KUCINICH: Abolish The NSA And Give Snowden A Parade

[kpete]

Rep. Dennis Kucinich: Abolish The NSA And Give Snowden A Parade
from the taking-a-stand dept

There was a showing of the new documentary, Terms and Conditions May Apply late last week in Washington DC, and Rep. Dennis Kucinich stopped by and made some very pointed remarks while discussing the NSA's surveillance activities. The (well-timed) documentary, of course, looks at how companies and the government use and abuse everyone's digital data. Kucinich's remarks are well worth listening to, as he suggests that Congress should abolish the NSA, while also saying that Ed Snowden deserves a ticker-tape parade.

#at=59


The key quotes come in response to the film's director, Cullen Hoback, asking what would it take for Congress to hold James Clapper accountable for lying to Congress:

Well, you know it's illegal to lie to Congress, but everyone lies to Congress. As soon as they raise their right hand, watch out! Clapper should be held responsible, but he won't be, because that's the condition we're in right now. In a just world, Snowden, we'd be having ticker tape parades for him. But that's not what's going to happen.

.................We have the CIA, the FBI, a dozen other intelligence infrastructures. Frankly -- and I'm saying this with a lifetime's experience in government here
They've destroyed the idea of privacy. We need some kind of symbolic and profound approach here, that says, 'look, you've violated something that's very dear to the American people -- you don't get to do that.' We talk about the death penalty for individuals, which I oppose, but I think there needs to be for government agencies that so broadly betray the public interest, there needs to be a measure of responsibility. And if they go beyond the pale, which the NSA has, they just ought to be abolished. We don't need the spying.

more:
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130819/01445524226/rep-dennis-kucinich-abolish-nsa-give-snowden-parade.shtml


flame away, but the man is right about this:
-- it's time to punch the NSA's ticket here. They've ruined the brand.
mho, kpete

[Pretzel_Warrior]

1. Hooray, Kucinich! You got your name in the headlines! Or at least the midlines.

Not sure Techdirt is exactly up there with The Gray Lady.

[JDPriestly]

63. Empty accusations without substance.

A post reflects what is in the author's brain. Enough said.

[99Forever]

126. I'll believe Dennis Kucinich over Barack Obama, every time.

He has integrity, honesty, and is a Democrat.

[cyclezealot]

131. O&amabots.

[tomp]

138. "pretzel logic" more like it.

can you say judith miller. only a fool would trust the gray lady. "only a fool would say that" if the gray lady isn't covering it it can't be newsworthy.

two steely dan references in one post, pretty good.

[Octafish]

150. LOL. ''The Gray Lady'' helped lie America into war on Iraq.

Even without that I'd side with Dennis Kucinich, any day.

[NorthCarolina]

152. Here's another thread waiting for your comments

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023493504

[geek tragedy]

2. Fox News Democrat Dennis Kucinich. nt

[cui bono]

8. Haven't got anything of substance to add?

You do know who Kucinich is, don't you? And his record of fighting for the people?

[geek tragedy]

11. Kucinich is an unaccomplished twerp who collaborated with Kasich and the Ohio

GOP on their redistricting plan, and played footsie with Muommar Gaddhafi and Bashir al Assad.

He's on Fox News to (1) say bad things about current Democrats and (2) act like the crazy tool he is to discredit Democrats in general.

Abolishing the NSA is about as mature a response as insisting the government would never lie to us.

[Progressive dog]

27. ^^K&R^^nt

[former9thward]

34. You should have added Hitler and Stalin in your post.

Just to give it more credibility.

[geek tragedy]

37. Which part do you claim is factually false?

List of accomplishments:

none

Collaborating with Gaddhafi:

http://m.theatlanticwire.com/global/2011/08/report-suggests-kucinich-worked-qaddafi-regime-block-libyan-intervention/41953/

http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/2011/08/31/qaddafi-files-kucinich-wanted-dirt-on-rebels/

Canoodling with Assad:

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2011/06/dennis-kucinich-syria-problem

Kucinich has a history of this type of behavior. In May, he defended the Syrian regime's crackdown on "Arab Spring" revolutionaries to the Cleveland Plain Dealer, explaining that although there were "serious concerns" about the conduct of Syrian forces, "We also know the Syrian police were fired upon and that many police were murdered." (State-run media in Syria have repeatedly reported the mass murder of police officers, but the country's restrictions on independent media make those stories difficult to verify.) "I would imagine that when things finally settle down that President Assad will move in a direction of democratic reforms," he added.

