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Catherina

(35,568 posts)
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 01:12 PM Aug 2013

Congress, Public Waking Up To Trans-Pacific Partnership Threat

Congress, Public Waking Up To Trans-Pacific Partnership Threat

Members of Congress are starting to pay attention to the upcoming, secretly negotiated Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) “trade” agreement that isn’t really about trade. And the public is also becoming aware that this runaway job-loss express train is coming straight at us.

Not Really A “Trade” Treaty

The TPP agreement is being negotiated — in secret, even from Congress — between representatives of governments and giant, multinational corporations. (Government negotiators are not prevented from seeking lucrative corporate jobs if negotiations are completed in favor of the those corporations.) Groups representing the interests of labor, environmental, consumer, human rights or other stakeholders in democracy are not at the negotiating table. And, not surprisingly, it appears that the agreement will promote the interests of giant, multinational corporations over the interests of labor, environmental, consumer, human rights or other stakeholders in democracy.

Negotiated in secret, what we know about the treaty comes from leaks. Only a few of the “chapters” of the agreement are actually about “trade” at all. The rest are about the “rights” of corporations and investors. Negotiated just as the worldwide democracy uprising threatens to reign in corporate interests, the agreement will limit governments’ ability to write banking regulations, energy policy, food safety standards and even government purchasing decisions. It will allow corporations and investors to sue governments for lost profits if the governments try to make and enforce environmental, labor and other laws.

Congress Waking Up

The corporations are asking Congress to pass “Fast Track” Trade Promotion Authority. This would mean Congress yields its authority and duties under the Constitution, and just has a rushed up-or-down vote on whatever is presented to them. So this will be about which legislators the giant corporations own, and which they do not. (Of course this vote will occur during a major corporate-funded PR campaign that will rival the propaganda “run-up” to the Iraq war vote.)

Some members of Congress are circulating letters opposing “Fast Track” Trade Promotion Authority and are getting plenty of signatures from the “left” and the “right.”



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http://www.nationofchange.org/congress-public-waking-trans-pacific-partnership-threat-1377322701

