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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo a huge mil contractor (Carlyle Group) provides the NSA data that proves we should bomb Syria?
They own Booz Allen, who selects and employs the NSA's sys admins as contractors. What could possibly go wrong?
Rex
(65,616 posts)Defense contractors LOVE war!
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)I never asked anyone to do so but I feel this is crucial information.
I did not know they owned Booz Allen Hamilton! The PNAC crowd looks like they are going to get what they want the most - WAR.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)Sarkozys, etc.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I mean, how can I take an agency seriously when they obviously do not have any hiring discipline? Hard to trust them when they go right back to 'business as usual'.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)We're pwned, as they used to say
WillyT
(72,631 posts)spanone
(135,921 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)leftstreet
(36,118 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)One wonders if a certain Mr. Edward Snowden has any knowledge about this, especially given his present residence in Syria's chief ally.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)after hearing of the chemical weapon attacks and was demanding answers from a subordinate.
No "proof" of anything.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Thanks for noting that. It could be easily overlooked in the rush to accept this crap as "definite proof."
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)The US PR Department really sucks if that's the best they can come up with.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)Israeli intelligence 'intercepted Syrian regime talk about chemical attack'
Information passed to US by Israeli Defence Forces' 8200 unit, former official tells magazine
Harriet Sherwood in Jerusalem and agencies
theguardian.com, Wednesday 28 August 2013 04.25 EDT
A team of United Nations inspectors have resumed their second day of investigations at the site of an alleged chemical weapons attack outside Damascus, as western leaders moved towards military action in response to the Syrian regime's reported use of chemical weapons against civilians.
The UN team left their Damascus hotel early on Wednesday after the operation was suspended on Tuesday following a sniper attack on its convoy on Monday.
The bulk of evidence proving the Assad regime's deployment of chemical weapons which would provide legal grounds essential to justify any western military action has been provided by Israeli military intelligence, the German magazine Focus has reported.
The 8200 unit of the Israeli Defence Forces, which specialises in electronic surveillance, intercepted a conversation between Syrian officials regarding the use of chemical weapons, an unnamed former Mossad official told Focus. The content of the conversation was relayed to the US, the ex-official said.
The 8200 unit collects and analyses electronic data, including wiretapped telephone calls and emails. It is the largest unit in the IDF.
Israel has invested in intelligence assets in Syria for decades, according to a senior government official. "We have an historic intelligence effort in the field, for obvious reasons," he said.
Israel and the US had a "close and co-operative relationship in the intelligence field", he added, but declined to comment specifically on the Focus report.
Senior Israeli security officials arrived in Washington on Monday to share the latest results of intelligence-gathering, and to review the Syrian crisis with national security adviser Susan Rice.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)Thats' like the Hatfields narcing out the McCoys
leveymg
(36,418 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Ye of little faith...we must. Always trust the government implicitly. for those that will need it
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)Booz Allen and Carlyle Group are concerned about profits. Bombs away!!!
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)Oh balls that was the last $$$$$$$$$$$$ deadly clusterfuck......Assad is gassing his own people. Check. I need to keep the DailyHorseShitPropagandaMemosStraight!
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)Prepare thee self for war.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Very similar the lastest trumped up clusterfuck of "Intelligence leaks from Israeli intel shows that Assad's people really truly did Sarin attack."
jeff47
(26,549 posts)I don't see a conspiracy with this.
go west young man
(4,856 posts)They are doing it in broad daylight! The last time was such a success that they don't even feel the need to hide anymore.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)But we will disagree on this.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)Kissinger was a hoot. He tried to steal David Petraeus' escort.
JI7
(89,283 posts)elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)IllumiWTF?
Out.
TBF
(32,118 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)TBF
(32,118 posts)But your enthusiasm for war is noted.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)This claim is Booz is controlling the NSA. That would be a risk if Booz was the only, or one of a few contractors.
The NSA has lots of contractors, just like the DoD has lots of contractors.
