the debate is not in mannings pants

[SwampG8r]

its in the ever expanding spy state and how to saddle break that bronco
which ever side of the pronoun issue you fall into stop being diverted from the issue
if the debate is diverted then everything manning has and will go through is for nothing
that is called winning at the NSA
thank you for your time

[silvershadow]

1. I noticed how DU suddenly turned into a gender "debate", if you will, and the surviellance state was

pushed right off the front page...I started to post about it earlier. Kick.

[liberal_at_heart]

2. both issues are important.

[silvershadow]

3. Indeed they are. I just don't want to lose sight of the surveillance issue, however important the

gender issue is (that's all I meant by my post).

[napoleon_in_rags]

4. Its really good to look at the big picture here

Manning's rights, and why they were taken. I believe he is entitled to the treatment if he really wants it, even if its paid for by himself/family. But let's not forget that if he is denied this, its part of a much bigger picture.