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Congress, Public Waking Up To Trans-Pacific Partnership Threat (Original Post) Catherina Aug 2013 OP
God bless 'em, every one. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #1
Recommended. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #2
K&R (nm) Elwood P Dowd Aug 2013 #3
DURec for wider exposure. bvar22 Aug 2013 #4
K&R! Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #5
Big K&R! Segami Aug 2013 #6
Kick! Is there a video on this? tblue Aug 2013 #7
I hope this one works, it's from Democracy Now Catherina Aug 2013 #23
See posts 13 and 25 too n/t Catherina Aug 2013 #27
To hell with TPP! another_liberal Aug 2013 #8
K&R n/t OhioChick Aug 2013 #9
k&r. I think it'll really heat up this fall cali Aug 2013 #10
With your help! Tom Hartmann: "From a post by Cali over at Democratic Underground" Catherina Aug 2013 #25
Excellent, good for Cali! And DU! sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #34
K&R G_j Aug 2013 #11
and who played a leading part in drafting the TPP? Hillary Clinton. antigop Aug 2013 #12
Bill Clinton says he now regrets NAFTA Ocelot Aug 2013 #15
I would like to have leaders who don't have to 'admit to being wrong' AFTER it's too late. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #35
She changed her tune on it. joshcryer Aug 2013 #52
Her role in this is playing a LARGE role in my opposition to her being President. LARGE. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2013 #26
well, some of us aren't surprised...those of us on DU who have posted about her support for antigop Aug 2013 #29
She lost my votes when I found out about her being on the Board of Directors of Wal-Mart. Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Aug 2013 #30
This and more summer-hazz Aug 2013 #54
That and more..plus KoKo Aug 2013 #61
yeah, it looks like she won't get my vote fascisthunter Aug 2013 #36
Well, that answers the "holding my nose" question for me. n/t winter is coming Aug 2013 #42
great video featuring Lori Wallach antigop Aug 2013 #13
Corporations have no national loyalty SHRED Aug 2013 #14
k&r nt steve2470 Aug 2013 #16
K&R caseymoz Aug 2013 #17
Front Page Material mick063 Aug 2013 #18
K & R AzDar Aug 2013 #19
du rec. xchrom Aug 2013 #20
I hope a stake is driven through the heart of TPP. City Lights Aug 2013 #21
K&R! Phlem Aug 2013 #22
Are they waking up in time? LWolf Aug 2013 #24
Evidently team Obama wants fast-tracking of the secret Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement, avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #28
Contact your Congress-Critters. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #31
Did anybody here submit comments for any of the multiple Federal Register struggle4progress Aug 2013 #32
A working man is the stakeholder mick063 Aug 2013 #39
Your rhetoric is no substitute for actually paying attention, making an effort struggle4progress Aug 2013 #45
First rule of effective communication mick063 Aug 2013 #46
Is there a way to stop this? dreamnightwind Aug 2013 #33
There is no way of stopping it fascisthunter Aug 2013 #38
Catherina, thank you for being you. fascisthunter Aug 2013 #37
Good. Maybe just maybe this is not an inevitability. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #40
Thanks for posting this. K&R n/t xocet Aug 2013 #41
I wish Rachel Maddow or Chris Hayes would do a story about this. n/t winter is coming Aug 2013 #43
So do I, but I'm betting their corporate masters at MSNBC are not allowing it. n/t whathehell Aug 2013 #63
kick nt antigop Aug 2013 #44
Thank you, Catherina. K&R nt Mnemosyne Aug 2013 #47
Thank you. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #48
Who would promote such a deal? Enthusiast Aug 2013 #49
Oh thank goodness people are paying attention to this. limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #50
TPP may actually fianlly be an issue that brings the country together emsimon33 Aug 2013 #51
We need to pay attention summer-hazz Aug 2013 #53
About fucking time! blackspade Aug 2013 #55
US Congress "waking up"? blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #56
Thanks Catherina - we all need to fight this. K&R nt TBF Aug 2013 #57
This is despicable. K&R myrna minx Aug 2013 #58
k&r Starry Messenger Aug 2013 #59
I don't hold out any hope about this. You can't vote Goldman Sachs out of office. L0oniX Aug 2013 #60
I think we need to do two things: snappyturtle Aug 2013 #62

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
1. God bless 'em, every one.
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 01:24 PM
Aug 2013

TPP is more worrisome than any single outrage such as Keystone XL, simply because it is essentially a permit to commit outrages.

"Some members of Congress are circulating letters opposing “Fast Track” Trade Promotion Authority and are getting plenty of signatures from the “left” and the “right.” "

tblue

(16,350 posts)
7. Kick! Is there a video on this?
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 02:25 PM
Aug 2013

Just asking because if I send an article to my friends and family they may not read much of it, but if I send a video, they'll probably watch it if it's not too long.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
23. I hope this one works, it's from Democracy Now
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 04:00 PM
Aug 2013

Published on Jun 6, 2013

http://www.democracynow.org - The Obama administration is facing increasing scrutiny for the extreme secrecy surrounding negotiations around a sweeping new trade deal that could rewrite the nation's laws on everything from healthcare and internet freedom, to food safety and the financial markets. The latest negotiations over the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) were recently held behind closed doors in Lima, Peru, but the Obama administration has rejected calls to release the current text. Even members of Congress have complained about being shut out of the negotiation process. Last year, a leaked chapter from the draft agreement outlined how the TPP would allow foreign corporations operating in the United States to appeal key regulations to an international tribunal. The body would have the power to override U.S. law and issue penalties for failure to comply with its rulings. We discuss the TPP with two guests: Celeste Drake, a trade policy specialist with the AFL-CIO; and Jim Shultz, executive director of the Democracy Center, which has just released a new report on how corporations use trade rules to seize resources and undermine democracy. "What is the biggest threat to the ability of corporations to go into a country and suck out the natural resources without any regard for the environment or labor standards? The threat is democracy," Shultz says. "The threat is that citizens will be annoying and get in the way and demand that their governments take action. So what corporations need is to become more powerful than sovereign states. And the way they become more powerful is by tangling sovereign states in a web of these trade agreements."

