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Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 11:40 AM Feb 2012

Why Do Innocent People Confess?

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Once the police had badgered a rough murder confession from Felix, they taped it. Yet the confession lacked a critical detail — one that officers neglected to feed to him. Felix learned it three days later in court when he was handed the charge sheet and saw the date of the crime. He stared at the document and realized that he had the perfect alibi: On the day that Antonio Ramirez was gunned down, Felix had been locked up in a juvenile detention facility for violating probation in a case of theft.

The murder charge was dropped, of course, and Mr. Foxall was greatly relieved. “I would have hated to have had to try the case,” he said. “It would have been very scary. Juries don’t want to believe that somebody will confess to a crime he didn’t commit.” Judges don’t want to believe this either. In fact, according to Mr. Foxall, the juvenile commissioner in Felix’s case said, “Well, I don’t understand — why would he confess?”
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Officers are taught to use all the tricks and lies that courts permit within the scope of the Fifth Amendment’s shield against self-incrimination. John E. Reid & Associates, which has trained thousands of interrogators, suggests that a suspect be induced to waive his constitutional rights to silence and counsel by giving him the famous Miranda warning “casually” and not immediately after arrest, when he is “defensive and guarded” and “more likely to invoke his rights.” When a skilled questioner splices it nonchalantly into conversation, the warning’s empowering message of choice can be lost on a suspect. Many false confessors have been routinely Mirandized in this perfunctory manner.

To get people talking, the Reid training also recommends questions that imply leniency without making explicit promises, and that reduce moral responsibility by blaming peer pressure: “Was this your idea or did your buddies talk you into it?” Interrogators are advised to pretend to have evidence but not to fabricate it. A suspect can be shown a card bearing a latent fingerprint and be told: “This is your fingerprint. We found it inside that stolen car.” That’s been allowed by courts if the police officer puts his or her own print on the card but not if the officer fakes it with the suspect’s print. Admissions produced by these tactics may be true or untrue.
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In experiments and in interrogation rooms, adults who are told convincing fictions have become susceptible to memories of things that never happened. Rejecting their own recollections through what psychologists call “memory distrust syndrome,” they are tricked by phony evidence into accepting their own fabrications of guilt — an “internalized false confession.”
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/26/opinion/sunday/why-do-innocent-people-confess.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

This is a long and scary article. This is one reason you NEVER talk to the police without a lawyer.

The information in this article and the findings about eyewitness testimony and its accuracy needs to
be more widely known. Too many things are written in stone.

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Why Do Innocent People Confess? (Original Post) Are_grits_groceries Feb 2012 OP
Fear and intimidation are useful tools to our overlords. Lint Head Feb 2012 #1
Yep, scarey stuff onlyadream Feb 2012 #2
Everyone needs to go to YouTube and search for TlalocW Feb 2012 #3
Here's the whole video Morning Dew Feb 2012 #11
Depending on the crime and charge libtodeath Feb 2012 #4
It's a very odd thing treestar Feb 2012 #5
Ever heard of the Reid technique? TrogL Feb 2012 #6
Cheney water boards them. HopeHoops Feb 2012 #7
Police threatened this man with imprisonment and rape if he didn't confess so he did NNN0LHI Feb 2012 #8
Torture. Iggo Feb 2012 #9
Torture. Rex Feb 2012 #10
Amazing (and very scary) Frontline on this. Highly recommended - cbayer Feb 2012 #12

onlyadream

(2,166 posts)
2. Yep, scarey stuff
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 11:46 AM
Feb 2012

In my neck of the woods the SCPD coerced a young 19 yo boy into a confession of killing his parents, despite a ton of evidence that the dad's business partner did the deed. He spent 20 years in prison and then was let go (a few years ago) when more evidence came to light. The boy was Martin Tankleff.

http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/reference/timestopics/people/t/martin_tankleff/index.html

Really goes to show that confessions are meaningless (and torture will give you all sorts of false info).

TlalocW

(15,381 posts)
3. Everyone needs to go to YouTube and search for
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 11:46 AM
Feb 2012

Don't Talk to Cops. The top two hits should be Part 1 and 2 of a college lecture - first part by the professor and second by a cop.

This cop for the most part seems on the up-and-up at least when it comes to his wanting to be sure he's got the right person, but he readily admits to using tricks. There are so many horror stories of cops getting the wrong person, DNA evidence getting people out of jail, etc. that I wonder about the majority of cops - do they not care if they get the right person? Is one person as good as another (especially if you're a minority)?

TlalocW

libtodeath

(2,888 posts)
4. Depending on the crime and charge
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 11:54 AM
Feb 2012

they might be encouraged to plead guilty and accept a few year sentence rather then risk a trial and face a long sentence.
This would apply to emotional (sex abuse) cases where a jury will have a hard time finding a person innocent no matter what the evidence is.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
5. It's a very odd thing
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 11:55 AM
Feb 2012

We all think we won't do it. But once that cop is really in your face, I guess most of us not used to dealing with that will tell them anything to get them out! Demand a lawyer no matter what! No matter how small the charge.

I had a friend charged with robbery for grabbing something from his girlfriend! Because of the "force" used. They will intimidate you with words - I'm going to charge you with (extreme thing you never dreamed of doing) and they do not have to keep those promises. If it is not in writing, it did not happen!

TrogL

(32,822 posts)
6. Ever heard of the Reid technique?
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 11:59 AM
Feb 2012

I was subjected to it during an interrogation related to my first wife's fatal car accident. I was asleep in bed at the time but was railroaded into confessing some sort of responsibility.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
12. Amazing (and very scary) Frontline on this. Highly recommended -
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 02:17 PM
Feb 2012


Frontline: The Confessions
2010NR83 minutes

In this edition of the investigative PBS series, show producer Ofra Bikel looks into the case of four U.S. Navy seamen living in the hellish aftermath of falsely confessing to the 1997 rape and murder of a Virginia woman. Through interviews with the convicted men, Bikel exposes the high-pressure interrogation methods used by police to extract confessions despite the absence of evidence connecting the sailors to the crime.

Cast:
Will Lyman
Director:
Ofra Bikel
Genres:
Documentaries, Military Documentaries
This movie is:
Violent
Availability:
Streaming

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