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longship

(40,416 posts)
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 08:12 PM Aug 2013

France 24 covers Chelsea Manning Trans issue beautifully.

Not sure if they stream -- I see it on my local PBS which broadcasts MHz Worldview 24/7 on a sub-channel. I think the Web site is www.france24.com.

Here's what they said (a synopsis from my aged memory):

The focus was on the coverage of Manning's desire to be addressed as Chelsea and using female pronouns. The anchor interviewed some guy, I suspect a media expert of sorts.

It ended up being an exposé of news media sites apparently not honoring Manning's request and whether that breached journalistic rules. Apparent both interviewer and interviewee both agreed that the measure on this issue was Manning's request.

Then, the interviewee said something that put it all into perspective. He basically posed the following question (paraphrase):

Would it be journalistically correct to continue to call Muhammed Ali as Cassius Clay?


Hopefully this puts the journalist's obligation into perspective.

Wish I had had a pad of paper and a pen handy when the story hit. It was framed beautifully.

BTW, they specifically cited The Guardian as honoring Chelsea Manning's request.

And apparently France 24 as well.

Good for them.
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France 24 covers Chelsea Manning Trans issue beautifully. (Original Post) longship Aug 2013 OP
I watch France 24 also Curmudgeoness Aug 2013 #1
They basically nailed the issue. longship Aug 2013 #2
It may be overload on the Manning issue. Curmudgeoness Aug 2013 #4
I'll post what France 24 said here, then. longship Aug 2013 #7
Is there a way to watch online? Neoma Aug 2013 #3
I only have an iPhone. longship Aug 2013 #8
I have never tried watching online. Curmudgeoness Aug 2013 #9
Here's a kick for your thread - the Muhammed Ali analogy is perfect! (nt) scarletwoman Aug 2013 #5
That's basically all we ohheckyeah Aug 2013 #6

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
1. I watch France 24 also
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 08:32 PM
Aug 2013

and I am amazed at the things we do not hear about on MSM news here. I am not surprised that they were much more dignified about Chelsea Manning.

longship

(40,416 posts)
2. They basically nailed the issue.
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 08:41 PM
Aug 2013

It's not up to the journalist to decide whether Manning is male or female. That's Manning's decision. (I dare not use the word "choice" here because I don't think it was a choice for her.)

The Muhammed Ali argument was beautifully done.

Shameless, self-kick. I cannot believe, with all the threads on Chelsea vs. Bradley the past day, that there's been only one response to this thread. DU is what DU is. Alas!

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
4. It may be overload on the Manning issue.
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 08:57 PM
Aug 2013

I know that I am close to ignoring all Manning threads myself. And of course, you didn't stir up any shit.

longship

(40,416 posts)
7. I'll post what France 24 said here, then.
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 09:04 PM
Aug 2013

Their argument was, what is the journalist's obligation with regards to Manning's gender?

They framed it beautifully. Like this (as close as I can come):
Would it be appropriate to call Muhammed Ali as "Cassius Clay"?

No journalist would do that. There are no more excuses after that example.

longship

(40,416 posts)
8. I only have an iPhone.
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 09:13 PM
Aug 2013

I looked on their site for video, but the only link about Manning is text, and doesn't bring up the journalism issue. (However, I notice that they adhered to it judiciously -- in this case eschewing gendered pronouns altogether.) I have no idea if the article was written before the interview was filmed. I suspect future stories on Manning on France 24 will either use she and Chelsea or will avoid making a commitment. I hope it's the former.

Their position in the coverage was very strong in favor of Chelsea, which is why I posted this thread.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
9. I have never tried watching online.
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 09:14 PM
Aug 2013

I get it on the TV ever since I dropped cable and went to over-the-air stations. This is on nightly on one of the PBS sub-channels.

But here is the website:

http://www.france24.com/en/

I clicked on "watch France 24" and yowwie is that a big picture!

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
6. That's basically all we
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 09:03 PM
Aug 2013

need to know - Chelsea Manning asked to be referred to as Chelsea. I don't understand what the problem is for some people.

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