Just one example of why I dont see Greenwalds reporting as trustworthy.

[Egnever]

Today he wrote this...

"This is obviously a rather profound escalation of their attacks on the news-gathering process and journalism. It's bad enough to prosecute and imprison sources. It's worse still to imprison journalists who report the truth. But to start detaining the family members and loved ones of journalists is simply despotic. Even the Mafia had ethical rules against targeting the family members of people they felt threatened by. But the UK puppets and their owners in the US national security state obviously are unconstrained by even those minimal scruples."

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/18/david-miranda-detained-uk-nsa

Such a manipulative statement made to pull at heartstrings. Who would agree with the government detaining innocent family members.
That would be contemptible. I am quite sure no one would agree with that and so is Glen.

Of course what he doesn't mention is his partner is not an innocent family member, in fact he intentionally tries to mislead you into believing that he is. Of course he has a hard time keeping his stories straight and he lets slip the truth in another interview.

Mr. Miranda was in Berlin to deliver documents related to Mr. Greenwald’s investigation into government surveillance to Ms. Poitras, Mr. Greenwald said. Ms. Poitras, in turn, gave Mr. Miranda different documents to pass to Mr. Greenwald. Those documents, which were stored on encrypted thumb drives, were confiscated by airport security, Mr. Greenwald said. All of the documents came from the trove of materials provided to the two journalists by Mr. Snowden. The British authorities seized all of his electronic media — including video games, DVDs and data storage devices — and did not return them, Mr. Greenwald said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/19/world/europe/britain-detains-partner-of-reporter-tied-to-leaks.html?_r=0.

So Mr Miranada is not some innocent family member swept up for no reason other than intimidation as Greenwald wants you to believe in his story. He is a willing participant in the story acting as a courier to deliver documents back and forth between Greenwald and his associate in Germany.

Now you can argue that there is no proof that any of the encrypted documents he was carrying back and forth were the documents stolen by Snowden but it is pretty hard to buy into the idea that he was some innocent bystander after Greenwald himself admits to him transporting documents related to the story back and forth.

His original story on the incident is trying to play people and produce outrage based on false claims that MR. Miranda has nothing to do with this story.

This guy has trouble with the truth yet wants to be seen as the purveyor of truth.

Excuse me while I continue to take anything he reports with a grain of salt.

[Recursion]

1. That's what angers me: it's a big, important story, but he's blown his credibility

There are important, bad things happening, but GG's sensationalism and sloppiness (to put it charitably) are getting in the way of people finding out what they are. That's been my complaint this whole time.

[uponit7771]

3. AMEN!!!

[Egnever]

4. Yup it is an important story and has been for almost a decade

On one hand I am glad it is finally getting the attention it deserves, on the other this guy clearly has an agenda and the truth isnt it.

I would much prefer we could have a truthful substantive discussion on these programs and the changes that need to be made in them.

I think GG's clear willingness to stretch the truth is making an honest discussion of what is and isn't going on and what needs to be done almost impossible.

[uponit7771]

6. +1

[bl968]

37. If you tell a big enough lie often enough people start to believe it.

This type of post is pure Joseph Goebbels. Greenwald is even more credible now, than he was before he started leaking the snowden documents. The parent post is a perfect example of that.

[stevenleser]

54. Yet you cannot give a single example of a point in the OP that is incorrect. Who is Goebbels here?

Goebbels would have uttered exactly what you did at something he didn't like but couldn't refute factually.

[spicegal]

43. I have admired GG in the past, but not so much with this story. He is clearly lying when he claims

family members are being detained. I believe Snowden broke the law, AND find it peculiar that he seeks refuge in a despotic oppressive country. Good luck with that Mr. Snowden. You think collecting a limited amount of phone records is bad, stay in Russia long enough and I'll suspect you'll realize just how good you had it in the good ole USA.

[HumansAndResources]

56. Don't "Mislead" - FORCED into Refuge in Russia By the State Dept

Otherwise, he would likely be in Ecuador right now. Going to call them "despotic and oppressive" too? Read some Latin American history before you do. You might want to even consider whether Russia or the USA is more "despotic and oppressive" today for the average citizen. How many people have gotten the "Manning" treatment in Russia for leaking government wrongdoing? Do they have a Guantanamo? Is "Indefinite Detention" the "Law of the Land"?? Think about it.

