Question... when does a war on terror ever end?

[1awake]

I can think of 10,000 ways it could keep continuing, but I can't think of a single way it could ever end. Will there be a day where the US gov can say... yup... no more terrorists. It's really a mind fuck because anyone from any party for any reason can show evidence that something bad is still happening here or somewhere else.

Is the war on terror not a war at all but a way to drastically alter how things are done and how people perceive what reasonable is? Will I be sitting with my grand kids many years from now talking about what happened that day with the war on terror?

[quinnox]

1. As long as the powers that be say it is on, it won't ever end

There are several advantages to having a war on terror for certain industries and the fear in the populace also can be useful for the powers that be. I'm not sure it will be called off any time soon.

[hrmjustin]

2. Not anytime soon. There will always be terrorists but the government will milk it as much

as they can.

[uponit7771]

3. When the left votes for another Republican president cause the one they have isn't perfect enough?

[1awake]

5. It's been 12 years with both Republican and Democrats in charge.. doesn't seem to matter. N/t

[uponit7771]

8. Come on, this is histrionic

[cpwm17]

60. No, it's reality

This whole war on terror crap is a complete scam, and right now President Obama is the head scammer.

[Pholus]

11. Are you saying to replace the Republican we just got?

When it comes to dragnet surveillance of the US population, there apparently IS no difference between the parties.

[uponit7771]

15. ^^^See^^^^

[Pholus]

21. Hey, since you guys are tilting so far right I'm supporting you here.

The choice these days seems to be Republican or John Bircher.

So in that case, we get well....not good but just not a total disasterm instead of perfect.

By the way, your hair seems to be smoldering.

[uponit7771]

24. I'm not a purist, that doesn't mean I'm a winger either

[Hydra]

26. Check which group you're defending

I think Cheney's in there. I think you're in total purist country- the red kind.

[uponit7771]

27. You mean the group of people who can inhale and exhale?! Just because Cheney does that to (maybe)

...doesn't mean I'm defending what he stands for.

Come on, that line is... out of line

[Hydra]

29. This perpetual war of terror and surveiliance are Cheney's baby

You've been happily defending the NSA doing his work, so why be coy about it? Say it loud, say it proud! The Red way is the best way.

[MNBrewer]

47. What is a "purist"?

[Pholus]

58. Anyone who has values that must simply be choked down....

so that we win an "election" for the next person who doesn't share the same values anyway.

Apparently.

[Egalitarian Thug]

14. Now the professional black helicopter tabloid purist tools of the right leftists are

actually voting for republicans?

Not that you will until it's far too late, but you guys really should take a step back and just look at the ideas you're advocating, as well as the people and the evil you're defending.

[uponit7771]

20. come again? tia

[quinnox]

16. so no comment about what the OP is about?

Maybe you are a fan of the "war on terror"?.

[uponit7771]

19. Point being if we don't support a congress and a president who don't want to have

... war on terror then we can continue to expect it.

Obama needs a congress that will make him or allow him to change this policy.

BUT

It's easier to sit on a message board and make Obama \ Bush comparisons to some

[Rex]

4. When does the War on Drugs end?

NEVER! They are huge money making machines for the controlling elite. So...NEVER.

[lebkuchen]

36. But, but..."War on Drugs"..."War on Terror"...

who could be against that??

[Rex]

37. True...only the Evil Doers are involved!

I should be flogged for having such thoughts.

[HooptieWagon]

6. Never.

It keeps the fear-mongering alive, which directs billions of dollars to private contractors. Additionally, it hides the surveillence being done on ordinary citizens.

[1awake]

57. agreed

which directs billions of dollars to private contractors

[warrprayer]

7. "War on Terror"

is actually psyops against Americans

[sabrina 1]

9. As soon as the money is cut off. So long as they can keep the money flowing, the ONLY

reason why there is a WOT, it will not end.

[JEB]

35. That is exactly what I was thinking.

Big money in this for private contractors. Much easier than actually building something.

[Pholus]

12. It's version 2.0 of the war on drugs...

One that has the same abuses but none of the public face.

[olddots]

13. NEVER horror movies are big box office

people seek thrills ,kicks , suspense , danger and stereotyping the unknown. Logic has taken a back seat to "gaming "

[liberal_at_heart]

17. never. There's too much money to be made off of it.

[npk]

23. War on Terror = big business - So Never

Too much money to be made by big businesses here in America. Can't see the people in charge ever giving up that "honey pot."

[Junkdrawer]

25. When the nation it's sucking the life out of collapses...

Soon.

[polly7]

34. Small correction ...

when the nations profiting off of it collapse. The nations with their lives sucked out have already paid.

[Hydra]

28. I had a bit of a revelation this morning about this

If Putin calls someone a terrorist, we laugh. When our people call someone a terrorist, some people are all serious about it.

