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Would you willingly eat chicken nuggets processed in a country that has no intention of meeting U.S. food-safety standards? Most Americans likely wouldn't.
That may explain why the U.S. Department of Agriculture waited until Friday -- the day before a long holiday weekend -- to announce that it had ended a ban on Chinese chicken imports by approving four Chinese poultry processors to ship processed ("heat-treated/cooked" chicken to the U.S. The report on the approved poultry plants noted that the audit set out to to determine whether the People's Republic of China's (PRC) food safety system governing poultry processing remains equivalent to that of the United States (U.S.), with the ability to produce products that are safe, wholesome, unadulterated, and properly labeled." Needless to say, the Chinese plants passed.
Initially, at least, the chickens will be slaughtered in the U.S. (or another nation that's allowed to export slaughtered chicken to the U.S.), then shipped to China for processing and re-export. Thats the good news. The bad news is that, according to the New York Times, no USDA inspectors will be present in the Chinese processing plants (despite the fact that China has never before been allowed to export chicken to the U.S.), thus offering consumers no guarantees where the processed chickens were in fact slaughtered. Even worse, because the birds will be processed, the USDA will not require point-of-origin labeling (under USDA rules, foods that have been cooked arent subject to point-of-origin labeling). In other words: Consumers will have no way to tell if those chicken nuggets in the supermarket freezer were processed in the U.S. or in China.
Thats a big problem. For more than a decade, China has earned a reputation as one of the worlds worst food-safety offenders. In just the last year, consumers have been confronted with a bird flu outbreak, news of sales of 46-year-old chicken feet and reports of poisonous fake mutton. These are not isolated incidents, but rather the most spectacular instances of a crisis that has become so severe that some consumers now smuggle quantities of infant milk formula from foreign countries into China so as to avoid buying potentially tainted Chinese dairy products.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-03/don-t-trust-a-chicken-nugget-that-s-visited-china.html
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)Will that be labeled Made in the USA?
Bennyboy
(10,440 posts)????????????????????????????
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)...now this...
As an aside...they can afford to ship dead chickens' overseas and then re-import them, but they can't pay a living wage to the folks that sell this toxic shit here?
Harmony Blue
(3,978 posts)The disconnect is real and frightening.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)...to more of this exact type of behaviour..
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)than any chicken processed in China.
sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)stuff whenever I can but I try damned hard to be sure that I never buy food made in China.
Ever since the melamine insanity of a few years back I look pretty hard to make sure I'm not ingesting or letting my kids ingest Chinese food.
arikara
(5,562 posts)is to buy all food ingredients from local sources yourself. Because manufacturers can source all their ingredients out of China and mix it up here and call it made in the USA... or here, made in Canada.
And they do that.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)I'm always nervous of products that don't bother to tell you where they're made. Food especially scares me, the little candies that you find a dollar stores and the like we try to avoid.
Fortunately I'm able to source most of our food fairly locally and I realize that I'm one of the lucky ones in that.
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)What are the drivers?
The meat would most likely spoil in transport let alone whatever it will be exposed to in China.
This is what an unregulated America looks like and where the republicans want to take the country!
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Arkansas Granny
(31,516 posts)No, thank you. I'll just look for mine fresh at the market or do without.
progressoid
(49,990 posts)liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)Sammy here we come!
Arkansas Granny
(31,516 posts)progressoid
(49,990 posts)kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Arkansas Granny
(31,516 posts)will be done under strict, sanitary conditions, right? Right?
Larkspur
(12,804 posts)The Chinese don't have to invade us. They just have to poison us with their crappy processed food.
Maybe it's time to boycott all frozen chicken.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)It's a "processed chicken food item" which tells you right there that it isn't really chicken but some approximation.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)in the first place, no matter where they are made. That's a disgusting food item, right there, and I've willingly eaten pork rinds before. If you are going to eat chicken, eat recognizable chicken or cook it yourself. Don't eat shit that has to be labeled as a "food item" in order to be recognized as food. "Fried processed chicken food item". If you have to inform me that it is food, it really isn't.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)never have been tempted to buy cheese food....just the thought of eating it makes me go all woozy.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)When Chinese "regulations" for food safety, enviromental standards, and worker protections, will take precedence over any US laws and regulations.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)there will be a label of some sort, because a "____ food" isn't really food, just approximating the fact that it is food.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Although the country of origin matters little, if all countries adopt the regulations of the least-regulated country. That is the gist of the TPP.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)truebrit71
(20,805 posts)sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)from the article:
Even worse, because the birds will be processed, the USDA will not require point-of-origin labeling (under USDA rules, foods that have been cooked arent subject to point-of-origin labeling). In other words: Consumers will have no way to tell if those chicken nuggets in the supermarket freezer were processed in the U.S. or in China.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Burning more fuel, more pollution, and no oversight. To what end???
progressoid
(49,990 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)for the people who really run this country.
JHB
(37,160 posts)...which would be holding companies that own controlling shares of meatpacking companies.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)The ships that bring stuff from China go back to China. Whether they are empty or not depends on whether anyone wants to put anything in them.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)and during that time, our export department gradually shrank down to one corner of one floor, while import ended up with a whole floor to itself. Aside from empty containers, the only things we exported were waste paper and synthetic resin.
then, after years of Walmart and the Gap muscling us on prices, my department shrank too, and I got laid off
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)City Lights
(25,171 posts)NOT!
sinkingfeeling
(51,457 posts)than having a processing plant in the US?
City Lights
(25,171 posts)bobclark86
(1,415 posts)THE CHINESE ARE COMING!!! THEYR GONNA POISON US!!!!!