[stevenleser]

60. Right, the US "forced" him to take the documents and "forced" him to flee and "forced" him to choose

Hong Kong as his destination and then...

[uponit7771]

2. *****THIS IS WHY I DON'T TRUST GREENWALD!!***** Few if ANYTHING that guy has said is out right true!

Few if ANYTHING Greenwald has said is not full of bullshit ass'd lies or half truths!!!

This reminds me of the Iraq war shit, the Bush admin level sophistry that goes into explaining why we have to attack a country that had nothing to do with 911.

Why has Snowden gone to an oppressive country to .... escape oppression?!!?!?!?

REALLY!?

If it doesn't make sense on it's face then it's doesn't make sense.............PERIOD

[brisas2k]

81. Some never learn.. something gets in their way

He left for a "despotic country" because his own " despotic country" could no longer guarantee that he would survive it.

As simple as that, you know it.

[uponit7771]

88. Now US is a "despotic Country"!??! You forgot to mention fast and furious no?!

[Summer Hathaway]

5. Just posted this in another thread

I think it's on point here as well:

What I can't get past is Greenwald's 'shock and awe' at the idea of his spouse - carrying all kinds of computer equipment, devices, etc., after having just been in Berlin for the sole purpose of meeting Greenwald's business partner re Snowden - would be detained and questioned.

"It's just an attempt to intimidate ME!"

Seriously, Glenn? You didn't see this coming? You didn't tweak to the idea that having told the world you are in possession of documents that could bring the US to its knees, your spouse would never be suspected of transferring said documents - especially in light of the aforementioned circumstances - and detained and questioned as a result?

Are you really THAT dumb? Or did you just want to play the persecuted hero yet again - regardless of what 'unpleasantness' might befall your own husband?

That GG - what a piece of work. It didn't take long to cast himself as the ultimate victim - as always.

[uponit7771]

7. I bet this part is going is his book, GG's a world class asshole. I just found out assange hearts

...drudge and thinks the overt and outright racist Raund Pauls are the best....

This whole bit stinks to high heaven

I think there needs to be oversight on the agencies but damn, the whole "gov is bad" bullshit is so winger...smells of winger

Somethings not right

[Summer Hathaway]

8. Ah, yes, the book

This incident will undoubtedly have an entire chapter devoted to it - and GG, of course, will emerge as the heroic figure who refused to be intimidated.

His spouse will be cast in a minor supporting role - along with everyone else who isn't GG.

[Whisp]

77. His book title: Bye This Book, SUCKERS!

and he will get more sales.

It's come to that.

[Hissyspit]

10. "This was obviously designed to send a message of intimidation to those of us working journalistica

"This was obviously designed to send a message of intimidation to those of us working journalistically on reporting on the NSA and its British counterpart, the GCHQ."

That's not the same as "ME!"

[Egnever]

12. I don't understand what you are trying to say here.

[Hissyspit]

13. Really?

Singular vs plural?

Poster said Greenwald says its about "ME!"

All the quotes I have read Greenwald says it's about "us."

Greenwald: "The actions of the UK pose a serious threat to journalists everywhere."

"But the last thing it will do is intimidate or deter us in any way from doing our job as journalists. Quite the contrary: it will only embolden us more to continue to report aggressively."

[Egnever]

15. Ahh ok now I get it

I appreciate the clarification.

[Summer Hathaway]

17. Actually, it is.

GG's outrage was focused on "a message of intimidation to those of us working journalistically" - his spouse's nine-hour detention and questioning at Heathrow was secondary to GG's outrage that HE was the one being intimidated.

Face it - it's GG's world, it's all about HIM. EVERYTHING that happens to anyone - including his own spouse - is ultimately ALL ABOUT GG.

[Hissyspit]

18. Bullshit.

Greenwald: "The actions of the UK pose a serious threat to journalists everywhere."

"But the last thing it will do is intimidate or deter us in any way from doing our job as journalists. Quite the contrary: it will only embolden us more to continue to report aggressively."