[former9thward]

54. If your mission is to slander people the internet is an easy tool.

You pick out bits and pieces without any context. It can be done with anyone.

Here is President Obama meeting with Gaddhafi: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/moammar-gaddafi-president-obama-and-the-2012-election/2011/10/20/gIQAIqJL0L_blog.html

Kerry before he was Secretary of State met with Assad five times from 2009-2011. Even though the State Department opposed it Pelosi met with Assad. "We came in friendship, hope, and determined that the road to Damascus is a road to peace," Pelosi told reporters after her talks with Assad. "

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-04-04-pelosi-syria_N.htm

Are you going to put the by her statements? I didn't think so.

[geek tragedy]

57. Assad wasn't engaged in wholesale slaughter at that point.

Nevertheless, it looks in hindsight that Bush's criticisms of Pelosi's trip were somewhat warranted. Especially with Pelosi acting as an envoy from Israel, as if that's her fucking job.

[former9thward]

80. I think DK was genuinely interested in peace.

I don't think his actions were some sort of PR stunt. Was everything he did in that respect correct? Probably not. Every administration since the end of WW II has failed in their missions to find lasting peace in the Middle East. I don't blame others for trying different ways.

[geek tragedy]

82. Well, that's the problem with fools who have good intentions.

They're the most easily played.

[JDPriestly]

75. Actually, Bush opened our relationship with Ghaddafi.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2011/03/06/can-buy-me-love.html

Many of our politicians can make honest mistakes.

Most of our politicians make dishonest mistakes. They simply allow themselves to be purchased.

Kucinich may sometimes have ideas that I don't agree with, but he is an honest man and has proved that over and over beginning with his days in Cleveland.

[tblue]

107. Oh snap! Hey, I think I figured out what's going on.

People who attach themselves unconditionally to individual politicians (and writers, etc.) assume everyone else does too. They believe either you swallow someone whole or you swallow someone else whole. There is no gray area. They cannot conceive of anyone not being 100% in lockstep on every issue with people they agree with on something. To disagree with the object of one's affection (publicly anyway) means severing all ties. To agree with another person on one issue is to 100% support that individual and everything they have ever said or done or thought.

That's why some people can't understand anything we say. It's why they view everything as a criticism of Obama. They don't understand that some of us don't glom onto a pol and never is heard a discouraging word. That's why they call people like Dennis Kucinich names because he met with some bad guy. Dennis probably has done things I don't agree with—I really don't study his every move. But I don't worship the man; I just agree with him on this issue and some others.

Make sense? There are probably 10 examples on the Greatest Threads page right now.

[former9thward]

108. +100

[silvershadow]

128. You just described the entirety of the DU experience. Could be any one, any thing, any time. nt

[JDPriestly]

67. Kucinich lost his seat thanks to Kasich's redistricting. I doubt that the plan was what

Kucinich wanted.

Do you have a link on Kucinich collaborating with Kasich on the redistricting.

The present NSA should be abolished. The president should form something new to replace it.

[geek tragedy]

71. "Kucinich lobbies for GOP's redistricting plan"

http://www.wkyc.com/news/article/213347/3/Kucinich-lobbies-for-GOPs-redistricting-plan-

Fuck him.

[cyclezealot]

132. Putting Toledo into the same district with Western Cleveland

is screwing over Cleveland. Stretching from Toledo to Parma. Kaptur to this day has not set up an office in the Cleveland area. Western Cleveland is without representation . You think Kaptur care all that much about Cleveland when her base is in Ohio.
Either plan in the Goober dominated Legislature would have screwed over Democrats in the state delegation. Whether it be the Kasich plan or any other, the result would have been the same. But, under the plan Kucinich favored, the Cleveland area would have had two congress members..
Get a brain.

[Capn Sunshine]

95. Yeah, because nothing ensures the continuity of Intel like shutting down an entire agency

and starting with a new one. Thank goodness DUers have no influence over anything larger than crazytown on the net.

[JDPriestly]

101. What would you suggest doing?

[cyclezealot]

133. He likely means severely restricting

private contractors such as Booz Allen. Darn good idea. Get it back under control of the government and put that agency on a leash. God, only knows after what Dick Cheney did to the CIA apparatus it does more damage than good as to understanding the nature of the World.

