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cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 01:50 PM Sep 2013

US to ship chicken to China and then China to ship it back...

Would you willingly eat chicken nuggets processed in a country that has no intention of meeting U.S. food-safety standards? Most Americans likely wouldn't.

That may explain why the U.S. Department of Agriculture waited until Friday -- the day before a long holiday weekend -- to announce that it had ended a ban on Chinese chicken imports by approving four Chinese poultry processors to ship processed ("heat-treated/cooked&quot chicken to the U.S. The report on the approved poultry plants noted that the audit set out to “to determine whether the People's Republic of China's (PRC) food safety system governing poultry processing remains equivalent to that of the United States (U.S.), with the ability to produce products that are safe, wholesome, unadulterated, and properly labeled." Needless to say, the Chinese plants passed.

Initially, at least, the chickens will be slaughtered in the U.S. (or another nation that's allowed to export slaughtered chicken to the U.S.), then shipped to China for processing and re-export. That’s the good news. The bad news is that, according to the New York Times, no USDA inspectors will be present in the Chinese processing plants (despite the fact that China has never before been allowed to export chicken to the U.S.), thus offering consumers no guarantees where the processed chickens were in fact slaughtered. Even worse, because the birds will be processed, the USDA will not require point-of-origin labeling (under USDA rules, foods that have been cooked aren’t subject to point-of-origin labeling). In other words: Consumers will have no way to tell if those chicken nuggets in the supermarket freezer were processed in the U.S. or in China.

That’s a big problem. For more than a decade, China has earned a reputation as one of the world’s worst food-safety offenders. In just the last year, consumers have been confronted with a bird flu outbreak, news of sales of 46-year-old chicken feet and reports of poisonous fake mutton. These are not isolated incidents, but rather the most spectacular instances of a crisis that has become so severe that some consumers now smuggle quantities of infant milk formula from foreign countries into China so as to avoid buying potentially tainted Chinese dairy products.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-03/don-t-trust-a-chicken-nugget-that-s-visited-china.html