"Terrorism" in essence is anything the leaders of a country don't approve of. If they work for us, they're "Freedom Fighters." If they work for people we don't like, they're "terrorists."

It's all an opinion. We're being asked to fight a war of opinion. As long as that opinion needs propping up, people will be killed for it.

[valerief]

30. When rich people don't want to have all the money. So never. nt

[dreamnightwind]

31. Dunno, but keep asking this until it ends

Great question, it should be repeated at every opportunity.

Obviously the people in charge have no plans for it to ever end. For many of them, their jobs depend on it.

What's the end-game? You could say that this IS the end-game. You could also say that it is a tool for repealing our civil liberties and bringing greater control over the masses to the powers that be. Either of those seems correct to me.

A better question is how can we stop this madness?

It might be possible to elect a POTUS who does everything in his/her power to stop it. Debatable what the results of that would be, but it would be great if we could get someone to try. They'll need all the help they can get from congress and from the public.

The current administration is obviously not interested in doing so, it's part of the problem rather part of the solution. Same with Biden and Hillary. It was difficult to know this from the campaign rhetoric, so we'll have to more carefully vet our candidates in the 2016 primary.

Our country has lost the respect most of the world had for it due to the global war on terror, and that's karma that will come down on our heads eventually, either through war-on-terror-inspired terrorism (blowback) or global structural changes that lead away from U.S. economic and military power. Either way the citizens of the U.S. will pay an enormous price. It has to be stopped.

[Mr.Bill]

33. Terrorism isn't an enemy, it is a tactic.

A war on terror makes as much sense as a war on ambush.

[eShirl]

38. "... until morale improves." n/t

[Bernardo de La Paz]

39. The NeoCons proudly christened it "The Long War". They and the MIC/IC hope it never ends.

MIC = Military Industrial Complex

IC = Insecurity Complex, which is the permanent state the Right Wing Authoritarians would love to put us all into: terrorized by the fear of terror.

[KamaAina]

40. When terror's bloody corpse is dragged through the streets

which will be on the twelfth.

Of never.

[Half-Century Man]

41. First I have to ask, because I can't remember one tiny point.

War can only be declared by an act of congress. Did we openly declare war, on who, legally the has to be an adversary. Who was declared by congress, an enemy so heinous the only recourse is death of them or us?
If, this war is being waged on the authority of the President alone. Why hasn't congress undone it? If we have had 40 attempts to undo the ACA, Why haven't there been 400 attempts do undo the conflict? I hear an awful lot of anti-war talk from members of congress. I call bullshit.
Fucking do something.
After 10 years of combat, would it be to much to ask congress to ask what/who we are fighting today? To define or demand a definition of exactly a terrorist is. And not a definition to fit the current situation, but the president setting, legal, end all definition of what who the United States of America considers a agent of terror.
And when we remove or subdue that adversary, we help rebuild what we broke, pack up and come home.

[Rebellious Republican]

42. K&R

[Cryptoad]

43. When War Ends nt

[Initech]

44. As long as the profiteers can continue making billions off it, it will never go away.

[tom_kelly]

45. Cheney said it will last for decades, at least.

I don't have the clip but he said it on a sunday show.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

46. Considering what the "War on Terror" has cost us......we lost.

[Cerridwen]

48. When it is no longer profitable.

At which time we move to "holy war;" or a war against "war crimes," after a sufficient amount of time and our government's own war crimes have faded into the dust-bin of history; which judging by some DU posters is about 4 hours.

[Douglas Carpenter]

49. when not one single human being anywhere on earth ever again feels even for single second the

slightest tinge of fear

[Spitfire of ATJ]

50. The color codes were the biggest fraud....

Why would you LOWER them to tell everyone your guard is down?

[CincyDem]

51. Never: Beacuse war has a bimodal outcome

Someone wins and someone loses. And so it will go on until one side can clearly claim victory in such a way that the other side is clearly willing to accept defeat. Those are circles with no intersection from either side.

I fear that even the youngest among us will not live to see this WOT "end". Bushco's multigenerational contribution to the world - an ideological war with no goals, no definition of success, and no clearly definable enemies.

[Phlem]

52. whenever the *noun* gives up.

the *noun* gives up.



So long ago I eluded to this over and over again and got crickets.



-p

[WillyT]

53. Never... Too Much Money... Too Many Boners...

Always a bad mix.



& Rec !!!

[liberal N proud]

54. It is designed to never end!

[1awake]

59. That is what scares me the most. n/t

[Fire Walk With Me]

55. When there are no more taxpayer dollars to pocket. n/t

[frylock]

56. when there's no profit motive

[PowerToThePeople]

61. For all of us? WOT will end when we cease to exist here. n/t