Glenn Greenwald's Partner Was Carrying A Stunning Amount Of Sensitive Documents When He Was Detained

[FarCenter]

Some of the key points:
- Robbins said that the case material included 58,000 documents that were "highly classified UK intelligence documents."
- Among the documents was a piece of paper with the decryption password.
- Police decrypted one file on Miranda's hard drive with the password.
- The material contains "personal information that would allow British intelligence staff to be identified," including overseas.
- Because of the size and scope of the material gathered, the British government believes that Edward Snowden "indiscriminately appropriated material in bulk."
- In what could be a particularly troubling development, the UK government has "had" to assume that Snowden's data is in the hands of foreign governments to which he has traveled: Hong Kong and Russia. (Greenwald told Business Insider last week that it was "highly unlikely" that had happened, however.)
- Robbins argued that it is "impossible" for Greenwald or any other journalist to determine which information could damage national security.


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/david-miranda-glenn-greenwald-documents-national-security-2013-8

[randome]

1. Good God, these guys are all amateurs. A piece of paper with the decryption password?

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[FarCenter]

4. It is hard to remember "123456"

Snowden journo's boyfriend 'had crypto key for thumb-drive files written down' - cops

The Metropolitan police, whose officers detained Miranda at Heathrow, issued a statement today saying:

We are pleased that the Claimant has withdrawn his attempt to restrict our continued access to, and use of, material that was seized from him at Heathrow airport on Sunday 18 Aug 2013 under Schedule 7.

The examination of this material is necessary for the purposes of an ongoing criminal investigation and to protect public safety.

An initial examination of the seized material has identified highly sensitive material within thousands of classified intelligence documents. As previously stated the Metropolitan Police Service Counter Terrorism Command is now carrying out a criminal investigation, which is at an early stage.

The Counter Terrorism Command nowadays has as part of its portfolio the functions of the former Met police Special Branch, which was tasked to work with the intelligence and security services on espionage cases among other things.

It will not escape Reg readers' consideration that while the Guardian's security may have been poor, it was the US and UK governments' security regimes which allowed the information to escape in the first place.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/30/snowden_journos_boyfriend_had_crypto_key_for_thumbdrive_files_written_down_cops/

[JoePhilly]

21. Breaking: Secret video of Greenwald et al discussing their password was released.

[FarCenter]

25. Outstanding! Thanks!

[FSogol]

31. +1 LOL

[Whisp]

32. ROFLMAO! omg.

[riqster]

37. Gotta change the password on my luggage. nt

[Cha]

77. that's greenwald's journo "boyfriend", Miranda.

[dsc]

90. I wonder if you would put a heterosexual life partner in such quotes

[Cha]

95. Hey dsc.. I put it in quotes to let FarCenter know that

it is Greenwald's boyfriend instead of Snowden's.

Sorry, if I offended you.. I meant no disrespect.

[FarCenter]

96. "Snowden journo" is reference to "Greenwald"

i.e. the journo noted for the Snowden story.

I quoted the title of the article from "The Register" without changing it.

[Cha]

108. Sorry!

[arely staircase]

87. you know nothing of passwords

it is "password" duh.

[Whisp]

6. Had to be bait, or something

to have a piece of paper with the ps.

oiy!
No, they can't be That stupid, they wanted those files to be looked at to keep it newsy for themselves.

Criminals. Uncaring, self serving asshole dangerous criminals.

[Hissyspit]

51. Amateurs. You mean the NSA?

Who let the stuff get taken on the first place?

[arely staircase]

99. pretty much answers the question as to whether the russians and the chinese got the data nt

[Autumn]

2. "a piece of paper with the decryption password"

Sure

[Zorra]

56. I bet the word was

"rosebud".

[Autumn]

89. That made me laugh

Every computer person I know never writes down their passwords, never. Neither do I

[KittyWampus]

3. but according to GREENWALD- he was detained solely for being Greenwald's spouse.

[Blue_Tires]

5. ...And that he was carrying nothing other than unimportant laptops and gaming consoles....

[Andy823]

7. So I guess that would mean

Greenwald was LYING?