TBF
(32,118 posts)Consistently high on the list - most recently #16 with contracts in excess of $3B/year. B=Billion.
That's a lot of dough.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_100_Contractors_of_the_U.S._federal_government
jeff47
(26,549 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)malaise
(269,257 posts)Sickening indeed
MelungeonWoman
(502 posts)medeak
(8,101 posts)links or such? Thanks
markpkessinger
(8,409 posts). . . Folks will have to forgive me if I don't want to see one more American man or woman die because some shareholder of the Carlyle Group has a hard-on for war.
blm
(113,131 posts)Bush/Carlyle
City Lights
(25,171 posts)Whisp
(24,096 posts)Hillary Clinton to speak to Carlyle Group investors
Hillary Clinton is set to be the featured attraction at the private equity firm The Carlyle Groups investor conference next month the latest in a string of paid speeches the former secretary of state is making in the window she has to decide on a 2016 campaign.
Two sources familiar with the event confirmed Clintons attendance at the Sept. 9 event in Washington.
Civilization2
(649 posts)These are the evil banksters we are looking for.
Why would Hillary be speaking to them? How very odd..,
War is a racket.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)I don't believe Bill is really worth all that money for his wise words either. I mean, what a sweet easy and still legal way to get kick back for big and little favours.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)delrem
(9,688 posts)she can expect big money for her campaign. A twofer.
Bill's speaking tours are incredibly revealing (and lucrative!) as well.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)CrispyQ
(36,552 posts)hedda_foil
(16,376 posts)From Whisp's Politico link above:
Clinton recently spoke at a conference for the private equity firm KKR, with co-founder Henry Kravis, a longtime Republican donor, acting as the moderator.
In such settings, Clinton has conducted question-and-answer sessions, as opposed to giving a canned address.
Clintons speaking fee is roughly $200,000, according to multiple reports.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/hillary-clinton-speech-carlyle-group-95763.html#ixzz2dN7Vvbpt
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)She is selling out so early. I hope everyone is paying attention.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)both?
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)9:15 and 2:45 and 25 minutes tlll five!
benld74
(9,911 posts)elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)Read their own public info.
Boom.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)Civilization2
(649 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)"So a huge mil contractor (Carlyle Group) provides the NSA data that proves we should bomb Syria?"
Civilization2
(649 posts)must have lost the threading,. .
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bvar22
(39,909 posts)We need to find a way to tear this monster down before it kills us all.
Hyperbole?
I don't think so.
If EVIL exists in this World, it sits at the boardroom table at Carlyle Group.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)nt
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)and it's not just Carlyle sucking our taxes. They're just the most obvious, imo.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)in defense of Carlyle Group. This will be a hoot. Bonus points if they post a Moscow road map claiming it shows CW sites in Syria.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)scroll up!
jeff47
(26,549 posts)kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Surveillance should be extremely limited and what must happen should be managed and performed only by civil servants and neither by private contractors nor by political appointees.
Even the metadata is too revealing and too useful to be in the hands of political operators which is what nearly everyone interested in having or getting or finding the data from the surveillance that is supposedly on terrorists but that sweeps in all kinds of people is.
There is no way this program is compatible with democracy. I try to figure out how it could be done without seriously damaging our rights and our democracy, and I cannot think of any. I do not believe there can possibly be any.
It's either surveillance or democracy.
No one who would be interested in managing the surveillance program would be free from some political bias.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)Conflicts? NO!!! Trust them. WHY? BECAUSE.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)It's gotta be true. Especially given the link provided by Israeli intelligence!
