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The investigators found one brain area linked to attention skills that differed between exposed and nonexposed children, but they could not find any clinically significant effect on behavioral tests of attention skills.
Drug use did not differ between the exposed and nonexposed participants as young adults. About 42 percent used marijuana and three tested positive for cocaine one time each.
The team has kept tabs on 110 of the 224 children originally in the study. Of the 110, two are dead - one shot in a bar and another in a drive-by shooting - three are in prison, six graduated from college, and six more are on track to graduate. There have been 60 children born to the 110 participants.
The years of tracking kids have led Hurt to a conclusion she didn't see coming.
"Poverty is a more powerful influence on the outcome of inner-city children than gestational exposure to cocaine," Hurt said at her May lecture.
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http://articles.philly.com/2013-07-22/news/40709969_1_hallam-hurt-so-called-crack-babies-funded-study
Hekate
(90,681 posts)"Poverty is a more powerful influence on the outcome of inner-city children than gestational exposure to cocaine," Hurt said at her May lecture.
We still need to end the War on Drugs and get back to the War on Poverty, don't we?
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)your study, well, aren't you skewing the odds?
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)to not include them in the research.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Preemies against other preemies then.
That would tell us something. Maybe they are cognitively no worse off than all those expensive fertility twins. THAT would be interesting to know too.
But this is a different study- one that shatters some widely held prejudices- which is always a very good thing.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)harm to the fetus.
Choosing the exclusion of such a population of infants makes me wonder, why?
The sad thing is that of course, alcohol seems to be a far more dangerous, and more widely-used drug than crack ever was.
Warpy
(111,255 posts)They've known since the mid 90s that the whole "crack baby" canard was a fabrication of the drug warriors and that any negative effects on those children was from poverty, not drugs.
I'm pleased to see another propaganda leg kicked out from under the DEA. I'm also pleased to see the effects of poverty so clearly defined.
Cerridwen
(13,258 posts)women in poverty specifically.
The "War on Poverty" is far more dangerous to those of us in the US than any wot could ever be. Combine it with the War on Women; all that's needed is a little "war on drugs." A "trifecta" of justification for treating the populace as criminals.
Oh yeah, not surprised.
mercuryblues
(14,531 posts)when I started reading this. If pverty is more detrimental to a child's well being than crack, the republicans will make it a felony for getting pregnant while poor.
Butterbean
(1,014 posts)I will, however, point out that she studied only full term or near term infants, not preemies. When I worked in the NICU (I now work on the other end, L&D), we had tons of micropreemies who were crack babies. Lots of 24-26 weekers. I wonder if the results would be different if she had included those babies as well?
At any rate, sad but interesting data.
Warpy
(111,255 posts)preemies, the studies would have likely turned out the same.
It's incredibly distressing to see addicted babies for the first 48 hours after birth. I can see why people thought there would be no way for those children to have normal intelligence and normal lives.
But they did.
Butterbean
(1,014 posts)They scream for a few weeks. Our nursery has had a rash of addicted babies recently; our latest was a meth baby. She screamed for 3 weeks, we took turns holding her (yes, even the L&D nurses...when we didn't have patients we'd go to the nursery and relieve the nursery nurses).
I'm glad the coke babies turn out okay despite the coke, that's heartening to see. Not glad to see the stats about child poverty of course.
Warpy
(111,255 posts)Meth might be something else, entirely. It's an incredibly harsh drug, aging people from the inside out at light speed. I can't believe that one isn't toxic to the fetus.
Butterbean
(1,014 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)are only watching 110 of them....what happened to the rest?
Cerridwen
(13,258 posts)I worked with a lot of people who appeared as you do. A lot of questions. Not one answer. It was almost as if their job was to cast doubt on anything that didn't fit the status quo.
I'm sure you're not one of those people so I look forward to seeing you answer that question.
Thanks in advance.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)moniker as about as useful as "welfare queen" and just as fictional, but if one is going to do a scientific study, shouldn't one have answers to scientific questions?
Why only study full term and near to term babies? What happened to over half the participants? I think these are legitimate questions that can be asked while acknowledging that the term "crack baby" is a product of particular agenda.