[Enthusiast]

139. Plus one!

Carlyle Group Booze Allen should be severely restricted. Private contractors should never be in control of our private information. This seems fundamental to me.

[eridani]

102. Some "cooperation," given that redistricting cost him his seat

A small sliver of his old district was connected to Marcy Kaptur's Toledo district via a strand of Lake Erie beach that is under water at high tide. I'll bet he was just thrilled with that.

[geek tragedy]

109. He's the one who spend his donors' money on robocalls supporting the GOP plan.

Have to ask him why he thought that was fair to the people who donated money to him.

[pocoloco]

129. The tragedy is that you left out "Hero"

[busterbrown]

134. Guy will do anything for a dime..

Now he’s the nut case liberal on Fox.. Next he’ll be on Dancing with the Stars...

[sabrina 1]

46. I saw President Obama on Fox News, talking to Bill O'Reilly. I've seen Hillary's campaign manager

on Fox many, many times.

We have DUers here who are on Fox.

Actually I've seen many, many Democrats on Fox.

What is your point?

Kucinich is one of the most Progressive Democrats who has been right on most of the issues over the past decade.

I hope he runs for the Senate. He certainly is far more trustworthy than many of the current members of Congress. Very consistent on the issues that matter to Democrats.

[geek tragedy]

59. Kucinich cashes a paycheck from the media wing of the Republican party nt

[MADem]

62. Ha--great minds, look downthread, exact same time stamp! nt

[MADem]

60. And did President Obama take a paycheck from those assclowns?

Please. What's YOUR point? That Dennis isn't a complete toady who will toss his "principles" out the window to work for one of the most despicable agencies in American public life?

He'd rather jettison his principles than actually have to do any WORK--that's the truth. He's all talk, and no walk--that's what he's always been.

He never worked with his own delegation, which is why he had no friends when his district disappeared. No help from the PACS, no Ted Kennedys or Nancy Pelosis getting out there to stump for him. Instead, it was "Don't let the door hit ya, ya selfish turd."

Dennis is all about Dennis--always has been. A major bullshitter. Silver tongued do-nothing, a lot like Anthony Weiner. Puts on a great show, but words mean nothing when deeds don't follow. He couldn't get elected dogcatcher, never mind senator. He's a has-been.

[geek tragedy]

65. Amazing how Kucinich wasn't willing to taint his purity when it meant

getting stuff done in Congress, but once the gravy train whistle started blowing, he became all bipartisany.

[MADem]

84. Exactly--he had a reputation as one of the LAZIEST, most uncooperative legislators in the

Democratic delegation. Caucus leaders wouldn't assign him or his staff anything critical, because he wouldn't show up for meetings and he wouldn't complete his assignments.

Uncooperative, bellicose asshole. Funny how the Senate caucus will chip in from their PACS to support Third Partier Bernie Sanders, but no one over on the House side wanted to give old Denny the time of day when he lost his district. He couldn't even get a staff job because he doesn't have a reputation as a worker. Even disgraced hypocritical former Congressman Ed Schrock (R) was able to find a job on the Hill after his public scandal, because he rarely missed a vote and actually WORKED while he was in office.

Kucinich is a jerk, a total phony.

[geek tragedy]

86. Just like Anthony Weiner and John Edwards were DU darlings.

A very good chunk of this site is willing to embrace anyone who tells them what they want to hear, uncritically so.

[MADem]

113. Peas in a pod--silver tongued devils. All talk--such beautiful, compelling, raise-the-roof

firebrand oratory--and absolutely ZERO walk.

As my old daddy used to say, "If bullshit were electricity, they'd be powerhouses!"

[busterbrown]

136. Listen... Working for Ruppert fucking Murdoch and Roger Ailles is nothing more than high treason!

In my opinion.... They are a corporation which revolves around promoting pain and suffering..

[busterbrown]

135. Every politician has an angle.....T.V. time is imperative!!

[LittleBlue]

53. I hope you've never worked for a Republican in your life

I do, and it sucks.

[geek tragedy]

64. It's not that his boss is a Republican, the entire damn company is a wing

of the Republican party.

It's like getting a paycheck from Reince Priebus.

[LittleBlue]

77. He's not actually advocating conservative policies, is he?

He's on Fox to advocate his own viewpoint.

I take a paycheck from a man who has Bill O'Reilly books on full display in his office, fully in the knowledge that I help him make money that he sends to the RNC and probably anti-abortion/pro-gun organizations. My wife would be really pissed if I told her that there was no more money for her tuition because I couldn't take a paycheck from a hardened right-winger.