Here's the link to the video on Democracy Now + transcript: http://www.democracynow.org/2013/6/6/obama_backed_trans_pacific_partnership_expands

And here's Chomsky talking about it. The Chomsky video is much shorter, about 5 minutes.



I hope this helps. If it doesn't, let me know and I'll look for something else. I'll keep an eye out for you.
 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
8. To hell with TPP!
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 02:26 PM
Aug 2013

It is designed to help only the already filthy rich. It will hasten the destruction of our planet, and erode our peoples' freedoms.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
25. With your help! Tom Hartmann: "From a post by Cali over at Democratic Underground"
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 04:02 PM
Aug 2013

Here's Thom Hartmann mentioning your thread "Secret TPP Deal Would Void Democracy"! It's at minute 1:00 Great job!

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
35. I would like to have leaders who don't have to 'admit to being wrong' AFTER it's too late.
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 07:16 PM
Aug 2013

Those who have such bad judgement as to, eg, vote for the Invasion of Iraq when ordinary people knew they were lying, at a cost in lives and money that is incalculable do not deserve another chance imo. It's way too risky to 'trust' such people with the lives of Americans. If you screw up on something like Welfare Reform, NAFTA, War, maybe you just return to private life and leave these important decisions to those who get it right the first time.

antigop

(12,778 posts)
29. well, some of us aren't surprised...those of us on DU who have posted about her support for
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 04:12 PM
Aug 2013

h-1b visa increases and her touting of the "advantages" of outsourcing.

We are not surprised... AT ALL.

eta: Hillary threw us under the bus a long time ago.

30. She lost my votes when I found out about her being on the Board of Directors of Wal-Mart.
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 04:23 PM
Aug 2013

Hillary Clinton was on the Board of Directors of Wal-Mart for 6 years. Wal-Mart paid her $18,000 each year she was on the board and $1,500 for every meeting she attended. She accumulated at least $100,000 in Wal-Mart stock. This might be the reason she refuses to release her tax records even though Barack Obama has done so. Maybe it's time we demand that she give back this blood money? Moreover, when Hillary Clinton was with the Rose Law firm in Little Rock she defended Wal-Mart against workers who tried to organize unions making the firm, in the words of labor leader Jonathan Tasini, "one of the most active anti-union law firms in the country."

Clinton's shameless posturing about the Michigan and Florida Democratic delegations is just more of the same from this Wal-Mart-loving corporate shill. She pretends to be standing for "democratic" principles while she attempts a legal trick to strip the nomination from Obama..... -more-

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joseph-a-palermo/hillary-clinton-and-walma_b_93638.html

summer-hazz

(112 posts)
54. This and more
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 01:55 AM
Aug 2013

are the reasons she does not need to be the candidate for the left,
she is to far the the right for me..



We are loosing our party...

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
14. Corporations have no national loyalty
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 03:07 PM
Aug 2013



They go to where they can exploit the most...country patriotism be damned.
 

mick063

(2,424 posts)
18. Front Page Material
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 03:50 PM
Aug 2013

Secrecy is destroying faith in government.

Transparency is a myth.


Folks that complain about conspiracy theory just don't get it. The environment is ripe for conspiracy theory. Secrecy in government is the incubator. Secrecy is the problem. Not conspiracy theory.

 

avaistheone1

(14,626 posts)
28. Evidently team Obama wants fast-tracking of the secret Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement,
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 04:11 PM
Aug 2013

by allowing “Obama to sign the agreement prior to congressional approval.

Who thinks this Congress won’t agree?

struggle4progress

(118,282 posts)
32. Did anybody here submit comments for any of the multiple Federal Register
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 05:23 PM
Aug 2013

requests for comment on TPP in the last four years? Did anybody here sign up as a stakeholder for any of the events?

