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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFBI's claim that it dismantled Anonymous met with a massive data leak
The FBI has its collective foot in its mouth right about now.
On Wednesday, Austin P. Berglas, assistant special agent in charge of the FBIs cyber division, gave an interview in which he boasted that the 2012 arrests of LulzSec members had "destroyed" the leadership of Anonymous, rendering it effectively neutralized.
He told the Huffington Post, "The movement is still there, and they're still yacking on Twitter and posting things, but you don't hear about these guys coming forward with those large breaches. It's just not happening, and that's because of the dismantlement of the largest players."
You can guess what happened next.
http://www.dailydot.com/news/fbi-anonymous-huffington-post-leak-federal-grill/
I remember back when Blizzard was releasing Diablo II... They made the claim that the game was 'un-hackable' and I just shook my head and thought... 'Well, that is about the dumbest thing they could have said, it is just issuing a challenge'.
As long as there is a route to the data... There is a route to the data.
MADem
(135,425 posts)their guys....I mean, this doesn't seem like an "end of the world/sky is falling" data breach:
Nonetheless, they do seem to have accessed FBI servers with recent data from the Regional Forensics Computer Laboratory (RFCL), and to have posted it as hidden PDF files and pages on the hacked site. The most recent data is from January of this year, although much is from last year. When asked on Twitter why that site, OpLastResort said there could be no better place to grill the Feds than the (apparently long-closed) Federal Grill. Because they are uploaded as PDFs rather than Web pages, they must be downloaded to be viewed, and one might hesitate before downloading hacked FBI files from Anonymous hosted on hacked websites.
If one were more cautious than a reporter, that is.
The documents include, for example, slides from a presentation in Orange County that includes the numbers of cases handled in the lab, the referring law enforcement agencies, resolutions, etc.
If there's a route TO the data, there's a route FROM it, too--particularly if you're on alert and looking for one.
I hate to use Porgie's "Smoke 'em outta their holes" line, but that's what it smells like to me....
Just sayin'.....
hlthe2b
(102,379 posts)It is a very machismo-driven agency.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I don't think they're above the whole "stoops to conquer" vibe.
Leopolds Ghost
(12,875 posts)LulzSec "Leader" Sabu Informed on Anonymous | Sophos
"Everything Incriminating Has Been Burned" | Ars Technica
I think you may be onto something...
MADem
(135,425 posts)I have no inside knowledge--I just know that sometimes, when I get an odd feeling, it turns out that I'm right. Not all the time of course--but this whole construct seems a bit off to me!
Sometimes the moles aren't always followers; sometimes, they're leaders.
Leopolds Ghost
(12,875 posts)Which seem to know a hell of a lot about what Anons are up to. Forbes, Ars Technica, etc. etc.
MADem
(135,425 posts)To quote Led Zeppelin!
Leopolds Ghost
(12,875 posts)Ohio Joe
(21,761 posts)The way they are stocking up data, that be what they want anyway... Who the hell knows anymore.
MADem
(135,425 posts)are so thrilled about are productions of the Feds.
Leopolds Ghost
(12,875 posts)I mean, essentially the first Occupy-style video was a production of the US government, according to DU.
Anyone can post as "Anonymous", the question is if they are advocating for something that other people support.
If not then they are representing no one but themselves. If it is a good idea then who cares where it came from, I guess the thinking goes?
Consider the mainstream civil disobedience activist groups which have turned out to be thoroughly infiltrated by the FBI.
It seems that, if you're not considered a threat, it means you're an ineffectual activist. (like me.)
After all, they don't have to monitor the Democratic Party any more, do they?
MADem
(135,425 posts)portray yourself as one of the biggest, baddest hackers in town! Find something that is embarrassing, but doesn't really matter, and toss it out there like it's something you went and stole....then boast about tweaking the nose of the "PTB" and next thing ya know, you've gathered a tribe of people who have done similar stuff, but who are perhaps less creative or successful.
Years ago, there were a number of activists (Weathermen, SDS, Black Panthers, SLA, etc) that liked to engage in some pretty substantial criminal behavior that sometimes descended into violence. The feds thought the best way to limit that was to infiltrate when they could, but they weren't too good at it--just too dorky, most of the time. Nowadays, though, it's easier to appear "cool" from behind a keyboard...
hlthe2b
(102,379 posts)a good idea--or even rational?
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)Supersedeas
(20,630 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)HardTimes99
(2,049 posts)law enforcement officials.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)Shortly after an FBI representative said Anonymous was doing nothing more than yack on Twitter, the hackers leaked some data allegedly obtained from FBI servers.
On Friday, they published a file which they claim contains the full details of every single employee of the US Federal Reserve Bank.
Initially, the file containing the personal information was removed, but the hacktivists uploaded it to another server, presumably located in Zimbabwe, so that US authorities will not be able to take it down.
The central banking and finance system has systematically defrauded the planet and bears responsibility for unfathomable death and misery. When the vast majority of the world population hangs below the the poverty line, massive profits for a few insiders are beyond criminal, Anonymous hackers stated after leaking the data.
Let there be no equivocation: Anonymous will never stop fighting and punishing the excesses of vampire capitalist exploitation and avarice. The good earth is bountiful and we produce more than enough for universal dignity in living standards and opportunity for betterment, they added.
As the FBI and DOJ have proved themselves incapable or unwilling to prosecute the institutional kleptocrats, we will step up to the plate. We dispense with the monopoly on violence arrogated by the state & employ instead asymmetrical economic and political warfare, the hackers said .
The final result of which will be the creation of conditions whereby it is simply not profitable to exploit the poor & vulnerable of earth.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Anonymous-Leak-Details-of-All-US-Federal-Reserve-Bank-Employees-377920.shtml
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)there are so many computer clever people in our world. Nothing any Gov wants to be secure should be online ever. Then they STILL,have the thousands of 'contractors & employees' who steal and sell secrets to deal with.
I remember a game developer years ago, who said about hackers and developing games.
" If you make it, they will come"
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)catch the stupid ones.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)that crime doesn't pay just helps to cut down on the competition. Crime pays very well and gets better and better the further up the chain you go.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Ohio Joe
(21,761 posts)So we have that going for us
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Leopolds Ghost
(12,875 posts)I refuse to believe in the existence of some kind of "underground hacker movement."
To paraphrase Woody Allen in Antz: " ... If only it were that easy."