Ad Hominem.

[Summer Hathaway]

19. And what journalist is GG concerned with here?

I don't remember GG's spouse ever being identified as a 'journalist'.

[Hissyspit]

20. Quit playing games.

[Summer Hathaway]

23. Unlike many here

I do not consider focusing on the facts to be "playing games".

[Hissyspit]

24. You mean the fact that you just changed "journalists" to "journalist"

and you changed "us" to "me?"

[Summer Hathaway]

27. If you want to argue

that GG's statement about "journalists" wasn't part of his usual self-serving rhetoric, so be it.

If my spouse had been detained and questioned for nine hours at Heathrow, my focus wouldn't be on how people in my profession are treated - it would be on my spouse, and how HE was treated.

[Hissyspit]

30. Oh good grief.

[HumansAndResources]

61. Which Is It?

So then, he should have said "Me and Mine" - so you could then say he was being "self-serving"? That is an oft-used tactic by the powerful regarding those exposing their crimes - shoot the messenger, slime the messenger, etc - which may just be why he didn't provide exactly the ammunition you wanted.

Greenwald has been one-step-ahead through this whole affair - releasing a document, waiting for the government to lie, then releasing another document which reveals that lie. Let us hope this continues until the NSA is GONE.

The only reason for its existence (and the rest of the "Intelligence" apparatus) is to protect the Overseas Vested Interests of Transnational Corporations and their Military Base (USA) from the Blowback from their Global-thievery and support of the Terrorist Death Gangs who have done their bidding all over the world - including the Mujahadeen and its offshoots.

[Swagman]

25. why are people like Assange , Greenwald etc labeled

'egotists' ?

I've never seen such fevered, crass attempts to destroy the messenger.

[Summer Hathaway]

29. Ah, my guess

- and this is just a shot in the dark here - is that people like Assange and Greenwald INVARIABLY ACT LIKE EGOTISTS.

[brisas2k]

83. it's called psyops, psychological warfare operations

Psy Ops have been defined as planned psychological activities designed to influence attitudes and behaviour affecting the achievement of political and military objectives.

To help try to clarify Psy Ops, it is suggested that a tactical commander focus upon two key aspects of the definition, namely: Psychological Activities, the ‘how’ of Psy Ops, and Attitudes and Behaviours, the ‘what’ of Psy Ops.

"...If we want to understand how al Qaeda has survived and adapted since the war in Afghanistan, how it has transformed itself...the most important single factor to look at is its use of the Internet. The Internet is a weapon of great power in twenty-first-century warfare...Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was known to the public only through leaks from American and Jordanian intelligence. Then, in little more than a month...he rocketed to worldwide fame, infamy if you will, by a deliberate combination of extreme violence and Internet publicity."

(Of course, I won't tell you how AQ managed to do that amid the most profound search and destroy mission ever undertaken by american empire officers. That will be for later.)

Attitudes and Behaviours.

Simply stated, Psy Ops attempt to influence the attitudes and behaviours of selected target audiences. As such, all Psy Ops will have at their core one of three common objectives:

1 Weaken the will of the adversary by lowering morale and reducing the efficiency of his force by creating doubt, dissonance, and disaffection.
2 Reinforce feelings of friendly target audiences.
3 Gain the support of uncommitted or undecided audiences.
4. Counterops: If 1 to 3 are not achievable, at least, weaken the enemy's ideological positions and reasoning.

[MADem]

35. And to ice the cake...GUARDIAN paid Miranda's air fare. He wasn't on vacation!

He was a courier, a mule. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/18/glenn-greenwald-guardian-partner-detained-heathrow

While in Berlin, Miranda had visited Laura Poitras, the US film-maker who has also been working on the Snowden files with Greenwald and the Guardian. The Guardian paid for Miranda's flights.

Now, the question is, what's Miranda's relationship with the Guardian? Contractor? Employee? Nice guy they give plane tickets to? Or does Guardian hand out airfare to every columnist's significant other just .... because?

[Cha]

40. So, that makes this "mafia" hysteria even more sick.

From OP..