[Cha]

79. greenwald lies.. he also said he was detained "without a lawyer".. forgot to mention

"Miranda refused a lawyer". Little details like that.

joshuafoust @joshuafoust

Miranda was detained with 58,000 encrypted docs & a handwritten passcode. One file contains names & locations of agents.1:00 AM - 30 Aug 2013

106 Retweets 11 favorites ReplyRetweet

joshuafoust @joshuafoust

The UK court ruling shows, once again, how brazenly Greenwald lied about the incident.1:01 AM - 30 Aug 2013

45 Retweets 6 favorites Reply

http://theobamadiary.com/2013/08/30/early-bird-chat-17/

[Mojorabbit]

105. My understanding is he refused a lawyer the UK wanted to give him

as he did not trust them and wanted his own. I seem to remember this was noted in a ton of posts.

[KittyWampus]

106. But Greenwald/Guardian's FIRST article was he was flatly denied council. Then the 2nd story was-

he was offered a lawyer but didn't trust them. Then story #3. Miranda had a lawyer in hour 8 of detention.

So what happened is Miranda WAS offered a lawyer, didn't trust him and it took 8 hours for his own lawyer to arrive.

VASTLY different than "Miranda denied lawyer".

[Mojorabbit]

107. Perhaps being denied the lawyer you want gave the first headline.

Not getting your lawyer till 8 hours into the detention could be interpreted during that time period as being denied your council. Headlines evolved as the situation evolved. There does not seem to be anything nefarious about that info unless one has an agenda.

[Segami]

8. LOL! So now we give credence to the British Keystone cops

because 'they claim' to have found a piece of paper with the password written on it?


Hold on..........



So maybe,....just maybe, someone decided to put out some bait cheese to gage just how many little mice will come out to nibble on it.

[arely staircase]

100. apparantly they were smarter than double O Glenn nt

[UTUSN]

9. R#8 for, but he needed it for his Journalism exam!1 n/t

[Hydra]

10. The info from the gov't sounds a little odd

I have to wonder whether they actually have a password or not.

[MNBrewer]

11. I think they're lying, frankly.

It wouldn't surprise me if all of a sudden they announce that child porn was found (that's one of their favorite smears), or maybe that he had unprotected sex somewhere...

Never, ever trust the Security State's pronouncements.

[gholtron]

29. Hummmm I think there is a lie between Greenwald and Snowden

They can't get their story straight. I always said that why did Snowden have to take 4 computers to a foreign country ... I mean countries? Now that there is proof of damaging documents carried by Greenwald's lover, now Snowden is saying I didn't authorize for that to be exposed and Greenwald saying I didn't agree to that. Wow.

[MNBrewer]

33. "Greenwald's lover"... how salacious!!

Saying "Greenwald's male lover" would have made it even MORE salacious!! Maybe "Greenwald's male latin lover", for maximum salaciousness.

[QC]

64. Be sure to throw in something about mules, too.

You know what they say about those Brazilian guys!

[MNBrewer]

65. ahh, yes

and carrier pigeons...

[arely staircase]

97. of course you do. you have to because the alternative

is pretty fucking humiliating for Greenwald, Snowden and their fan club.

[MNBrewer]

101. Right... it's the "GSFC" that is humiliated in all this

Not the Obama Security State....

[arely staircase]

102. yeah getting caught at the airport with the names of British agents and over twice the number

of documents you claimed to have and your encryption password on a piece of paper and then saying you just had some video games and were denied a lawyer when you actually refused one is a real credibility builder.

[randome]

103. So Obama controls Britain, too, now? Funny how that vote didn't go the way he wanted.

These Libertarian 'soldiers' are stealing from many sources, is my guess.
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[MNBrewer]

104. Your grasping at straws is becoming ridiculous

[woo me with science]

12. They had no right to detain him in the first place. nt

[pnwmom]

13. The UK isn't bound by US law. n/t

[woo me with science]

14. David Miranda's detention had no basis in law, says former lord chancellor

It was a fucking anti-TERRORISM law. Your apologism for this is sickening, IMO.

David Miranda's detention had no basis in law, says former lord chancellor
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023503196

Britons Demand Explanation After Reporter’s Partner Is Detained
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014569605

[Whisp]

15. I guess you don't have friends or family that are NSA agents.

They would deservedly be pretty nervous about what GG and the Russian Spy might reveal and what Putin might know.

But whateva. You carry on as usual. Nevermind trivia like that.

[woo me with science]

17. You still pushing this swill?

Shameless.

