presumably recognizable to the posters friends, but vague enough to be denied to authorities, and that can't be the case, because that would make the poster not only a juvenile shithead acting like a bully with a pack of likeminded junior-high level bullying assholes, but also an extreme fucking coward who can't even stand behind the force of his or her accusation, and I know that neither of those scenarios (shithead bully winking to other bully friends, and/or pathetic cowardly asshole) can possibly be true of Ichingcarpenter, who is a long-serving member in good standing and would never stoop to pathetic, cowardly, bullying call-outs of that sort.
I reject your claim categorically!
Cha
(297,211 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Is the universe trying to crap out a secret message or something?
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
iamthebandfanman
(8,127 posts)have been spying on each others citizens to avoid said countries laws since the late 40s :p
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)people feel now that they know for sure that their Government is just another puppet Government. Those leaks confirmed what many suspected when Blair earned himself the title 'Bush's Poodle'.
burnodo
(2,017 posts)right Candadian Sid?
iamthebandfanman
(8,127 posts)the new world order has begun! NOOOO!!!
East Coast Pirate
(775 posts)Autumn
(45,082 posts)to be terrorist though. Yes it happened in the UK but this was done for the US.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Matariki
(18,775 posts)Because this bullshit cannot stand.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)It could have been worse with a child in the mix, since that IS his spouse.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)or weren't a heterosexual couple because a child in the mix would have been worse, since this was obviously targeted to the spouse and/or family members.
LuvNewcastle
(16,845 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Hope he can keep safe. As for Miranda's Miranda rights. Like in the UK, he hasn't got any, any more, in the USA.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)program and they are not happy about it.
Now might be a good time for both of them to ask for protection in Chile, asylum actually. Because this incident is a warning to them imo.
Next we may see charges against Greenwald for 'espionage' and they might wait for him to be on his way somewhere.
If that sounds surreal, it is no more so than what has happened to other journalists, and/or organizations, like Wikileaks, or Al Jazeera during the Bush years.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Brazil also was a victim of US spying and most of South America learned what the US thought of them from the Wikileaks cables.
It's a shame that US allies tend to be Dictatorships around the world, while refusing to deal honestly with true Democracies like those emerging in South America.
We never have liked Democracies very much, looking at our history over the last century, Dictators were far more popular with the US and its European, former Imperialists, allies.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)MjolnirTime
(1,800 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)You say this in every single thread that pops up about this. EVERY single one. No one cares. You can't seem to quit following it, though.
JoeyT
(6,785 posts)he seems to be typing one handed while fantasizing about torture and indefinite detention.
I don't creep easily. Some of his posts about Greenwald/Snowden have managed it in spades.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)who recently tweeted how he looked forward to defending the drone strike that takes out Julian Assange. It says a lot more about the person saying such things than it possibly could about their "target."
MjolnirTime
(1,800 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)MjolnirTime
(1,800 posts)That doesn't mean Snowden and Greenwald won't be tried for conspiracy to steal state secrets.
Both things can happen at the same time.
For example,
Bradley Manning was just convicted for his crimes.
Yet most of the American Public doesn't know or care who Bradley Manning is.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)"It's HammerTime"
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)We have successfully become what we once most despised.
HardTimes99
(2,049 posts)Kelly reference is quite a propos, imho.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,315 posts)In case Greenwald has put some of his data there as a back-up if he is detained. This might, conceivably, include looking for the encryption code for the Wikileaks 'insurance' data.
Plus a bit of intimidation too.
This makes me ashamed for my country. Sorry, Rest of the World.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)Seriously. He can scrap all that electronic equipment and start anew.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Oh no. Not Greenwald's partner!
This is a clownfest.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)that if it were your partner, you wouldn't be laughing.
HardTimes99
(2,049 posts)Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)the kind that makes my skin crawl. The ignore button is looking better and better....
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)for 9 hours and I was unable to speak to him directly or by proxy through a lawyer, I would be in great distress.
Arkana
(24,347 posts)Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)It means we can debate the topics that matter freely. It means that in the 1850's, people could write about Slavery, and the public could consider the issue. It means that during the 1960's, we could consider the issues of the war in Viet-Nam.
So where in history can we find a time when things could not be discussed? Foreign history, plenty of examples. American History, some examples too. In the 1950's you couldn't print that the Government was using the Red Scare to intimidate people into compliance. You couldn't print that while there may be Communists in Government, that hunting them with such a dense instrument was asinine. You couldn't write that it was a witch-hunt of the worst sort.
It's amazing that so many people on our side, the traditional side of Civil Rights, have abandoned those principles of late.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)"consent" that is based on lies and deception is not real consent.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)struggle4progress
(118,282 posts)helping to disseminate Mr Snowden's leaks. The trip had been paid for by The Guardian, Mr Greenwald said ...
Snowden journalist's partner detained under terror law
August 19, 2013 - 10:22AM
Charlie Savage
http://www.smh.com.au/world/snowden-journalists-partner-detained-under-terror-law-20130819-2s5vz.html
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Last edited Sun Aug 18, 2013, 10:17 PM - Edit history (1)
... according to the British government." Miranda was held for exactly 9 hours, the absolute maximum allowed. If that doesn't suggest that this was deliberate harassment I don't know what would.
Whats amazing is this law, called the Terrorism Act, gives them a right to detain and question you about your activities with a terrorist organization or your possible involvement in or knowledge of a terrorism plot, Mr. Greenwald said. The only thing they were interested in was N.S.A. documents and what I was doing with Laura Poitras." {i.e. they were NOT questioned about anything to do with terrorism, which is what the law says the purpose of the questioning is supposed to be)