"This is obviously a rather profound escalation of their attacks on the news-gathering process and journalism. It's bad enough to prosecute and imprison sources. It's worse still to imprison journalists who report the truth. But to start detaining the family members and loved ones of journalists is simply despotic. Even the Mafia had ethical rules against targeting the family members of people they felt threatened by. But the UK puppets and their owners in the US national security state obviously are unconstrained by even those minimal scruples."

What a fucking tool. Who the hell does he think he is.. talking about "scruples"?

Poor gg

[msanthrope]

53. GG is either the stupidest spymaker on the planet, or this is pure set-up. nt

[davidpdx]

9. He pretty much accuses Obama of being a despot

and the UK of being the 51st US state. I'm waiting for the torture claim to come out. Given the events that seems like the next logical claim.

[Swagman]

26. if the shoe fits

I reckon a president who has given himself the power of life and death over his own citizens could be labelled a ......well you tell me.

[davidpdx]

49. I think you know how I feel

[geek tragedy]

65. I reckon you fit in with these guys pretty well:

[cantbeserious]

42. Seems Appropriate Given Obama's Actions To Date

eom

[geek tragedy]

68. So, you agree with people who publish this kind of stuff:

You really have no idea what a despot is.

[cantbeserious]

70. Never Said Anything Of The Type - However I No Longer Trust This President

eom

[geek tragedy]

73. You said it's appropriate to describe him as a despot.

So, how is it okay to call him a despot but not to compare him to Hitler and Stalin?

[cantbeserious]

74. His Actions Are Becoming Despotic - 'nuff Said

eom

[geek tragedy]

75. So, you do agree with those signs. You think it's fair to describe him

as a dictator based on actions you imagine are despotic.

[cantbeserious]

76. I Do Not Joust With Those That Put Words In My Mouth - Nice Day

eom

[DisgustipatedinCA]

71. what the fuck is wrong with you? You're the person posting rightwing garbage non-stop.

You spend your time at some pretty sick websites.

[geek tragedy]

72. There is a certain breed of nutjob who accuses the President of being a dictator/fascist/despot/

tyrant/Nazi etc.

They are readily discoverable via google, and sadly right here at DU.

[Cha]

44. Yeah, gg is acting all indignant about the "Mafia" and shit. Might as well

throw in a dig at the USA and Britain in there for his "fans".

"This is obviously a rather profound escalation of their attacks on the news-gathering process and journalism. It's bad enough to prosecute and imprison sources. It's worse still to imprison journalists who report the truth. But to start detaining the family members and loved ones of journalists is simply despotic. Even the Mafia had ethical rules against targeting the family members of people they felt threatened by. But the UK puppets and their owners in the US national security state obviously are unconstrained by even those minimal scruples."

gg is the one who is without "scruples".. and those freaking "ethics".. he's whining about.

[JDPriestly]

11. This key sentence is unattributed.

All of the documents came from the trove of materials provided to the two journalists by Mr. Snowden.

And it is the only one that asserts the claim that Miranda was carrying anything that the authorities could have legitimately been interested in.

We shall see what the follow-up stories are. But talk about hair on fire and exaggerations and rushing to assume theories without evidence.

Why in the world do people defend the over-reaching government surveillance.

Everybody needs to watch the Bill Moyers video on Iran-Contra and the history of the NSA before condemning Greenwald as some extreme libertarian. Libertarian he may be, but there is nothing extreme about being suspicious of the conduct of the NSA in this matter or in opposing this surveillance.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017139372

Enjoy. Puts it all in perspective -- and calmly.

[Egnever]

14. Again I will have to dissagree

the key sentence is

" But to start detaining the family members and loved ones of journalists is simply despotic. Even the Mafia had ethical rules against targeting the family members of people they felt threatened by. But the UK puppets and their owners in the US national security state obviously are unconstrained by even those minimal scruples"

This is blatant distortion of the truth. It is an attempt to portray Mr. Miranda as an innocent bystander with no connection to the story other than the fact that he is Greenwalds partner.

This is completely false as GG himself admits in the interview Mr. Miranda was carrying documents related to the story back and forth and that the trip was paid for by the guardian.