It doesn't work that way in the real world.

[geek tragedy]

79. Why do you think Fox pays him? nt

[LittleBlue]

81. To get viewership higher?

He probably winds up a lot of righties. It's standard practice to have a shock jock type to ramp up ratings.

[geek tragedy]

83. Do you think they would put him on the air if it meant advancing

progressive causes?

[LittleBlue]

87. I think they know he won't sway opinion one way or another

It doesn't seem likely that someone like him will sway popular opinion, as he is highly polarizing and isn't very eloquent or photogenic. He's probably there strictly for ratings.

[geek tragedy]

90. I think you just summarized why they want him on there as the

face of American liberalism.

[LittleBlue]

92. Right. But anyone who watches Fox News

by now knows it's a conservative channel. Everyone knows his views as he spent 15 years in congress, and he has been a talking head guest more times than I can count. It's not like neutrals are tuning in to watch Hannity, and it's not like they don't know Dennis Kucinich already, so I fail to see how much damage he could do to any political alignment.

[geek tragedy]

93. He's not there for the immediate viewers, he's there for clips and quotes

that can be distributed later.

Usually, along the lines of "see what those wacky, dope-addled hippies want to do" or "even Obama's fellow socialists think he's gone too far this time."

[LittleBlue]

94. He did the same when he was in congress

Talking to reporters and being invited as a guest on to political talkshows.

His views are out there one way or another.

Really, you're grasping at straws. This argument isn't persuasive at all.

[geek tragedy]

106. no, what's unpersuasive is that anyone whose employer is Roger Ailes lacks

complicity with the rightwing propaganda effort.

[MADem]

115. Back in the day when I had dealings with the Japanese Navy,

I used to attend these parties with them. Formal affairs, that would go on forever. A shitload of drinking--more than I liked to do, really, but I got good at pacing myself.

At every party, there was always a junior officer who would get impossibly drunk and puke on his shoes, or in a planter, or pull down his pants, or do something horrifically inappropriate and memorable, so that people in attendance would talk about it for days.

One of my counterparts told me, to my great surprise, that this was the junior officer's job--if he made a spectacle of himself, no one would notice if the captains or admirals got a little stupid or sloppy; and the overall dignity of the proceedings for the "important folk" would remain intact.

I get the sense that Dennis is the "junior officer" in the Faux News wardroom....puke on your shoes, Dennis, and collect your paycheck!

[Jack Rabbit]

100. If what Kucinich said in that video is representative of FoxNews today . . .

. . . then it's a very different and much better place than it was yesterday.

One more thing, Mr. Tragedy, I am 5'3" tall. I resent your characterization of Mr. Kucinish, who is just as tall as I, as an "unaccomplished twerp." If you believe the former congressman to be unaccomplished, you may refer to as an unaccomplished former congressman. There is no reason I should feel the slap you intended for him.

[geek tragedy]

105. apologies for the insensitivity in using the term 'twerp'

I associate it with insignificance, not even conscious that it began with a connotation regarding physical size.

[Jack Rabbit]

112. Your apology is accepted

I am a forgiving sort. After all, Jesus preached forgiveness, and he was also 5'3", as befits one is God made man.

[G_j]

3. like clockwork

the snarckers, they are..

[Capt. Obvious]

4. I got my Bingo Card out

UFO is the free square.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

5. Yep. Shut it down and give the world's thanks to Snowden.

[zappaman]

6. And people wonder why he's not taken seriously?

?zz=1

[HardTimes99]

12. He was dead right about Iraq when all the establishment Dems (Daschle, Gebhardt,

Kerry, Hillary Clinton, et. al.) were dead (read: genocidally) wrong.

He's not taken seriously because America is listening to its genocidal side and has been since at least 1981 when Reagan took office. I hope America stops listening soon, but I'm not holding my breath.

[whatchamacallit]

48. That's something you share with DK. n/t

[zappaman]

96. Dennis, me and you!

We're like

[sibelian]

119. PLONK.

[AppetiteForApathy]

7. Someone should tell Denny that none of the files contain info on UFOs.

Or... do they?

[Capt. Obvious]

10. BINGO!

[LondonReign2]

73. That can't have been bingo, that was the free square!

[RC]

9. Barely 15 minutes old and already the usual suspects are ignoring the message and bashing

the messenger.