Direct Stakeholder Engagement
http://www.ustr.gov/trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements/trans-pacific-partnership/direct-stakholder-engagement

 

mick063

(2,424 posts)
39. A working man is the stakeholder
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 08:38 PM
Aug 2013

Taxed with the task of raising a family and paying the bills.

He typically no longer pays for a team of attorneys to claim a stake for his livelihood. That went away with the deliberate political effort to neutralize collective bargaining. He depends on his elected representatives to look out for his best interest now that the voice of labor has been castrated. The elected representatives instead chose to fill campaign coffers from those that would destroy organized labor.

The system no longer works for the working man.

Let him fill with rage. I will help. I will not do it by scolding him for not participating in an obscure process not intended for him in the first place. Indeed, the details were not intended for Congress to look at either.

struggle4progress

(118,282 posts)
45. Your rhetoric is no substitute for actually paying attention, making an effort
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 08:55 PM
Aug 2013

to get the facts right, and then attempting to work out an analysis

 

mick063

(2,424 posts)
46. First rule of effective communication
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 09:06 PM
Aug 2013

Know your intended audience.

There is a reason our system of government is based upon choosing legislators. Referendums would have proven to be cumbersome in the "horse and buggy" days. Perhaps technology has reached a point where elected representatives are obsolete. Especially when they are not truly representative. Indeed, the type of participation you propose would work well with referendum based legislation.

Leaders should be chosen to not only lead, but to make decisions that benefit citizens as a whole, not for an exclusive, privileged minority.



When people get pissed enough, they will most certainly participate.

I will help.

It will not necessarily be the avenue you suggest.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
33. Is there a way to stop this?
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 07:08 PM
Aug 2013

Seems like we have no plan, as usual.

I'd guess that stopping the effort to fast-track it would be the first step. That means convincing our congress-critters that our votes depend more on the policies they support than on the corporate-funded ad buys they can pay for by supporting the TPP.

Seems like we need to get organized and coordinate an effort to persuade members of Congress. I've pretty much given up on the administration listening to us when it goes against the wishes of monied interests. But the administration is not the only game in town. Congress still has to get re-elected, at least there's that hanging over their heads.

 

fascisthunter

(29,381 posts)
38. There is no way of stopping it
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 08:00 PM
Aug 2013

these things are planned afr in advance. Corproations plan for the future, and so does our government who works solely for them.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
49. Who would promote such a deal?
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 11:30 PM
Aug 2013


"Groups representing the interests of labor, environmental, consumer, human rights or other stakeholders in democracy are not at the negotiating table."

Wake the fuck up, people!

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
50. Oh thank goodness people are paying attention to this.
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 12:18 AM
Aug 2013

With the NSA leaks and everything we've been so busy. This needs attention too.

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
51. TPP may actually fianlly be an issue that brings the country together
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 12:57 AM
Aug 2013

How Obama can be a party to this and call himself a Democrat is beyond me.

summer-hazz

(112 posts)
53. We need to pay attention
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 01:26 AM
Aug 2013

to this big secret, TTP... Why is it a secret?

I didn't trust this arrangement from the first time

I heard about it...

Voters need to stand up!!!
Call them out on this....

Lets save America together, it will destroy jobs, jobs, jobs!!!



WAKE UP!!!!

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
60. I don't hold out any hope about this. You can't vote Goldman Sachs out of office.
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 10:56 AM
Aug 2013

This government and corporations are becoming more and more of an enemy of the people and it looks like nothing can stop it now. The train has left the building ...on much more than this.

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
62. I think we need to do two things:
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 01:07 PM
Aug 2013

1) Fight it! Put pressure on Congress and the White House....repeatedly.
Not one email or snail mail letter but many from each of us.

2) Plan ahead. Even those currently with jobs need to figure out something
a skill, craft, service something that society needs....to sell or barter with.
I am not a conspiracy theorist....I just don't like the direction of the
TPP agreement and all too aware that tptb usually get what they want.

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