Sorry but GG's original version of the story was a blatant distortion of reality and he confirmed his distortion himself in an interview later in the day.

This isn't the only example of him distorting the truth just the latest.

This guy has an agenda and the truth isn't it.

[Hissyspit]

16. And what is the agenda of people apparently happy to see the UK

acting like Iran?

Osama bin Laden once again getting what he wanted?

[Egnever]

21. Well that was over the top

So you think its fine for GG to try to manipulate people with this BS story of his innocent boyfriend who had nothing to do with snowden?

The British government detaining someone for 9 hours in order to investigate the possibility of him carrying stolen US intelligence is hardly acting like Iran.

I think you are losing all perspective on this story. You might want to take a breather.

[Hissyspit]

22. No it's not and no I don't want.

[tsuki]

38. And you think overreach and government intimidation is fine.

[iamthebandfanman]

31. hope he wanted to be dead

cause the intelligence community definitely gave him that :p

[Hissyspit]

32. Yeah.

That's kind of beside the point for a zealous martyr.

But I was aware.

[randome]

33. Being in possession of stolen materials?

Right. That makes the U.K. exactly like Iran.

What I want to see now is Putin kicking Snowden out of the country for violating the terms of his temporary asylum.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.[/center][/font][hr]

[Hissyspit]

34. In treatment of journalists and family members?

Yes.

Terror.

Re: Snowden. Did he? Wouldn't you like to wait for the facts first?

[randome]

39. Waiting for the facts is always warranted.

If Miranda had been trying to smuggle a gun through the airport, you would see it as 'harassment' if the U.K. stopped him?

And I specifically said seeing Snowden get the boot is something I want to see happen. Primarily because I want to learn more about how he came to this strange alliance with Greenwald, Wikileaks, Russia, etc.

But no, there is no evidence that Snowden broke the terms of his temporary asylum. That was an assumption for me.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.[/center][/font][hr]

[MotherPetrie]

36. People are defending over-reaching govt. surveillance because it's Obama's govt. surveillance.

What they're really defending is MyPresident. No way in hell would they defend this under BushCo. It's entirely dependent on whether our DL has an R or D after his or her name.

[Pholus]

41. Yes, a version of Franken's "like a four year old loves her mommy."

The issue is nuanced, complex and substantive, but because it makes the President look bad it must certainly be because it is a conspiracy, or because the people advancing it are bad people.

What they cannot accept is that our President, who in 2005 would be a libertarian by their own standards, did an abrupt about face in 2008 and decided to get into bed with the Bushies when it came to dragnet surveillance. This entire issue is a massive self-inflicted wound.

We knew the Bushies were assholes, we knew they were abusing dragnet surveillance and the GWOT. But, oh, no -- we just had to get on board with this and even leave their minions in the key positions.

The Bushies are laughing about this, all the way to the bank.

Yet the people seeing this simple trap are supposed to be the "right wing troll."

[cantbeserious]

46. IMHO - Dedicated Obama Supporters Are Having Difficulty Supporting A Bush Era Program

Now having grown substantially under Obama.

[MADem]

48. I think people would like the truth, not a lot of hyperbolic drip--drip--drip that turns out to be

either old news or misrepresented.

Snowden is no messiah, and Greenwald is a lousy messenger. We're not getting truth, we're getting DRAMA.

[stevenleser]

55. I'd even appreciate good Drama. We're not even getting that.

It's like a person after their first day of acting school practicing the outrage face they just learned.

[MADem]

58. Every day at DU is Day One at the Actor's Studio! nt

[Whisp]

78. LOL!

spot on!

[last1standing]

45. What do allegedly classified documents about Snowden have to do with terrorism?

I don't think even the worst of the Snowden haters have actually accused him of being a terrorist so why was Miranda held under the Terrorism Act? Doesn't Great Britain have laws allowing them to search suspected smugglers without labeling them as possible terrorists?

I think I'll reserve my grain of salt for governments using laws for purposes they were never meant to used for.

[David Krout]

47. In a blow to Glenn Greenwald, Egnever from DU says he still doesn't trust him

This is a turning point in the NSA debate.