Cerridwen
(13,258 posts)questions to have a basis in fact. Doesn't "one?"
It wasn't that difficult of a request. Provide "ones" justification for "ones" doubt.
If "one" truly questioned the results, "one" might provide justification for "ones" doubts.
The ubiquitous use of "ones" "questions" has been shown to be a way to cast into doubt scientific evidence swallowed by the less questioning "ones."
I don't fit the later. Perhaps you fit the former? Show your work and prove you're of the later.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)viewpoint, methinks.
A cat may look at a king, mightn't one?
Cerridwen
(13,258 posts)Those of us who think otherwise pick up the weapons of authoritarianism and aim toward the authoritarians.
It's very difficult to see for the status quo supporting DUers as they see that which they use as the "norm" by which they judge themselves.
You want to play word twists in which the bullies claim bullying? That's boring. I've done that with bullies and republicans and "conservatives" my entire life. Oh yeah, I'm so biased against it that I recognize the bias of those who support bullying.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)being bullied.
7962
(11,841 posts)Some folks on this site just amaze me.
I'm still trying to figure out what the hell was so wrong with your very understandable question.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)I would prefer accusations to be made with more clarity.
Chellee
(2,096 posts)From the article:
"Hurt's study enrolled only full-term babies so the possible effects of prematurity did not skew the results."
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Chellee
(2,096 posts)is that more than two decades ago a group of researchers wanted to prove that cocaine exposure wouldn't ruin a child for life. So they cherry-picked participants to fit that conclusion by eliminating premature births?
And the studies from Atlanta and Boston that mirror these results are...cohorts?
I'm not trying to be difficult, I simply don't understand why you believe the study is so flawed. It seems to me that the researchers wanted to study the effects of crack only, so they eliminated factors, like prematurity, that would exacerbate problems.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)"cocaine exposure wouldn't ruin a child for life." Scientific studies collect data, and interpret the results.
I think it's interesting that the study started off with 224 participants and ended with 110. Maybe those were the preemies that got lopped off.
I don't think anything nefarious is going on on the part of the researchers....I think the "crack baby" panic was as fictional and as agenda driven as the whole "welfare queen" meme was. But scientists aren't perfect, and I think it's always a good idea to question what we are told is the narrative.
Chellee
(2,096 posts)It couldn't be, because they weren't in the study to begin with.
And when you have people voluntarily coming in for more than 23 years, you're going to lose some participants. I think that's to be expected, and that they would have factored in the... shrinkage, I guess you could call it?
I agree we should look at studies with a critical eye, but that doesn't automatically make every conclusion suspect.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)So it would be very difficult to isolate those from any crack induced ones. Of course a separate study could look for crack related premature births.
If you are dead set on keeping the crack baby myth alive, perhaps you should conduct such a study. Who knows where the data might go?
Chellee
(2,096 posts)I'm sorry, I should have used quotation marks when I was restating msanthrope's question.
Mariana
(14,856 posts)So, they started with 112 affected children. Two are dead. That leaves 110.
Hekate
(90,681 posts)However, they framed their study appropriately, used a control group, and afaict did their best to use research tools honestly. Other studies have backed them up. Drugs/alcohol/tobacco are not good for babies --that we can all agree on. But "the "crack baby" label led to erroneous stereotyping. "You can't walk into a classroom and tell this kid was exposed and this kid was not."
http://articles.philly.com/2013-07-22/news/40709969_1_hallam-hurt-so-called-crack-babies-funded-study
Hurt's study enrolled only full-term babies so the possible effects of prematurity did not skew the results. The babies were then evaluated periodically, beginning at six months and then every six or 12 months on through young adulthood. Their mothers agreed to be tested for drug use throughout the study.
The researchers consistently found no significant differences between the cocaine-exposed children and the controls. ... When it came to school readiness at age 6, about 25 percent of children in each group scored in the abnormal range on tests for math and letter and word recognition.
"We went looking for the effects of cocaine," Hurt said. But after a time "we began to ask, 'Was there something else going on?' "
While the cocaine-exposed children and a group of nonexposed controls performed about the same on tests, both groups lagged on developmental and intellectual measures compared to the norm. Hurt and her team began to think the "something else" was poverty.