[KittyWampus]

22. on International flights they ask you if you are carrying anything for someone else.

[Whisp]

23. the shame is gullibles believing in the Russian Spy saying Russia is a leader in human rights.

now take that with a large glass of water.

[pnwmom]

27. The Lord Chancellor didn't know what was revealed today.

Documents that put UK agents in the Middle East in danger were shared with The Independent, which says they did not come from a government source.

And Greenwald says he never agreed to any limitation on his handling of the materials.

[Blue_Tires]

61. Then the law should be repealed, since theoretically anyone can be held...

I don't know why anyone is shocked that the UK would take what is essentially a loosely-tailored "reasonable suspicion/probable cause" law on steroids and stretch it a couple of miles in the name of protecting secrets of national security...

[MNBrewer]

34. One might think it is bound by UK law, however.

[pnwmom]

38. And that law allows airport detention for up to 9 hours.n/t

[woo me with science]

49. Of a journalist's partner.

SHAME on you.

[FarCenter]

58. A journalist (or partner) has no immunity from criminal arrest and prosecution

[woo me with science]

92. The journalist's family should never have been detained in the first place.

Shame on you.

[frylock]

59. and under what law was that again?

[MNBrewer]

60. It's a terrorism statute

[joshcryer]

19. Under Schedule 7 they don't have to have a reason.

It's one of the more totalitarian laws in the UK that exists.

[alcibiades_mystery]

16. This sounds so boneheaded that one has to hope the police are lying

Or that this was some fancy ruse to trick the intelligence agencies - both possibilities, of course, insisted upon above.

It's not difficult to see why.

If the police aren't lying, then many people have thrown in their lot with a pack of cretinous and dangerous idiots.

[joshcryer]

20. It could've been a basic mistake.

From what I can tell the file that the password went to may have actually been deleted on the laptop. They might not have realized it could be recovered. Basically that the password wasn't to the flash drives, naturally, but an encrypted file on the flash drives. If true it could be that a double layer of security bit them in the butt, since you can undelete files.

[FarCenter]

24. But everyone knows that "delete" doesn't actually delete files

You have to dump the recycle bin and then use a program to wipe the unused hard drive and thumb drive space.

Unless you are a rank amateur at computer security.

[joshcryer]

26. Sure, which is how it seems.

If they had piece of paper with a password to anything on it, they're clearly lacking some basic principles.

[pnwmom]

28. Greenwald was pretty much a rank amateur, by his own admission.

He said Laura had to teach him. Apparently she didn't teach him enough.

[The Straight Story]

18. Some people will believe the govt on this but not on assad using chemical weapons

I guess we believe what we want to

[grasswire]

30. The British government has no credibility.

David Kelley.

[Andy823]

47. Then again

Neither does Greenwald, and the longer this goes on the less credibility he seems to have.

[hootinholler]

35. Considering this is a home office spokesman arguing before the court

Trying to explain why they used a terrorism law to detain a non terrorist, I'm not so sure how much of this I accept as fact.

Plus the experience that Poitras has with encryption, I seriously doubt anything useful was encrypted with a single passphrase instead of a public key.

It just doesn't make sense.

[grasswire]

36. from Snowden's statement

"It appears that the UK government is now seeking to create an appearance that the Guardian and Washington Post's disclosures are harmful, and they are doing so by intentionally leaking harmful information to The Independent and attributing it to others. "

[Whisp]

39. The Ministry of Truth has spoken!

[grasswire]

41. who amongst these parties has a reputation for lying?

The British government? David Miranda?

No contest.

[Andy823]

44. You forgot Greenwald

Since most here do not really know much about David Miranda, it would be hard to say anything about his honesty, but Geenwald, well let's just say his "ego" is pretty much running his life, and I think maybe his "ego" is not very honest!

[grasswire]

72. "let's just say....." "pretty much...." "I think maybe...."

Weasel words.

Fail.

[Whisp]

45. at least the Brit Gov isn't cracked in the head enough to call

Russia some leader in human rights.

good lawd.

[Hissyspit]

50. "The Ministry of Truth"

You mean British government spokespersons?

The irony.

[Whisp]

52. why would I believe anyone associated with a Russian Spy that says

Russia is a leader of human rights.

Come on, that has got to smart n' sting for the Snowed ones.

