Kerry: 'FUCK Congress!! POTUS is bombing the shit out of Syria anyway' <-paraphrase

[99th_Monkey]

did I get that right?

"The Obama administration indicated on Sunday that it would launch
military strikes against Syria even if it failed to get the backing of the
US Congress, claiming evidence that sarin gas had been used in
chemical attacks outside Damascus last month."
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/01/obama-strike-syria-congress-kerry

[RobertEarl]

1. Kerry has to act tough

He's part of the Empire, now.

What he needs to do is sit back, read some of DU, and chill.

[99th_Monkey]

2. +100 ^ain't^that^the^truth ~nt~

[MoonRiver]

43. We knew he was part of the Empire when the Iraq war vote was counted.

[zeemike]

47. I think he joined the empire

When he joined Skull and Bones.
And his loyalty will always be to them.

[HooptieWagon]

3. I guess they're positive it was Assad who used sarin...

...just like they were positive Snowden was on Morales' plane.
If they get it wrong again, the US is going to be a laughingstock, and Obama seen to be an even bigger fool than Bush.

[99th_Monkey]

8. Sad to say, we are already a "laughing stock"

because of our use of depleted uranium and white phosphorus,
which are widely considered "chemical weapons".

[HooptieWagon]

24. Not to mention chemicals we sold Saddam....

...and instructed him on how to use them most effectively.

However, Obama wasn't President back then, but he is now. He started out with a clean slate....enough so that he won a Nobel Prize just for not being Bush. But, every Bush-like action he takes, takes him another step down to Bush's level. Its sad, and it didn't have to be that way.

[Cooley Hurd]

4. Hey... can you put "paraphrase" in parentheses before your paraphrase...

...of Secretary Kerry's words? You put quotation marks around your subject line which gives the impression that he said what you wrote verbatim. He didn't.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

6. He sure didn't but the ODSers don't care. They just make shit up!

[Cooley Hurd]

7. 99th_Monkey is not an ODSer...

...nor am I. I just want DUers to NOT post hyperbole and then attribute quotes when such a quote wasn't made.

[morningfog]

11. If all you have is a dumbass made up acronym, why even bother?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

14. Post a direct quote from Kerry and I will never use the term ODS again...

[morningfog]

33. It's not my OP. I just think the stupid acronym is a piss poor attampt to argue or debate.

I don't think any reasonable thinking person reading the OP believed that was a direct quote from Kerry. It was obviously satirical.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

40. ODS is apropos for a segment of the population that has a knee-jerk negative reaction

against this president before ALL the facts and information is available. ODSers tend to exhibit an irrational, highly emotional and often visceral hatred for this particular president and tend to hold him accountable for absolutely every event, every action, every consequence--seldom exercising logical thought, action or judgment. Even when the president makes a sound decision on an issue, ODSers are never satisfied, finding something else to ridicule him about, moving the goalposts even further to almost impossible heights. OSDers will never give this president credit for anything, for they suffer from this condition that will never allow them to.

ODSers are NOT--I repeat--NOT people who criticize this president who holds this president's feet to the fire. They are NOT those who have legitimate concerns and voice those concerns in a tactful, reasonable, honest and thoughtful manner. Rather, they are usually those who are so blinded by their disdain for this president that they are willing to just make shit ip to suit their point of view; they are willing to go through any lengths to support that POV.

If that doesn't fairly describe you, the OP or others, I humbly apologize. However, there are plenty of ODSers here at DU and elsewhere and I had to point that out.

[Dragonfli]

49. So basically ODS is just the hip new term for an all-inclusive evil racist ant-Presidential strawman

ODS is a complete and total asshole by all accounts and is anywhere and everywhere you chose to point a finger (he pretends to have different names but you and I know better don't we?)

It is not really ODS's fault however, because like Jessica Rabbit, he was just drawn that way.

Word of advice, "When you see the boogyman in the eyes and words of every person you encounter that does not agree with everything said or done by the prophet, hero or other deified image you have of the point of your fixation, it is not likely Satan fighting your God or ODS daemons trying to bring down the only infallible politician that ever lived or Loki, or the Coyote, but more likely nothing more than a simple straw man you project or perhaps even the delusion of a paranoid and unhealthy thought process."

That being said, I do not know you well enough to know if what you do is paint people up with copious amounts of straw or if you are really delusional.

If it is the latter all as I can say is. "Just because your paranoid doesn't mean they aren't all out to get you and the hero you idolize, it's just that usually everyone isn't 'just out to get you' - that's why they term people that believe such things paranoid."