Now, judging by the previous track records (baby formula, dog food, toys with lead paint, etc.), it is a real possibility there could be a problem. I understand.
I think I'll wait until they start testing the end product and until someone in the U.S. actually agrees to serve it in my area (McShit, Booger King, et al) before completely losing my mind over this. We need to learn more, though. Like who exactly will buy this crap, where will it be sold, etc.
BUT IN THE MEAN TIME, the companies buying chicken (once we figure out who the hell wants to do that) need to be the targets of a thorough letter writing campaign demanding for high standards, even if they are the Apple-Foxconn standards (which are better than the current nothing, I suppose). I think an ounce of prevention is worth 800,000 pre-slaughtered chickens of cure.
progressoid
(49,990 posts)From the article:
because the birds will be processed, the USDA will not require point-of-origin labeling (under USDA rules, foods that have been cooked arent subject to point-of-origin labeling). In other words: Consumers will have no way to tell if those chicken nuggets in the supermarket freezer were processed in the U.S. or in China.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)do you think they give a flip about ours?
cprise
(8,445 posts)...would entail heading the problem off at the pass. And we're not going to give a pass to Chinese food processing.
This isn't computers and phones we are talking about -- no one here eats them.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)It's so bad that chinese parents rather use expensive, imported, european milk-powder to bottle-feed their infants than take a risk with a cheap chinese product.
Happyhippychick
(8,379 posts)LuvNewcastle
(16,846 posts)jsr
(7,712 posts)The TRANSPARENCY is awesome.
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)And that's saying something.
Blue Owl
(50,373 posts)n/t
fasttense
(17,301 posts)Get ready for even more.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)of Clinton (NAFTA) and Obama (TPP). But don't worry, Hillary (former board member of Walmart) will be different.
Doremus
(7,261 posts)fasttense
(17,301 posts)But there is no reason for Obama to be pushing the TPP.
Bashing Hillary for the sake of bashing is kind of churlish.
But this all started with the likes of Raygun's Neocons.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)and veto'ed, but chose not to. And how is pointing out the fact that Hillary was a board member of Walmart bashing? It is fact- do with it what you will.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)real ingredients.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)hunter
(38,311 posts)http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/gallery/2011/sep/16/edible-insects-arachnids-in-pictures
Most especially "factory farm" chicken shipped twice across the pacific.
cprise
(8,445 posts)So they want to escape labor standards in the US. But we're supposed to believe that environmental and food safety standards are somehow unrelated to the process of off-shoring and anti-labor mindset.
On second thought, also file this under "globalization vs the American people".
LongTomH
(8,636 posts)xfundy
(5,105 posts)crimes against humanity. As well as treason.
cvoogt
(949 posts)"Sort of" replied the McNugget
florida08
(4,106 posts)The globalist are just laughing at us now How do I get out of this chicken outfit
KansDem
(28,498 posts)NutjobMichele
(14 posts)The pressboard process which uses every meat, and not-quite-meat, portion of the animal.
The ability to add fillers into the meat, after all without inspectors who is to say what made it into the machine today
and BONUS... The occasional 3rd drumstick we can expect from random mutant poultry.
Don't forget that there were 900+ people involved in the Great Mutton Caper
One suspect, named Wei, earned more than £1m over the past four years by purchasing fox, mink and rat meat, treating it with gelatin, carmine (a colour produced from ground beetles) and nitrate, then selling it as mutton at farmers' markets in Jiangsu province and Shanghai
Clue, beware of the McNugget has a long and winding tail.
MotherPetrie
(3,145 posts)Sure glad I don't eat chicken nuggets!
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)K&R
dhol82
(9,353 posts)we agitate to have this crap served at the congressional canteen? make the legislators eat it since they think it's so wholesome.
sheesh!
Benton D Struckcheon
(2,347 posts)Further comment would be superfluous.
life long demo
(1,113 posts)I know I've take steps to check where different foods, fruits, jucies come from whether on the package of I investigate on the internet. Maybe the Chinese can handle all the garbage they put in their food, but I don't want any part of it. I have absolutely no faith or trust in any foods coming from there.
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)at the local store and wondered why it was so cheap. In tiny print on the bottom of the backside of the package, I found the answer - processed in China. I set it back down and moved on.
Beausoir
(7,540 posts)A decent new book that calculates shipping cost by sea.
It's actually cheaper for fisheries in Scotland to catch salmon, ship it frozen to China to be filleted and then ship it back to Scotland for sale than it is to pay local labor to fillet the same fish.
Due to the enormous payload that modern ships can carry, it is vastly cheaper to ship the foodstuffs to cheap labor countries for processing.
Change has come
(2,372 posts)We rarely eat chicken anymore. I'm comfortable not ever having it again. Just No.
grillo7
(284 posts)I used to read headlines like this when Bush was in office and think "Hold on, it's almost 2008...". But here I am, in Obama's second term, and we're still blatantly creating bad policies that maximize corporate profits at the expense of the health and safety of the public. Bravo! :/
upi402
(16,854 posts)forfucksake... can't be real.
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)Berlum
(7,044 posts)Response to cynatnite (Original post)
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CrispyQ
(36,464 posts)Seriously, as a collective, we behave like a bunch of fuckin' teabaggers. It's time for nature to throw the human species into the dustbin of failed experiments.
DrewFlorida
(1,096 posts)I would not eat any food product which was handled by a Chinese manufacturer.
WCGreen
(45,558 posts)Especially after hearing about this.