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)this is called self-dealing
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)That is just a fact.
markpkessinger
(8,409 posts)From Booz Allen Hamilton's Wikipedia entry:
In June 2012 Booz Allen announced plans to expand its operations in North Africa and the Middle East, with initial plans to add operations in Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, United Arab Emirates. It planned to later to add operations to Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey, during when those countries, as stated by Jill R. Aitoro of the Washington Business Journal, "recover from the turmoil associated with the Arab Spring." 45) The Booz Allen employee base, when it was a part of Booz & Co., had long-term relationships with many North African and Middle Eastern countries; Booz Allen had split from Booz & Co.(45) David Sirota of Salon said that politicians in the United States who received financing from Booz Allen and "other firms with a similar multinational business model" have vested interests in "denigrating the democratic protest movements that challenge Mideast surveillance states that make those donors big money, too." 43)
Booz Allen helped the Government of the United Arab Emirates create an equivalent of the National Security Agency for that country. According to David E. Sanger and Nicole Perlroth of The New York Times, "one Arab official familiar with the effort" said that "They are teaching everything. Data mining, Web surveillance, all sorts of digital intelligence collection." 46) In 2013 Sanger and Perlroth said that the company "profits handsomely from its worldwide expansion".(46)
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43. Sirota, David. "How cash secretly rules surveillance policy." Salon. Tuesday June 18, 2013. Retrieved on June 27, 2013.
45. Aitoro, Jill R. "Booz Allen Hamilton expands overseas footprint." Washington Business Journal. June 8, 2012. Retrieved on July 27, 2013.
46. Sanger, David E. and Nicole Perlroth. "After Profits, Defense Contractor Faces the Pitfalls of Cybersecurity." The New York Times. June 15, 2013. Retrieved on June 27, 2013.
Hey, no conflict of interest at all, right?
Anybody still think this is about the use of chemical weapons? If so, can I interest you in a lovely old bridge?
ancianita
(36,207 posts)Myrina
(12,296 posts)Thank you.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)bluedeathray
(511 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)I can't find anything on news.google.com
randome
(34,845 posts)I would think anything provided by external agencies is looked upon the same way we see Wikipedia -it provides a reference point but is never 'proof' of anything.
I would hope that's the case.
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L0oniX
(31,493 posts)So now the NSA is part of war contractor cabal? ...as well as being hooked up with the DEA. Fucking pigs running wild!
jsr
(7,712 posts)Heck, corporate greed is what drives our government policy - anywhere.
Berlum
(7,044 posts)suspect stuff
niyad
(113,776 posts)DhhD
(4,695 posts)Many aspects of global control are backed through the global person-hood/corp/cartel.
http://prisonplanet.com/washingtons_power_elite_are_the_beneficiaries_of_war.html
W made president to move governments away from the Renewable Resources and Environmentalism; in other words, minding our own business here at home for the good of OUR people not for the rich. Hope Obama makes decisions in the best interest of Our people and not for the war machine of the the MIC global who want war in Syria. Mr. President, please spend the money here in America on jobs, education, infrastructures of many kinds.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/07/14/551678/-Bush-Administration-has-Never-Taken-the-Taliban-as-a-Serious-Threat-Title-changed#
http://www.communitycurrency.org/BushCrimeFamily.html
http://www.hereinreality.com/carlyle.html#.Uh9bbZK1ESg
http://www.angelfire.com/indie/pearly/htmls/bush-carlyle.html
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)Cronus Protagonist
(15,574 posts)This is as true as it ever was.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)showing all the tentacles of this NSA "public/private" beast?
I know Sanford is big too, regarding intel.
It would be very powerfully informative to have see such a chart.
Does anyone recall seeing this anywhere of late?
I know "Google is my friend" (or used to be, before they caved to NSA), and have
already given that a go and am coming up empty-handed, so I'm asking around.
Civilization2
(649 posts)indepat
(20,899 posts)a thriving Bush-co enterprise: this is so surreal that you could not make this stuff up.
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)pun intended.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)Double, perhaps triple-dipping their murderous, lying snouts. You and I, though. are told there isn't enough left in the trough for Social Security or Medicare or HEAP, or the VA, or Schools. Some Animals are more equal than Others, I reckon, and War Pigs gotta War. Now..stop questioning the President. He only wants to keep us safe.