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

53. "Segment of the population" does not equal "all inclusive". Reading comprehension is key!! ;)

[Dragonfli]

55. Yes I know, there are none in the BOG for instance, but you still see them everywhere don't you?

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Reading comprehension is good, had you comprehended what I wrote you would have realized that I was referring to the all-inclusiveness of the potential disagreements that are considered valid to get one painted by you as such.

Funny how the "segment of the population" that succumbs to this made up disorder (could not seem to find it in the medical books) always appear to be diagnosed with this disease when they disagree with fanatics of political faith.

Before I was diagnosed with ODS by what I assume is a professional psychiatrist like yourself and your mentor on the subject Charles Krauthammer, I was diagnosed with BDS by a similar giant in the psychological sciences for displaying a derangement wherein I believed that Saddam Hussein did not order the 911 attacks and was not an imminent threat to the US. I was deranged because I didn't agree with Bush on war, taxes, the Unitary Executive and a whole string of social issues. I'd like to say I was cured of my Bush Derangement Syndrome, but unfortunately my case appears terminal as I still disagree with such political and ethical philosophies.

What I find interesting is that both ODS and BDS are often diagnosed as a result of the inability of the subject to adopt the same PNAC and Neoliberal policies that both politicians agree upon! (Although there are outliers, hating pie for instance is a sign of ODS but not BDS.)

I think therefore that they may be the very same disease and not separate disorders after all!

That would explain how one such as myself who was never cured of his BDS could then later be diagnosed with ODS without changing my beliefs or "derangements" as you would call them one little bit.

We may be on to something here! Thanks for the enlightening conversation!

[99th_Monkey]

26. Pondering if I am an "ODSer" or not ... hmmm?

How would I know?

[Dragonfli]

51. The best way to find out if you are an "ODSer" is take a shower -

because if you are an "ODSer" the straw they painted on you to make you one will wash off.

[99th_Monkey]

10. I wish "paraphrase" was not such a long word

that it prohibits what you request, to get it all on the title line.

That IS why I used only one ' and not two " <--was hoping ' would be taken as "paraphrase"

[Cooley Hurd]

12. Gotcha, perhaps lose the quotation marks?

On edit - I noticed that you used the singular quotation mark, but it still gives the impression that you're quoting Kerry.

2nd edit - Thanks!!!

[99th_Monkey]

16. I did some rewording, that did the trick. nt

[Cooley Hurd]

17. Very cool! We have an argument to be made, but probably don't want it lost...

...due to semantics.

[99th_Monkey]

15. I DID get it right though, did I not?

I mean in essence that IS what he's saying.

[Cooley Hurd]

19. I think you did.

[99th_Monkey]

28. Thanks for your suggestion

I think it helped to reduce the "static in the field".

[Thinkingabout]

5. Yep, count on the guardian for your news sources, they might not have the right details

But it is something to read.

[Cooley Hurd]

9. The Guardian is a valid news source.

[99th_Monkey]

13. Since when did you start regarding The Guardian as sketchy?

Wouldn't have anything to do with Snowden now, would it?

[Thinkingabout]

18. It should not matter what the subject is about when they print incorrect details and do not correct

The information it makes the paper not to be a good source.

[Cooley Hurd]

21. They haven't printed incorrect details. Not.At.All.

Not once. Nil. Zilch.

[Thinkingabout]

25. they are like reading the rags as you go through the check out line, I dont believe

What is written in them.

[sibelian]

34. Good thing, too!

I've noticed that all the non-factual things that they print tend to be things that might suggest I need to reconsider my position on something. IT'S LIKE THEY'RE READING MY MIND.

[lumpy]

44. Like propaganda ?

Newspapers are biased ?

[sibelian]

57. WHAT? How could you suggest such a thing?

Professional publications are sensible. You can tell from the way the print's laid out and how snazzy all the graphics look and stuff. They'd never print anything with the aim of coercing emotional reactions from people! That would just be BAD.

[Cooley Hurd]

35. Umkay...

[99th_Monkey]

22. In other words yes, you don't trust The Guardian because they gave Snowden ink.

Isn't that correct?

[Thinkingabout]

27. Did i say that, no, i did not. Get the details right.

[99th_Monkey]

29. So exactly WHAT "details" did The Guardian "not get right"? nt

[Thinkingabout]

30. Do you work for the guardian?

[Cooley Hurd]

36. Again... what didn't they get right?

Do YOU work for the NSA?

[Thinkingabout]

37. Articles like the responses received indicated a great willingness to post incorrect details and I

Thought there was common connection as to incorrect details written in their news media. Totally re-writing details which was not stated.