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US to ship chicken to China and then China to ship it back... (Original Post) cynatnite Sep 2013 OP
Ewww... avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #1
DO THEY GET FREQUENT FRYER MILES? Bennyboy Sep 2013 #64
DUZY DebJ Sep 2013 #76
As if the ammonia-laced pink slime they used wasn't gross enough... truebrit71 Sep 2013 #2
It has reached the point of absurdity hasn't it? Harmony Blue Sep 2013 #4
And the new Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement TPTB are working on would open the floodgates... truebrit71 Sep 2013 #12
I would much rather eat the pink slime Jenoch Sep 2013 #58
I try to avoid made in China sharp_stick Sep 2013 #3
The only way to be sure anymore arikara Sep 2013 #25
How about "Made in You Don't Want to Know" KansDem Sep 2013 #54
That's what frightens me the most sharp_stick Sep 2013 #75
WTF makes makes some think this makes any sense? liberal N proud Sep 2013 #5
It's shipped frozen, silly. (though that's lipstick on a pig at this point) kestrel91316 Sep 2013 #8
So, does that mean shipped to China frozen, thawed, processed and re-frozen for shipping back to us? Arkansas Granny Sep 2013 #28
Yup. n/t progressoid Sep 2013 #30
Just what I want in my chicken - frozen countless times. liberal N proud Sep 2013 #33
That's what I figured. And no inspections. What a yummy idea! Arkansas Granny Sep 2013 #35
parapapapa, I'm lovin' it. progressoid Sep 2013 #36
Yep. Delicious, huh? kestrel91316 Sep 2013 #56
And we can rest assured that all of this thawing, processing and re-freezing Arkansas Granny Sep 2013 #65
will McDonalds and the other fast food joints be buying these Chinese chicken nuggets? Larkspur Sep 2013 #6
Makes me glad I don't eat meat anymore (although I am sad, because I love chicken). kestrel91316 Sep 2013 #7
It isn't chicken though Aerows Sep 2013 #11
I wouldn't eat them Aerows Sep 2013 #9
I've never been able to stomach cheese food either Sheepshank Sep 2013 #78
Brace yourselves for TPP.... HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #10
I hope to heaven Aerows Sep 2013 #13
AFAIK, labelling would be prohibited. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #20
Meet the new boss. nt awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #40
^^^Yup... truebrit71 Sep 2013 #14
You don't even have to wait for that sharp_stick Sep 2013 #17
Oh goody!! truebrit71 Sep 2013 #18
It's so freakin' ridiculous the way we deal with food. HOW can this be the ideal arrangement? arcane1 Sep 2013 #15
To what end? progressoid Sep 2013 #31
It is the ideal arrangement... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #42
About "ideal arrangement": the question is not HOW but FOR WHO? JHB Sep 2013 #55
Empty cargo ships going back to China anyway jberryhill Sep 2013 #79
That's true. I worked for a container ship company for 9 years... arcane1 Sep 2013 #81
The chicken meat might as well ship as "ballast" jberryhill Sep 2013 #85
Sounds yummy! City Lights Sep 2013 #16
And how can shipping things half way around the world twice be cheaper sinkingfeeling Sep 2013 #19
Talk about a waste of energy! City Lights Sep 2013 #22
ERMAGERD! CHINA!!!!1 bobclark86 Sep 2013 #21
You won't know if they are serving it. progressoid Sep 2013 #32
China has zero problems with killing its own citizens... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #43
"an ounce of prevention" cprise Sep 2013 #48
plus plastic-tainted milk, plus lead-tainted rice... DetlefK Sep 2013 #23
Chicka the China, the Chinese Chicken. You have a drumstick and your brain keeps tickin. Happyhippychick Sep 2013 #24
LOL! LuvNewcastle Sep 2013 #73
"Consumers will have no way to tell if those chicken nuggets were processed in China." jsr Sep 2013 #26
It's cheaper to ship it across the Pacific TWICE rather than meet safety regulations here... Demo_Chris Sep 2013 #27
Factory farms wanna put their diseases in you Blue Owl Sep 2013 #29
Just part of the the WTO trade agreements developed by neocons in the Raygun administration. fasttense Sep 2013 #34
And pushed by the likes... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #44
That really says it all right there. nt Doremus Sep 2013 #51
NAFTA was already signed off by daddy bush fasttense Sep 2013 #66
Clinton could have stood on principle... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #68
We have GOT to make it more expensive to chug stuff over the largest ocean on the planet. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #37
Yet another good reason to cook your own food from SheilaT Sep 2013 #38
Just got back from Asia... And got the worst food poisoning you can imagine. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #39
I'd sooner eat insects I raised myself than a "chicken nugget." hunter Sep 2013 #41
File this one under 'Labor' cprise Sep 2013 #45
I'll have a McBird Flu sandwich, please and an order of thrice-frozen fries! LongTomH Sep 2013 #46
The food industry is committing xfundy Sep 2013 #47
What are you .. chicken? cvoogt Sep 2013 #49
that tears it florida08 Sep 2013 #50
I don't care! At long as it meets my bliss point and has mouth appeal... KansDem Sep 2013 #52
Labor prices are cheaper, but the real profit comes from NutjobMichele Sep 2013 #53
More poison from China - compliments of the Obama administration. MotherPetrie Sep 2013 #57
We don't eat chicken in nugget form. This will only reaffirm that decision. Jenoch Sep 2013 #59
If you can, stop eating that shit! DeSwiss Sep 2013 #60
how about dhol82 Sep 2013 #61
Heh. Benton D Struckcheon Sep 2013 #62
What is going on with the OK of food shipped from China? life long demo Sep 2013 #63
I saw some Alaskan Cod on sale Mnpaul Sep 2013 #67
Well Duh. It's cheaper that way. Read below. Beausoir Sep 2013 #69
Not In This Lifetime! Change has come Sep 2013 #70
I don't know how much more of this I can take... grillo7 Sep 2013 #71
The inmates run the asylum upi402 Sep 2013 #72
I am beginning to believe that our country is trying to kill us emsimon33 Sep 2013 #74
Corporate-Industrial "food" is some stanky ugly suspect crapola Berlum Sep 2013 #77
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #80
We've lost our collective mind. CrispyQ Sep 2013 #82
This is a serious problem, China's lack of regulation presents a huge threat to food safety. DrewFlorida Sep 2013 #83
I don't eat that crap already... WCGreen Sep 2013 #84
 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
2. As if the ammonia-laced pink slime they used wasn't gross enough...
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 01:56 PM
Sep 2013