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Other researchers also couldn't find any devastating effects from cocaine exposure in the womb. Claire Coles, a psychiatry professor at Emory University, has been tracking a group of low-income Atlanta children. Her work has found that cocaine exposure does not seem to affect children's overall cognition and school performance, but some evidence suggests that these children are less able to regulate their reactions to stressful stimuli, which could affect learning and emotional health.
Coles said her research had found nothing to back up predictions that cocaine-exposed babies were doomed for life. "As a society we say, 'Cocaine is bad and therefore it must cause damage to babies,' " Coles said. "When you have a myth, it tends to linger for a long time."
Deborah A. Frank, a pediatrics professor at Boston University who has tracked a similar group of children, said the "crack baby" label led to erroneous stereotyping. "You can't walk into a classroom and tell this kid was exposed and this kid was not," Frank said. "Unfortunately, there are so many factors that affect poor kids. They have to deal with so much stress and deprivation. We have also found that exposure to violence is a huge factor."
Frank said that cocaine - along with other illicit drugs, alcohol, and cigarettes - "isn't good for babies," but the belief that they would "grow up to be addicts and criminals is not true. Some kids have stunned us with how well they've done."
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)is how you take a study of "crack babies" and eliminate the preemies? Wouldn't full term suggest a limited...or more limited exposure to crack cocaine?
Hekate
(90,681 posts)What my mother's generation would have mourned as a miscarriage (and there were many more than we acknowledge, really) now ends up in the NICU being kept alive at all costs. They come from all sorts of backgrounds, and oddly, increased use of fertility treatments is one factor in the spike in premature births. People paying through the nose for fertility treatments often choose to have twins, even triplets, and on occasion more because they can't bring themselves to selectively reduce what they sought so hard to achieve. Multiples are, more often than not, premature. For the rest of the maternal population, poor diet and access to prenatal care account for some of it too, and the US is bad at both.
You are right, though, that preemies are more likely to have compromised health even after they go home -- sometimes forever.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)fertility-treatment spike. I think the control for gestational age might have been necessary but doesn't answer the questions about what happened to pre-term children? Drug use is a significant risk factor for pre-term delivery, so why eliminate the study of preemies?
What I would be interested in seeing is this--what was the level of exposure to 'crack' cocaine in these children as opposed to children who did not reach term and what were those outcomes, comparatively?
Hekate
(90,681 posts)... to know why we have so many and how to bring the numbers down, and I am sure you can find their studies. I've only given you my educated guess on the subject.
"Level of exposure" might be hard to determine, except what a blood test shows at birth. The mother herself might be what is known as an unreliable witness on the subject, for obvious reasons.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)at birth, and perhaps testing during pregnancy, you would not have an accurate measure. Nor could you really account for co-factors--of which, alcohol use is far more dangerous.
Warpy
(111,255 posts)That's the easiest explanation, along with parents flaking out on continuing the study after their kids were tested as normal time after time.
Supersedeas
(20,630 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)knowledge is that the more we learn, the more we come to discover how little we know about things we thought we understood.
surrealAmerican
(11,360 posts)We need to address poverty in this country to make any real progress.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)To bad the 'drug warriors' will pull her funding.
nikto
(3,284 posts)How can mucho money be made off of these findings?
If none can, then they must be invalidated to find a more profitable an$wer.
It's The American Way, these days.
nikto
(3,284 posts)"Poverty is a more powerful influence on the outcome of inner-city children than gestational exposure to cocaine,"
is like a declaration of war against Conservatism and neo-liberalism.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)At least, about educational outcomes, and those affect the rest of their lives.
Yet, the reform movement is all about bad teachers, bad schools, high-stakes testing, and privatization.
Then there's this:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/09/05/fox-news-guest-thats-a-teaching-moment-when-hungry-students-dont-get-school-lunches/
bemildred
(90,061 posts)ck4829
(35,076 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)..to be nowhere NEAR the Problem of Fetal Alcohol Syndrome.
There is where we find continuing horrors.