Thanks!

[bowens43]

50. Yes let's continue to attack the messanger when we don't like the message....

[liberal N proud]

51. The OP is backed up with links supporting the position.

[AgingAmerican]

66. Greenwald is being attacked because

The domestic spying makes Obama look bad.

[SidDithers]

52. DU rec...

Greenwald never tells the whole story the first time. Never.

Sid

[madrchsod]

57. glen has zero credibility

the whole airport drama is just to melodramatic to be anything but a way for him to be the big story of the day. he knew they were going to detain him and he had nothing on any of the things they searched.

meanwhile snowden is twisting in the whirlwind.

[NoMoreWarNow]

59. there is some game playing here though-- why don't the authorities stop

Greenwald himself? The fact that they let Greenwald go around without their treatment, but harrass his partner, is weird.

It's also weird how the US never tried to take Snowden into custody when he was in the Moscow airport for weeks.

It's almost as if this is all a scripted drama.

[Zorra]

62. Your premise is shot down immediately, because it is based on a false assumption:

"This is obviously a rather profound escalation of their attacks on the news-gathering process and journalism. It's bad enough to prosecute and imprison sources. It's worse still to imprison journalists who report the truth. But to start detaining the family members and loved ones of journalists is simply despotic. Even the Mafia had ethical rules against targeting the family members of people they felt threatened by. But the UK puppets and their owners in the US national security state obviously are unconstrained by even those minimal scruples."

You are asserting in your OP that Greenwald is not, and never has been, trustworthy, because he is lying in this scenario, when all that he was saying is this:

"This is obviously a rather profound escalation of their attacks on the news-gathering process and journalism..."But to start detaining the family members and loved ones of journalists is simply despotic."

He apparently never said anything about his husband being innocent of carrying documents related to a story.

I do, however, suspect that Glenn knew his husband was going to be detained by the authorities, and that it is possible that he set the authorities up to further prove the lengths they will go to in order to hide the truth from the public.

"The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism - ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. "
-Franklin D. Roosevelt

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini

[ProSense]

63. That's completely disingenuous

You are asserting in your OP that Greenwald is not, and never has been, trustworthy, because he is lying in this scenario, when all that he was saying is this:

"This is obviously a rather profound escalation of their attacks on the news-gathering process and journalism..."But to start detaining the family members and loved ones of journalists is simply despotic."

He apparently never said anything about his husband being innocent of carrying documents related to a story.

That's the point of the OP. Greenwald's statement implies Miranda was targeted for being a family member. He was targeted because he was employed as a messenger of stolen government documents.

[Zorra]

85. That's some really shameless fail you are honkin' there, ma'am.

Mr. Miranda did nothing illegal. He is not a terrorist. Glenn is not a terrorist. There is/was no reason to suspect either of them of being involved in a terrorism plot. And if Mr. Miranda had stolen goods in his possession, why would the cops release him?

The OP selectively uses one paragraph to try to make his point, but ignores the contextual content of the rest of his article which makes his point invalid.

I don't understand how Glenn could be accused of misleading anyone; it completely obvious that he was not hiding anything:

“What’s amazing is this law, called the Terrorism Act, gives them a right to detain and question you about your activities with a terrorist organization or your possible involvement in or knowledge of a terrorism plot,” Mr. Greenwald said. “The only thing they were interested in was N.S.A. documents and what I was doing with Laura Poitras. It’s a total abuse of the law.” He added: “This is obviously a serious, radical escalation of what they are doing. He is my partner. He is not even a journalist.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/19/world/europe/britain-detains-partner-of-reporter-tied-to-leaks.html?_r=0.

Nowhere have I seen Glenn claim, or imply, that his husband was detained only for being a family member. He was detained for being a family member of a journalist, and an acquaintance of the journalists colleague. Y'all can see whatever implications you want, but it is plain as day, to anyone with reasonably decent reading and language skills, that the article that the OP is citing as evidence of duplicitous intention clearly never tries to paint Mr. Miranda as a family member who is not involved with the story:

David had spent the last week in Berlin, where he stayed with Laura Poitras, the US filmmaker who has worked with me extensively on the NSA stories. A Brazilian citizen, he was returning to our home in Rio de Janeiro this morning on British Airways, flying first to London and then on to Rio. When he arrived in London this morning, he was detained.