[Cooley Hurd]

39. Bargle...

Thought you'd post something relevant. My bad...

[IDemo]

23. GGDS...

[ProSense]

20. Here's the transcript:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1309/01/sotu.01.html

[Jefferson23]

32. Thank you for providing the transcript. n/t

[rug]

38. More neolib bullshit.

It's a matter of the credibility of the United States of America. It's a matter of upholding the interests of our allies and friends in the region. Jordan, which is threatened by what is happening. Israel, Turkey, Lebanon, all of which, as I said the other day, are just a stiff breeze away from chemical weapons being used.

I mean, there are huge interests here. And in the long term, Gloria, you know, what we may or may not have to do if we cannot find a peaceful resolution with Iran, well, what we need to do with North Korea, all of these things are part of a continuum of decision making -

It's not primarily about sarin. It's not primarily about punishing Assad. Of equal or greater importance is Iran and that putz in North Korea. War is not simply an extension of diplomacy; it is now an extension of twitter.

[Jefferson23]

31. From the transcript we know what the administration wants and Kerry makes clear

he believes he has the votes: BORGER: Mr. Secretary, thank you so much for being with us this morning. I have to say that it was a surprise yesterday when the president announced that he was going to seek congressional approval for military action in Syria. Can you tell us now whether this administration is prepared to act, even if Congress votes no?

KERRY: Well, we don't contemplate that the Congress is going to vote no, Gloria. I believe this case is powerful and grows more powerful by the day.


The remainder is just disgusting bullshit, this is too sad:

KERRY: We have confidence -- there are good people in the Congress of the United States. I know there have been politically -- it's been difficult, but this is a matter of national security. It's a matter of the credibility of the United States of America. It's a matter of upholding the interests of our allies and friends in the region. Jordan, which is threatened by what is happening. Israel, Turkey, Lebanon, all of which, as I said the other day, are just a stiff breeze away from chemical weapons being used.

I mean, there are huge interests here. And in the long term, Gloria, you know, what we may or may not have to do if we cannot find a peaceful resolution with Iran, well, what we need to do with North Korea, all of these things are part of a continuum of decision making --

BORGER: But --

KERRY: -- that is made in foreign policy, and we believe the Congress of the United States will recognize that responsibility and do what is right. ( end)


Operation Tomahawk with cheese
snip* A rebel, but not a jerk

Let's see what a ''moderate'' Syrian ''rebel'' thinks about all this. Haytahm Manna, in exile for 35 years, is a key member of the non-armed Syrian opposition (yes, they do exist). But he's not following the script; he's resolutely against Operation Tomahawk, with cheese or with extra cheese. (See here (in French).

Worse; he debunks the US government's ''evidence'' of a chemical weapons attack as ''propaganda'' and ''psychological war''. He stresses the chemicals were launched with ''artisanal weapons''; that ties up with Russian intelligence, which is sure gas that it was delivered by a homemade missile fired from a base under opposition control (extensive details compiled here; scroll down to ''Qaboun rocket launches'').

Manna also points to ''videos and photos on the Internet before the attacks''; to al-Qaeda's previous use of chemical weapons; and to the Russians as ''seriously working for the Geneva II negotiations'', unlike the Americans.

Ooops. This is not exactly what the designers of Operation Tomahawk With Cheese were expecting. If a Syrian exile draws these conclusions, the same applies to Syria civilians who are about to be greeted by those deeply moral Tomahawks.


in full: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MID-04-290813.html

[99th_Monkey]

41. The "Axis of Evil" rears its ugly head again

Can't help but notice how Iran and N. Korea got slipped in there.

Thanks for the info from the Syrian guy.

[Jefferson23]

42. You're most welcome.

[shenmue]

45. No, you didn't get it right.

But don't let the facts get in the way of your story.

[99th_Monkey]

46. How about: 'this gravy train for defense contractors has already left the station...'

with or without the support of the US Congress. <-- is this more accurate?

[rhett o rick]

50. If that's your rebuttal, it's lacking. nm

[Bernardo de La Paz]

48. You could be equally wrong & use Assad's paraphrase. People see events through their tinted glasses.

"Obama announced yesterday, {...}, the beginning of the historic American retreat," Syria's official al-Thawra newspaper said in a front-page editorial.

People tend to view everything through filters that they erect to confirm their own biases, whether they are neocons pushing their Long War concept or peaceniks pushing appeasement at any price.

[blkmusclmachine]

52. !

[sigmasix]

54. instead of "paraphrase" you should have used "hyperbole"-more exact description NT

[SidDithers]

56. Keep trying...nt

Sid