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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 05:34 PM Aug 2013

Not Another Undeclared War: UK Parliament Votes, Why Not US Congress?

http://www.thenation.com/blog/175970/not-another-undeclared-war-if-uk-parliament-can-vote-why-not-us-congress#axzz2dUSuWLkU


President Barack Obama talks on the phone with Nicole Hockley and families of the victims of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shootings in Newtown, Connecticut, in the Oval Office, April 11, 2013. (Official White House Photo by Pete Souza)

In the aftermath of the Japanese attacks on Pearl Harbor, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s immediate response was to appear before a joint session of Congress to ask for a declaration of war. Despite the fact that an attack on US soil had killed and wounded thousands of Americans, despite the clear threat of additional attacks, Roosevelt honored the separation of powers as defined by the Constitution, along with the clear requirement that “the Congress shall have power…to declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water.”

No president since Roosevelt has respected the Constitution sufficiently to seek a formal declaration of war.

They have had plenty of excuses: a United Nations Security Council resolution, a Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, a “consultation” with congressional leaders. They have interpreted the War Powers Act broadly. They have simply done as they chose.

But they have not obtained the formal declarations of war required by the Constitution.
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Not Another Undeclared War: UK Parliament Votes, Why Not US Congress? (Original Post) xchrom Aug 2013 OP
Do you really think Congressional Members wants to have a vote recorded in this situation? Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #1
Congress do their job!? Rex Aug 2013 #2
Do you think that Congress would disturb their vacation immediately before Labor Day? TexasTowelie Aug 2013 #3
I hate the whole "consultation with congressional leaders" davidn3600 Aug 2013 #4

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
1. Do you really think Congressional Members wants to have a vote recorded in this situation?
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 05:56 PM
Aug 2013

Boehner is leaning on the side of Obama using his war powers because if they vote to authorize and it goes well, those voting NO will stick out and if they vote YES and it turns out badly then they will stick out. For the members in Congress who does not want any responsibility they will try to avoid.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
2. Congress do their job!?
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 05:58 PM
Aug 2013

Why would they do that? Much better to let the POTUS decide on things Congress should be making decisions on. Since he has to do his job and theirs for them! Lazy deadbeats.

TexasTowelie

(112,456 posts)
3. Do you think that Congress would disturb their vacation immediately before Labor Day?
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 05:58 PM
Aug 2013

They barely work anyway so why should anyone develop expectations that they will change now?

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
4. I hate the whole "consultation with congressional leaders"
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 06:03 PM
Aug 2013

I mean WTF?

Congress is made up of 535 elected representatives. You consult with THEM...not just a few leaders and pretend as if the whole congress has the same belief and given you authorization.

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