There are most definitely a few people around here that agree with the NSA hoovering. How Democratic is that?

[geek tragedy]

13. You know, it's possible to want to fix the overreach/lack of oversight in the NSA

without going off the deep end and pretending we don't need to spy on anyone anywhere on the planet.

I'm sure al Qaeda would love it if Kucinich got his way.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

14. His Department of Peace would be razed by the enemy in mere hours

it is ludicrous to pretend we do not need defensive measures against really really bad folks.

[Scuba]

110. Which bad folks? Which agency is protecting us from them?

Which agencies are making it worse?

[RC]

18. Actually we do not need to spy on everyone else all around the world.

And al Quaeta is our doings against the Russians in Afghanistan.

Why do so many people think we need enemies to function as a country? Most other countries don't.

[geek tragedy]

21. Yes or no: do we need to spy on Al Qaeda or the groups that describe themselves as Al Qaeda? nt

For example: do we need to spy on Ayman al Zawahiri?

[RC]

23. If we want to keep up doing the war on terror, then yes.

How else are we to know what and when to stir thing up over there?

[geek tragedy]

24. If it were up to you, would you continue to spy on Ayman al Zawahiri and his associates--yes or no?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

45. If you believe the al Qaeda propaganda you've been fed, then it might seem reasonable

Otherwise, not so much. If the government wants to look at various extremist organizations, there are ways to do that without spying on all Americans. In fact, floating the line that all Americans must be spied on in order to find "al Qaeda" is a very new thing. Maybe we didn't use to have such a gullible populace, not sure.

[geek tragedy]

55. I think it's more than reasonable to spy on Ayman al Zawahiri.

I also don't think it's been close to proven that the government is spying on all Americans. But my definition of spying revolves around intent and targeting.

[MyNameGoesHere]

44. Actually al Qaeda loves how it owns amurka now

Jump little fraidy cats, 'How high? answer the fraidy cats."

Amukans are so weak and predictable.

[geek tragedy]

69. Lazy, knee-jerk anti-Americanism is extremely unpersuasive, nt

[MyNameGoesHere]

88. Anti-amurkanism, not Anti-Americanism.

But al Qaeda's wet dream could not know the difference.

[geek tragedy]

89. sorry, you're speaking in code and I don't have time

to whip out the old enigma machine.

[MyNameGoesHere]

91. I know you dont have time, that's why it happened. eom

[MADem]

68. Oh, stop making sense! How dare you behave like the adult in the room!

Making mature, valid points like that....can't have that, now, can we?

[Pretzel_Warrior]

17. disagreeing with a ticker tape parade for Snowdedn != agreeing with NSA hoovering

just to be clear.

The things Kucinich was right on: 1)choice of wife, 2)voting no on Iraq

Things Kucinich was wrong on:

[RC]

22. I have been around here for so long, I remember when Kucinich was a good guy that we needed more of.

My, how times have changed.
But that still does not excuse blowing off the information in the OP and attacking the messenger.

[geek tragedy]

25. Here's a list of Kucinich's accomplishments in Congress:

[RC]

33. Not DLC enough for you, huh?

[geek tragedy]

35. So, you think caring about accomplishments is a DLC-type value?

That explains the atttraction to Kucinich.

[RC]

42. No, not caring. He accomplished much more than that.

It is you that is down playing his years in Congress. He was nowhere near as bad as you seem to think.

[SunSeeker]

66. What did Dennis accomplish? nt

[geek tragedy]

78. Okay, list his accomplishments nt

[Mnemosyne]

43. The change has been stunning, hasn't it? Still not sure this is DU anymore. nt

[Maedhros]

85. The pro-surveillance-state folks have got into their heads

that Opposing NSA Surveillance = Trashing Obama For Shallow Political Reasons.

They are being good partisan loyalists, and are attacking the people who are Trashing Obama. Yes, it's misguided and counterproductive to progressive attempts to move the country forward, but there you have it.

[Enthusiast]

140. It was as predictable as the sunrise. nt

[tridim]

15. That's a shame. It's never good to join a bandwagon as it's driving over a cliff, DK.

[Egnever]

16. And that's why Dennis is no longer in congress.

[99th_Monkey]

32. "Redistricting" i.e. gerrymandering <-- the reason Kucinich is not in Congress

they disappeared his very solid district into thin air .. poof. .. out from under him.