...now this...

As an aside...they can afford to ship dead chickens' overseas and then re-import them, but they can't pay a living wage to the folks that sell this toxic shit here?

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
12. And the new Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement TPTB are working on would open the floodgates...
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:04 PM
Sep 2013

...to more of this exact type of behaviour..

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
3. I try to avoid made in China
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 01:56 PM
Sep 2013

stuff whenever I can but I try damned hard to be sure that I never buy food made in China.

Ever since the melamine insanity of a few years back I look pretty hard to make sure I'm not ingesting or letting my kids ingest Chinese food.

arikara

(5,562 posts)
25. The only way to be sure anymore
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:34 PM
Sep 2013

is to buy all food ingredients from local sources yourself. Because manufacturers can source all their ingredients out of China and mix it up here and call it made in the USA... or here, made in Canada.

And they do that.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
75. That's what frightens me the most
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 10:09 AM
Sep 2013

I'm always nervous of products that don't bother to tell you where they're made. Food especially scares me, the little candies that you find a dollar stores and the like we try to avoid.

Fortunately I'm able to source most of our food fairly locally and I realize that I'm one of the lucky ones in that.

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
5. WTF makes makes some think this makes any sense?
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 01:58 PM
Sep 2013

What are the drivers?

The meat would most likely spoil in transport let alone whatever it will be exposed to in China.



This is what an unregulated America looks like and where the republicans want to take the country!



Arkansas Granny

(31,516 posts)
28. So, does that mean shipped to China frozen, thawed, processed and re-frozen for shipping back to us?
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:42 PM
Sep 2013

No, thank you. I'll just look for mine fresh at the market or do without.

Arkansas Granny

(31,516 posts)
65. And we can rest assured that all of this thawing, processing and re-freezing
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 06:57 PM
Sep 2013

will be done under strict, sanitary conditions, right? Right?

 

Larkspur

(12,804 posts)
6. will McDonalds and the other fast food joints be buying these Chinese chicken nuggets?
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 01:59 PM
Sep 2013

The Chinese don't have to invade us. They just have to poison us with their crappy processed food.

Maybe it's time to boycott all frozen chicken.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
11. It isn't chicken though
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:02 PM
Sep 2013

It's a "processed chicken food item" which tells you right there that it isn't really chicken but some approximation.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
9. I wouldn't eat them
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:01 PM
Sep 2013

in the first place, no matter where they are made. That's a disgusting food item, right there, and I've willingly eaten pork rinds before. If you are going to eat chicken, eat recognizable chicken or cook it yourself. Don't eat shit that has to be labeled as a "food item" in order to be recognized as food. "Fried processed chicken food item". If you have to inform me that it is food, it really isn't.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
78. I've never been able to stomach cheese food either
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 10:26 AM
Sep 2013

never have been tempted to buy cheese food....just the thought of eating it makes me go all woozy.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
10. Brace yourselves for TPP....
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:02 PM
Sep 2013

When Chinese "regulations" for food safety, enviromental standards, and worker protections, will take precedence over any US laws and regulations.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
13. I hope to heaven
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:04 PM
Sep 2013

there will be a label of some sort, because a "____ food" isn't really food, just approximating the fact that it is food.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
20. AFAIK, labelling would be prohibited.
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:12 PM
Sep 2013

