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for 9 hours
At the time the "security official" called me, David had been detained for 3 hours. The security official told me that they had the right to detain him for up to 9 hours in order to question him, at which point they could either arrest and charge him or ask a court to extend the question time. The official - who refused to give his name but would only identify himself by his number: 203654 - said David was not allowed to have a lawyer present, nor would they allow me to talk to him.
I immediately contacted the Guardian, which sent lawyers to the airport, as well various Brazilian officials I know. Within the hour, several senior Brazilian officials were engaged and expressing indignation over what was being done. The Guardian has the full story here.
Despite all that, five more hours went by and neither the Guardian's lawyers nor Brazilian officials, including the Ambassador to the UK in London, were able to obtain any information about David. We spent most of that time contemplating the charges he would likely face once the 9-hour period elapsed.
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But they obviously had zero suspicion that David was associated with a terrorist organization or involved in any terrorist plot. Instead, they spent their time interrogating him about the NSA reporting which Laura Poitras, the Guardian and I are doing, as well the content of the electronic products he was carrying. They completely abused their own terrorism law for reasons having nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism: a potent reminder of how often governments lie when they claim that they need powers to stop "the terrorists", and how dangerous it is to vest unchecked power with political officials in its name.
Worse, they kept David detained right up until the last minute: for the full 9 hours, something they very rarely do. Only at the last minute did they finally release him. We spent all day - as every hour passed - worried that he would be arrested and charged under a terrorism statute. This was obviously designed to send a message of intimidation to those of us working journalistically on reporting on the NSA and its British counterpart, the GCHQ.
Before letting him go, they seized numerous possessions of his, including his laptop, his cellphone, various video game consoles, DVDs, USB sticks, and other materials. They did not say when they would return any of it, or if they would.
This is obviously a rather profound escalation of their attacks on the news-gathering process and journalism. It's bad enough to prosecute and imprison sources. It's worse still to imprison journalists who report the truth. But to start detaining the family members and loved ones of journalists is simply despotic. Even the Mafia had ethical rules against targeting the family members of people they feel threatened by. But the UK puppets and their owners in the US national security state obviously are unconstrained by even those minimal scruples.
If the UK and US governments believe that tactics like this are going to deter or intimidate us in any way from continuing to report aggressively on what these documents reveal, they are beyond deluded. If anything, it will have only the opposite effect: to embolden us even further. Beyond that, every time the US and UK governments show their true character to the world - when they prevent the Bolivian President's plane from flying safely home, when they threaten journalists with prosecution, when they engage in behavior like what they did today - all they do is helpfully underscore why it's so dangerous to allow them to exercise vast, unchecked spying power in the dark.
David was unable to call me because his phone and laptop are now with UK authorities. So I don't yet know what they told him. But the Guardian's lawyer was able to speak with him immediately upon his release, and told me that, while a bit distressed from the ordeal, he was in very good spirits and quite defiant, and he asked the lawyer to convey that defiance to me. I already share it, as I'm certain US and UK authorities will soon see.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/18/david-miranda-detained-uk-nsa
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)This is indeed very very chilling.
and worth bookmarking, as we collect examples of the increasing Stasi behavior both here and in UK.
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...this is frightening.
The security state at its finest.
I sincerely hope we do not see anyone defending this.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)from the usual group of authoritarian surveillence state apologists. And no doubt they'll work Rand Paul and racism into their lame comments.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Is that what he means here?
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
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SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Therefore none of this matters.
Oh, and his web site uses cookies, which is the moral equivalent of detaining someone for nine hours and confiscating his possessions.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)*
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)If you're implying that I'm attacking a straw man, I can do a bit of a search and give you links to posts on DU in which each of these points about Greenwald has been made.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)....and thoroughly debunked last week.
We've moved on.
"Its ALL hype" is the new Talking Point.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)burnodo
(2,017 posts)WTF are you talking about?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Medical treatment.
burnodo
(2,017 posts)are in league with the Chinese government?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Those going to Hong Kong are in league with the Chinese government, I was not aware of that.