[geek tragedy]

36. He supported the Republican redistricting plan that set up his race vs Kaptur. nt

[99th_Monkey]

40. That wasn't one of Kucinich's smartest moves, was it?

Hindsight is always 20/20.

However, it WAS the REPUBLICANS who DREW UP the new districts, Dennis just
weirdly decided to support the plan, to his own detriment re reelection.

[geek tragedy]

52. That wasn't a tough call to make.

reminds me of "bad idea jeans"

[zappaman]

114. YES!

http://www.hulu.com/watch/10310

[SunSeeker]

61. And to the detriment of Dems for at least a decade.

What an insane move that was by Dennis. He should have been screaming bloody murder and threatening to sue over the redistricting.

[JI7]

74. i never knew he actually supported the redistricting

[geek tragedy]

76. "Kucinich lobbies for GOP's redistricting plan"

http://www.wkyc.com/news/article/213347/3/Kucinich-lobbies-for-GOPs-redistricting-plan-

Kucinich's campaign has made automated calls to voters asking them to press state lawmakers to back the GOP plan. Republicans are reviewing the plan with a goal of avoiding a Democratic-led ballot challenge.

According to The Plain Dealer, Kucinich's campaign has placed robo-calls targeting lawmakers including Democrats Nickie Antonio of Lakewood and Mike Foley of Cleveland. The two who opposed the GOP plan say they also got personal calls from Kucinich.

[MrMickeysMom]

56. I can take you comment two ways...

Either positively on behalf of the few IN congress who are not corrupt, or negatively, which I take is what you mean.

You don't know much about the oath you take in any level of government, based on your comment. You are, therefore misinformed.

[snappyturtle]

19. How the tides have turned against a Democratic leader.

What shallow rhetoric this has attracted. Kucinich is only expressing
his pov. BUT, since he uttered the idea of a ticker tape parade for
Snowden and the demise of the NSA, he's to be hung out to dry.

These remarks sound remarkably fashioned from the freerepublic.
How dreadful.

[karynnj]

29. The tides were never behind him - how many states gave him more than 5% of the vote? nt

[snappyturtle]

41. Well he wasn't treated the way he is here today! nt

[snappyturtle]

72. You know I was thinking more about what you said and

I guess because I always liked Kucinich in the House, I looked again
at his record. He was after all mayor of Cleveland and ran 6 successful
campaigns for representative from Ohio. He also sought impeachment
of bush and cheney! He fought to bring back the fairness doctrine. He
did lots of good acts.....doesn't deserve the belittling here today. imho

[Enthusiast]

141. I'm with you....nt

[Duval]

149. I am with you, too, snappyturtle n/t

[tblue]

111. Agree, snappy turtle. Hard to wrap my brain around it.

I think people really must not understand what dire straits we are in. How can anyone believe we have leaders who are on the right track? That the system just needs a few tweaks, and a good election result will make all the really bad stuff right, so shut up and be thankful we are in such good hands? They must have a special optimism and/or faith, based on what I have no idea. I think that would be my question: Based on what?

[WillyT]

26. K & R !!!

[PowerToThePeople]

28. Kucinich, the only Democratic candidate in the 2008 election to have voted against the Iraq war.

[liberal_at_heart]

70. now that's a legacy.

[NealK]

97. At least he doesn't have blood on his hands.

[liberal_at_heart]

98. I agree. It's a good legacy.

[99th_Monkey]

30. "DC is just one big Punch & Judy Show" <-- my favorite Kucinich quote. ~nt

[Progressive dog]

31. Give Snowden a parade before the trial,

I assume that's what the latest Faux News celebrity means.

[struggle4progress]

38. I doubt the US will abolish its main signal-intelligence agency

Any issues, that need to be addressed, should be addressed in a more intelligent way than Kucinich suggests

[another_liberal]

39. I agree completely!

Congressman Kucinich is correct, Snowden is an American Hero. We would be a better country were there many more like him (which applies to both Kucinich and Snowden).

[kentuck]

47. It's easy to distinguish the real Democrats from the make-believe.

In my opinion.

[liberal_at_heart]

49. I love Kucinich. I hope he runs for President again. I would have the courage to vote for him this

time.

[Coyotl]

121. We need candidates in the primaries who will frame the debate where the People want it.

[Blue_Tires]

50. Yea on the former and Nay on the latter...

[MADem]

51. Says Fauxsnooze panderer Dennis. Dennis ruined his OWN brand when he took a paycheck from those

mendacious fuckers.