[Hissyspit]

67. You don't have to.

(Assuming anything ELSE you said is true, either). You don't have to automatically believe other potential bullshit, either.

"Snowed ones." Yeah, that's useful propagandistic rhetoric. It's not really about the truth for you, is it? Orwell wrote about that. too.

[Whisp]

68. yes, only certain ones here have an inside on special truths.

[Hissyspit]

69. Well, given your initial reaction to the OP was complete non-critical acceptance

and frivolous demonizing jokes, as well as repetition of things as fact that you have no proof as being true...

[Whisp]

70. Some of us tried to tell you that GG and Snow were full of shit

with their full of shit stories.

Now you getting mad, but at the wrong people and you want, all of a sudden, a 'place nice' area. ha!

[Hissyspit]

71. What the fuck are you talking about?

It has nothing to do with playing nice.

[Whisp]

73. and your complete, non critical acceptance of everything GG

is just ducky because you know the truth, unlike the rest of us unwashed.

I know.

And the complete, critical unacceptance of anything Obama peeps coincidentally embrace the Russian Spy and his accomplice as truthsayers.

yup.

we know.

[Hissyspit]

74. What complete non-critical acceptance of everything Glenn Greenwald?

You don't know what you're talking about.

[Whisp]

75. there is a faction here that take every word of GGs as truth.

and many of the hardcores coincidentally also believe that Obama is going to starve old people with cat food, and that he is a homophobe but hiding it really well, that he is worse than Bush, that he is in cahoots with all of Wall Street to rip us all off of our last dollar, that he is lazy and ineffectual, that he is too timid and also too authoritarian all at the same time, that he can over ride a destructive GOP congress if you only wanted to bad enough, that he represents all that is evil about governing, etc..,

That's just the appetizer, I could go on.

[99Forever]

86. Bwahahahahahahah....

... oh the irony!

Stop. You're cracking me up.

[Segami]

53. LOL!

[ananda]

40. Why would anyone travel with those kinds of documents?

That is unbelievably stupid in my view.

They could just scan the docs, put em on a cloud or maybe put em on
a thumb drive and mail em.

[Segami]

42. Exactly! WHY would anyone travel with such documents

when all eyes are watching their every move?




The 'headbangs' are just not hard enough....

[grasswire]

43. NSA was searching the clouds that week.

The big players were shut down.

[CJCRANE]

81. Surely it depends on how much memory it takes up?

I'm no expert but big files always take a long time to upload/download so there's more chance of detection.

[nadinbrzezinski]

46. This rises above any credibility

He had no key, but suddenly he did?

Little mice, here's some cheese.

[Enrique]

48. an anonymous government official says something bad about Greenwald!

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!

[Whisp]

54. and Greenwald always says something good about

GREENWALD!!!

[Blue_Tires]

66. I don't get it...

Since Greenwald and any other journos have no problems citing anon. gov't sources when it suits them....

[Cha]

80. Greenwald is his own worst enemy.. Maybe if he stopped lying all the time.

But, why kill a good buzz from the Whine?

snip//

Remember the Guardian’s first reports about the UK government detaining Glenn Greenwald’s partner David Miranda, and how Greenwald said Miranda had been “denied a lawyer?”

Then, the next day, the Guardian’s story changed. In this article they write that Miranda “refused” a lawyer because he didn’t trust the UK: David Miranda: ‘They Said I Would Be Put in Jail if I Didn’t Co-Operate’.

He was offered a lawyer and a cup of water, but he refused both because he did not trust the authorities.

Well, today the story has changed again. And now the Guardian is acknowledging that Miranda actually did have a lawyer — buried near the very end of this article: David Miranda Wins Partial Court Victory Over Data Seized by Police.

http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-liberal/2013/08/guardians-story-changes-again-now-they-admit-david-miranda-did-have-a-lawyer-2467192.html

"..But to start detaining the family members and loved ones of journalists is simply despotic. Even the Mafia had ethical rules against targeting the family members of people they felt threatened by. But the UK puppets and their owners in the US national security state obviously are unconstrained by even those minimal scruples."