The stated purpose of this law, as the name suggests, is to question people about terrorism. The detention power, claims the UK government, is used "to determine whether that person is or has been involved in the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism."

But they obviously had zero suspicion that David was associated with a terrorist organization or involved in any terrorist plot. Instead, they spent their time interrogating him about the NSA reporting which Laura Poitras, the Guardian and I are doing, as well the content of the electronic products he was carrying. They completely abused their own terrorism law for reasons having nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism: a potent reminder of how often governments lie when they claim that they need powers to stop "the terrorists", and how dangerous it is to vest unchecked power with political officials in its name.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/18/david-miranda-detained-uk-nsa

So here the reader is given the information that Mr. Miranda, husband (family member), spent time with Ms. Poitras, colleague of Mr. Greenwald, who has been cooperating on the Snowden NSA story. From this information in the article, it would be clear to any reader with reasonably decent reading skills that the reason Mr. Miranda was detained was because (A) He is Glenn Greenwald's husband, and (B) He was visiting Glenn Greenwald's journalist partner who was/is cooperating on the Snowden/NSA story. The cops detained Mr. Miranda because of his association with Glenn as family member, and his association with Ms. Poitras as Glenn's journalist colleague.

Mr. Miranda was not detained for being a terrorist, suspicion of terrorism, or breaking any law.

I'm sure the poor man was terrified and traumatized by the entire process.

Glenn's intended communication here is clear: He is illustrating clear, deliberate abuse of an innocent person, a family member, by authorities deliberately breaking the law, in order to serve alternative purposes not described under said law.

There is no deception or attempted deception here, except by many of the same posters who believe that authorities should be able to do anything they damn well please whenever they please, and who spend a great deal of time here trying to deceive others, apparently somehow for the benefit of the MILC ~ the Military Industrial Legislative Complex.

[snooper2]

64. He is starting to believe his own tripe

[Whisp]

79. Hmm, another possible name for GG's book: Hype n' Tripe. n/t

[woo me with science]

67. Oh, look. Another propaganda thread.

Sorry. 2 + 2 is still 4.

[ConservativeDemocrat]

86. By "propaganda" you mean "Facts I cannot refute"

"...but are devastating to my preferred narrative."

You also forgot to add a bunch of ROFL icons. Those are a favorite when the hard anti-Democratic left doesn't have any actual counterargument to facts presented.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[Scurrilous]

69. K & R

[markpkessinger]

80. So, are the classified documents Miranda is alleged to have been carrying . . .

. . . the property of the British government?

[Tarheel_Dem]

82. K&R

[Cha]

84. I saw the posts Yesterday that said they..

would wait to see more information because they didn't trust greenwald. Once again greenwald's hype doesn't match the facts.

"This is obviously a rather profound escalation of their attacks on the news-gathering process and journalism. It's bad enough to prosecute and imprison sources. It's worse still to imprison journalists who report the truth. But to start detaining the family members and loved ones of journalists is simply despotic. Even the Mafia had ethical rules against targeting the family members of people they felt threatened by. But the UK puppets and their owners in the US national security state obviously are unconstrained by even those minimal scruples."

I want to know why gg doesn't have any "ethical rules"?

"..Using him for their own means"? Ya think!

"The thing we have been most concerned about is that the people who have influence over Ed will try to use him for their own means," Mattie Fein, the wife and spokeswoman of Lon Snowden's attorney, told WSJ. "These guys have their own agenda here and we aren't so sure that it has Ed's best interest in mind."

She is referring to Guardian journalist Glenn Greenwald and Wikileaks founder Julian Assange.[div]
http://www.sfgate.com/technology/businessinsider/article/Edward-Snowden-s-Father-Doesn-t-Trust-His-Son-s-4736926.php

Freaking "Mafia"? really glenn? "Rand Paul for president"? really assshat? Not to be trusted? Ya think!

[GeorgeGist]

87. Welcome to the club ...

Charlie Savage punked you.