And he expects to be taken seriously? That's some strong kool aid he handed out over the years....

[JDPriestly]

58. K&R. Well said.

[ZombieHorde]

103. I love DK. I wish we had many more like him in Washington. nt

[bigwillq]

104. K and R (nt)

[raouldukelives]

116. K&R nt

[burnodo]

117. Kucinch should have no credibility here..

On December 11, 2006 in a speech delivered at Cleveland City Hall, Kucinich announced he would seek the nomination of the Democratic Party for President in 2008. His platform[73] for 2008 included:

Creating a single-payer not-for-profit system of universal health care that provides full coverage for all Americans by passage of the United States National Health Care Act.
The immediate, phased withdrawal of all U.S. forces from Iraq; replacing them with an international security force.
Guaranteed quality education for all; including free pre-kindergarten and college for all who want it.
Immediate withdrawal from the World Trade Organization (WTO) and North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA).
Immediate repeal of the USA PATRIOT Act.
Fostering a world of international cooperation.
Abolishing the death penalty.
Environmental renewal and clean energy.
Creating a moratorium on Genetically Modified Organism (GMO).
Implementation of H.R. 676, which integrates traditional medicine with complementary and alternative medicine (CAM).
Ban offshore drilling.
Halt all Biochemical Aerial Spraying of Pesticides and other toxins.
Preventing the privatization of social security.
Providing full social security benefits at age 65.
Creating a cabinet-level "Department of Peace"
Ratifying the ABM Treaty and the Kyoto Protocol.
Introducing reforms to bring about instant-runoff voting.
Protecting a woman's "right to choose" while decreasing the number of abortions performed in the U.S.
Lowering the voting age to 16
Ending the War on Drugs.
Legalizing same-sex marriage.
Strongly promoting workers' rights.
Ending the H-1B and L-1 visa Programs
Restoring rural communities and family farms.
Strengthening gun control.
Legalizing medicinal marijuana and decriminalizing non-medical possession.

Damned right-winger!

[Union Scribe]

122. Well I see why some don't like him.

Those positions scare the hell out of the conservadems.

[Enthusiast]

142. PLUS ONE! nt

[flvegan]

118. Lockstep merchants swarm!

Say bad things about this man! I always get a chuckle from the "FOXnews Dennis?" folks who fucking forget time and again who bought and paid for their war apologist.

Maybe listen to the guy on FOX. Oh no, not you, you purist. LOL.

4 MORE YEARS! 4 MORE YEARS!

[Coyotl]

120. To the extent there is ANY misdirection of resources and mis-prioritizing of limited resources

one word covers it very well, "change" Mr. Obama and Congress, we want change.

[cantbeserious]

123. Kick And Recommend

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[Fire Walk With Me]

124. Love me some Dennis. Where the fuck are the other "democrats" against the NSA? n/t

[bhikkhu]

125. Easy to say if you're not in a position of responsibility

...as the NSA does some legitimate work. If the US turns out the lights, so to speak, on intelligence gathering outside of our country, who thinks the Chinese or Russians wouldn't take advantage? Not to advocate fear, but its just irresponsible to end intelligence programs. The party that does so owns the problems that might come after.

On the other hand, Kucinich isn't really advocating ending spying programs, he's calling for the symbolic abolishing of the NSA, and the farming out of its activities to the FBI and the CIA. A rose by any other name, of course, but it would be a pretty hollow symbol. We could just drop the hyperbole and regulate it competently, as it should be.

[tabasco]

147. Kucinich specializes in grandstanding and platitudes

rather than actual work to get things done in the real world.

[blkmusclmachine]

127. .

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[Vashta Nerada]

130. I've always liked and supported Kucinich.

And I still do.

K and R.

[AzDar]

137. Dennis!

[Enthusiast]

143. Kicked and Recommended!

We need more of Dennis!

[Fuddnik]

144. Dennis is just as crazy as that other moonbat.

John F. Kennedy, who said that the CIA should be scattered in the wind.

I'll take Kucinich over ANY person in Congress.

[Fuddnik]

145. Kick and Rec!

[840high]

146. One of the few honest men.

[questionseverything]

148. plus one

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[felix_numinous]

151. Dennis Kucinich my man

a true underdog who emerges, with bus tread marks all over him, to speak for us!

I think tread marks should be the on the flag of the left, as a mark of honor for a liberal