Although the country of origin matters little, if all countries adopt the regulations of the least-regulated country. That is the gist of the TPP.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
17. You don't even have to wait for that
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:10 PM
Sep 2013

from the article:

Even worse, because the birds will be processed, the USDA will not require point-of-origin labeling (under USDA rules, foods that have been cooked aren’t subject to point-of-origin labeling). In other words: Consumers will have no way to tell if those chicken nuggets in the supermarket freezer were processed in the U.S. or in China.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
15. It's so freakin' ridiculous the way we deal with food. HOW can this be the ideal arrangement?
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:05 PM
Sep 2013

Burning more fuel, more pollution, and no oversight. To what end???

JHB

(37,160 posts)
55. About "ideal arrangement": the question is not HOW but FOR WHO?
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:44 PM
Sep 2013

...which would be holding companies that own controlling shares of meatpacking companies.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
79. Empty cargo ships going back to China anyway
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 10:31 AM
Sep 2013

The ships that bring stuff from China go back to China. Whether they are empty or not depends on whether anyone wants to put anything in them.
 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
81. That's true. I worked for a container ship company for 9 years...
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 11:39 AM
Sep 2013

and during that time, our export department gradually shrank down to one corner of one floor, while import ended up with a whole floor to itself. Aside from empty containers, the only things we exported were waste paper and synthetic resin.

then, after years of Walmart and the Gap muscling us on prices, my department shrank too, and I got laid off

sinkingfeeling

(51,457 posts)
19. And how can shipping things half way around the world twice be cheaper
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:12 PM
Sep 2013

than having a processing plant in the US?

bobclark86

(1,415 posts)
21. ERMAGERD! CHINA!!!!1
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:18 PM
Sep 2013

THE CHINESE ARE COMING!!! THEYR GONNA POISON US!!!!!

Now, judging by the previous track records (baby formula, dog food, toys with lead paint, etc.), it is a real possibility there could be a problem. I understand.

I think I'll wait until they start testing the end product and until someone in the U.S. actually agrees to serve it in my area (McShit, Booger King, et al) before completely losing my mind over this. We need to learn more, though. Like who exactly will buy this crap, where will it be sold, etc.

BUT IN THE MEAN TIME, the companies buying chicken (once we figure out who the hell wants to do that) need to be the targets of a thorough letter writing campaign demanding for high standards, even if they are the Apple-Foxconn standards (which are better than the current nothing, I suppose). I think an ounce of prevention is worth 800,000 pre-slaughtered chickens of cure.

progressoid

(49,990 posts)
32. You won't know if they are serving it.
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:59 PM
Sep 2013

From the article:

because the birds will be processed, the USDA will not require point-of-origin labeling (under USDA rules, foods that have been cooked aren’t subject to point-of-origin labeling). In other words: Consumers will have no way to tell if those chicken nuggets in the supermarket freezer were processed in the U.S. or in China.


cprise

(8,445 posts)
48. "an ounce of prevention"
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:18 PM
Sep 2013

...would entail heading the problem off at the pass. And we're not going to give a pass to Chinese food processing.

This isn't computers and phones we are talking about -- no one here eats them.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
23. plus plastic-tainted milk, plus lead-tainted rice...
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:21 PM
Sep 2013

It's so bad that chinese parents rather use expensive, imported, european milk-powder to bottle-feed their infants than take a risk with a cheap chinese product.

jsr

(7,712 posts)
26. "Consumers will have no way to tell if those chicken nuggets were processed in China."
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:36 PM
Sep 2013

The TRANSPARENCY is awesome.

 

Demo_Chris

(6,234 posts)
27. It's cheaper to ship it across the Pacific TWICE rather than meet safety regulations here...
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:37 PM
Sep 2013

And that's saying something.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
34. Just part of the the WTO trade agreements developed by neocons in the Raygun administration.
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 03:09 PM
Sep 2013

Get ready for even more.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
44. And pushed by the likes...
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:11 PM
Sep 2013

of Clinton (NAFTA) and Obama (TPP). But don't worry, Hillary (former board member of Walmart) will be different.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
66. NAFTA was already signed off by daddy bush
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 07:46 PM
Sep 2013

But there is no reason for Obama to be pushing the TPP.

