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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSyria isn't about money or corporations or the MIC.
It's pure, naked, unvarnished American Presidential Dick-Swinging. Reagan did it, Clinton did it, both Bushes did it. It is bipartisan.
Obama said where his red line was, he thinks they crossed it, and he will look like a wuss if he doesn't crack skulls. Period. Paragraph.
Everyone else is just along for the ride. If he attacks, he will literally be doing Al Qaeda a favor. But that doesn't matter, since dick-swinging is the rationale for any attack.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)Harmony Blue
(3,978 posts)I think the MIC has been pushing for this outcome for a while.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)Be specific.
Tell me how this mythical "MIC" pulls Obama's strings? He's not running for reelection.
I am so fucking sick of bullshit excuses like "TPTB," the "MIC," or the "PNAC" being used to obscure the fact that
the President is the one who makes the goddamn fucking decision to attack.
The POTUS. President Barack Hussein Obama. Not some bullshit construct like the "MIC."
Harmony Blue
(3,978 posts)but he is heavily influenced by the MIC. I honestly don't think Obama makes that red line comment if he wasn't pressured by the MIC lobbyists.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)The "MIC" is a horseshit construct used when someone doesn't have the balls to put blame where it belongs. He ran on ending the wars and got elected, and he doesn't have a reelection ahead of him, so tell me how this "man of principle" can be swayed?
Dash87
(3,220 posts)influences both parties, which in turn influence the President. Obama can't go it alone and needs the support of his constituents. These constituents are defense industry lobbying targets.
That's why they were ecstatic when Cheney was VP from 2000 - 2008. They had one of their own in office, and even worse GWB was a malleable dumbass.
There's a huge contingent that actively lobbies to make conditions more favorable for defense contracts. It's in their interest to be at war. Iraq and Afghanistan were very profitable, and Syria could be too. It's a totally new market they want to open up, with American blood as an investment.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)He should now give the Nobel back, at a minimum.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Unfucking real.
You guys need new writers.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Ah....
War is Peace!
Freedom is Slavery!
Ignorance is Strength!
God, this neocon, oops...neolib....shit gets old.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Oh, that's priceless.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)admitting you were wrong, careless in your postings, and in general will try to think things through more clearly?
Whisp
(24,096 posts)and let's not forget Hoss Cartwright, the guy who tattled on cyber intervention on Iran's nukes.
Obama has a lot to contend with with the people in the shadows.
Let's also not forget Hillary is supposedly slotted for one of those very nice paying speeches at the Carlyle Group. Let's not kid ourselves, these little speechie things are Bribes.
One of these things is not like all the others - and that is President Obama. He is trying to do what is best, with what he has - I am convinced of that. The forces against him are pretty strong tho, that is why I am not going to shit all over him, because he is the best chance we have ever had to make some wrongs right.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)The Magistrate
(95,258 posts)The situation illustrates the main problem with making public threats --- you have to follow through if called.
Arctic Dave
(13,812 posts)bobduca
(1,763 posts)that much vaunted substance that spurs presidents into useless actions because RED LINES!
How will future presidents lie us into war if not to save our CREDIBILITY
If he doesn't attack that ineluctable CREDIBILITY will be somehow immeasurably reduced and we will all be poorer for it.
or something equally bullshitty.
cali
(114,904 posts)and he's got this big honking dick (U.S. military) to swing
tridim
(45,358 posts)Nice capitalization on "Dick" BTW. So sneaky, and so pathetically Neo-DU.
Fantastic job DT! You must be so proud.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)Yeah...we who don't support any sort of attack just can't see the "nuance" that makes Obama and Biden's previous
rants about constitutionality inapplicable.
Here's how fucking complex Syria is: It's OK If You're A Democrat.
You live in that world. I won't.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)The other side doesn't have chemical weapons nor the rockets that were used to deploy them.
Boy, it's going to take quite an investigation to figure out who used chemical weapons!
tridim
(45,358 posts)leftstreet
(36,117 posts)I agree with you, by the way
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Not to mention countless dead all over the world when we decided to "help" them.
Initech
(100,108 posts)*cue South Park style rabbling*
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Nooooo, it has nothing to do with money or the MIC.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)And I thought being high was a good thing? Guess not.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)The Third Way loves to talk to liberals like that, don't they? You are really going to the bank today.
(I thought I would use a metaphor you might appreciate. Get it? "Bank"?)
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)DevonRex
(22,541 posts)without it.
Believe it or not, the world is much more complicated than what's in people's pants.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Why can't you accept other people's incredibly stupid opinions!?
DevonRex
(22,541 posts)How can I watch Chuck Todd on MSNBC now????
Rex
(65,616 posts)Good thing I am out of soda...otherwise it would be all over the monitor!
All I could do was stare at the floor after I looked up and there he was on TV holding his microphone.
MineralMan
(146,338 posts)and oil is about money and corporations.
Bake
(21,977 posts)if the other party crosses that line.
Obama boxed himself in.
Bake