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/18/david-miranda-detained-uk-nsa

joshuafoust @joshuafoust

Miranda was detained with 58,000 encrypted docs & a handwritten passcode. One file contains names & locations of agents.1:00 AM - 30 Aug 2013

106 Retweets 11 favorites Reply

joshuafoust @joshuafoust

The UK court ruling shows, once again, how brazenly Greenwald lied about the incident.1:01 AM - 30 Aug 2013

45 Retweets 6 favorites Reply

http://theobamadiary.com/2013/08/30/early-bird-chat-17/

[Whisp]

82. +++ now that's the GG we know. Liar.

but it sure gets the posse in a slather, enough to donate to the Cause. Ca-Ching GG.

[Cha]

83. I know, huh? It's really unreal.

talk about dupes for the "cause". that would be to fatten a certain liar's wallet.

[woo me with science]

55. The anti-journalism propaganda has no credibility anymore.

Shame on anyone who defends this garbage attempting to justify detaining families of journalists.



Daniel Ellsberg: ‘Obama Would Have Indicted Me & Sought A Life Sentence For Me"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023563068

[dkf]

57. Greenwald says they are bs'ing you.

Last edited Fri Aug 30, 2013, 06:13 PM - Edit history (1)

@ggreenwald: Anyone claiming that David Miranda was carrying a password that allowed access to documents is lying. UK itself says they can't access them.

@ggreenwald: @MichaelKelleyBI Good encryption requires multiple passwords, not just one. That pw allows no access to documents, period.

[Cali_Democrat]

62. Greenwald is pissed he won't be getting those docs

[dkf]

63. He has thousands already. Beats me what extra Poitras would have had.

They were both with Snowden in Hong Kong.

[woo me with science]

93. Oh, no. No one after Snowden would ever *lie* to us.

They just give the "least untruthful" narrative.

Plus, "There is no spying on Americans," anyway.

[Cha]

76. "One file contains names & locations of agents."

joshuafoust @joshuafoust

Miranda was detained with 58,000 encrypted docs & a handwritten passcode. One file contains names & locations of agents.1:00 AM - 30 Aug 2013

101 Retweets 10 favorites Reply

http://theobamadiary.com/2013/08/30/early-bird-chat-17/

"- The material contains "personal information that would allow British intelligence staff to be identified," including overseas."

Carrying all this vital intelligence and greenwald was whining about him being "detained" "without a lawyer". Which turned out to be another damn lie. Assholes.

thanks FarCenter.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

78. BAHAHAHHHAHA!! Notice how people hold to their "beliefs" despite evidence

yeah. somehow we're supposed to believe the f'ing UK security apparatus doesn't have every right to stop and detain someone alleged to have volumes of sensitive data. Then when they dig into it, lo and behold this guys running around with information about the identities of British intelligence officers.

I am not kidding. These doofuses Snowden and Greenwald in their hatred of Obama have damaged themselves and countless others.

No sympathy for Greenwald, Miranda, or anyone else involved.

Notice how there has been NOTHING emanating from Brazilian government once it was explained to them by UK why exactly this guy was stopped?

[Whisp]

84. well donchoo know that

it's fine and dandy to reveal agents names, that's transparency and a good hit in the balls against Da Man! But but don't you go looking at what kind of porn I have, that's sacred!

[Cha]

85. I would think more than a few people

would be thinking twice after their initial response to Miranda's detainment. Based soley on Greenwald's lies.

joshuafoust @joshuafoust

Miranda was detained with 58,000 encrypted docs & a handwritten passcode. One file contains names & locations of agents.1:00 AM - 30 Aug 2013

106 Retweets 11 favorites Reply

http://theobamadiary.com/2013/08/30/early-bird-chat-17/

I hope those names weren't released.

[Whisp]

88. Those people and their family and friends

are cursing out the Russian Spy and his helpers. As they should. As everyone with any sense should instead of holding them up as some kind of pathetic heroes.

[WeekendWarrior]

91. What a Surprise.

And all the outrage over detaining him...

[DevonRex]

94. His purpose IS to damage national security, ours and the UK's.

He's as guilty as Snowden. A spy hiding behind the mask of being a journalist. He's a journalist to be a spy. Just like he was a civil rights lawyer to defend a Neo-Nazi.

[randome]

98. I don't think these were Snowden's documents.

I think this group has been stealing from many sources and they want us to think it all came from Snowden so they aren't suspected of being a global espionage ring.

Why would so many British documents be stored on NSA servers?

Think about it. As devoted as these people are to the Libertarian brand, do we really think Snowden would be the only person they could 'turn'?
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