Bashing Hillary for the sake of bashing is kind of churlish.

But this all started with the likes of Raygun's Neocons.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
68. Clinton could have stood on principle...
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 10:51 PM
Sep 2013

and veto'ed, but chose not to. And how is pointing out the fact that Hillary was a board member of Walmart bashing? It is fact- do with it what you will.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
45. File this one under 'Labor'
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:12 PM
Sep 2013

So they want to escape labor standards in the US. But we're supposed to believe that environmental and food safety standards are somehow unrelated to the process of off-shoring and anti-labor mindset.

On second thought, also file this under "globalization vs the American people".

 

NutjobMichele

(14 posts)
53. Labor prices are cheaper, but the real profit comes from
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:41 PM
Sep 2013

The pressboard process which uses every meat, and not-quite-meat, portion of the animal.
The ability to add fillers into the meat, after all without inspectors who is to say what made it into the machine today
and BONUS... The occasional 3rd drumstick we can expect from random mutant poultry.

Don't forget that there were 900+ people involved in the Great Mutton Caper

One suspect, named Wei, earned more than £1m over the past four years by purchasing fox, mink and rat meat, treating it with gelatin, carmine (a colour produced from ground beetles) and nitrate, then selling it as mutton at farmers' markets in Jiangsu province and Shanghai


Clue, beware of the McNugget has a long and winding tail.
 

MotherPetrie

(3,145 posts)
57. More poison from China - compliments of the Obama administration.
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:50 PM
Sep 2013

Sure glad I don't eat chicken nuggets!

dhol82

(9,353 posts)
61. how about
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 05:17 PM
Sep 2013

we agitate to have this crap served at the congressional canteen? make the legislators eat it since they think it's so wholesome.

sheesh!

life long demo

(1,113 posts)
63. What is going on with the OK of food shipped from China?
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 06:03 PM
Sep 2013

I know I've take steps to check where different foods, fruits, jucies come from whether on the package of I investigate on the internet. Maybe the Chinese can handle all the garbage they put in their food, but I don't want any part of it. I have absolutely no faith or trust in any foods coming from there.

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
67. I saw some Alaskan Cod on sale
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 08:11 PM
Sep 2013

at the local store and wondered why it was so cheap. In tiny print on the bottom of the backside of the package, I found the answer - processed in China. I set it back down and moved on.

 

Beausoir

(7,540 posts)
69. Well Duh. It's cheaper that way. Read below.
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 11:41 PM
Sep 2013
http://www.amazon.com/Ninety-Percent-Everything-Invisible-ebook/dp/B009LRWJKW

A decent new book that calculates shipping cost by sea.

It's actually cheaper for fisheries in Scotland to catch salmon, ship it frozen to China to be filleted and then ship it back to Scotland for sale than it is to pay local labor to fillet the same fish.

Due to the enormous payload that modern ships can carry, it is vastly cheaper to ship the foodstuffs to cheap labor countries for processing.

grillo7

(284 posts)
71. I don't know how much more of this I can take...
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 12:53 AM
Sep 2013

I used to read headlines like this when Bush was in office and think "Hold on, it's almost 2008...". But here I am, in Obama's second term, and we're still blatantly creating bad policies that maximize corporate profits at the expense of the health and safety of the public. Bravo! :/

Response to cynatnite (Original post)

CrispyQ

(36,464 posts)
82. We've lost our collective mind.
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 12:11 PM
Sep 2013

Seriously, as a collective, we behave like a bunch of fuckin' teabaggers. It's time for nature to throw the human species into the dustbin of failed experiments.

DrewFlorida

(1,096 posts)
83. This is a serious problem, China's lack of regulation presents a huge threat to food safety.
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 01:21 PM
Sep 2013

I would not eat any food product which was handled by a Chinese manufacturer.

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