If Pres. Obama is a tool of PNAC and the MIC, why did they try so hard to keep him out of office...

[brooklynite]

twice?

I can understand opposing military action because you're against military action. But the projection of the President's "real" motives and the suggestion that there's really no difference between him and the Republicans really escapes me.

[JoePhilly]

1. To trick us into thinking he's NOT a party to the evil plan, naturally.

After he was born in Kenya, they indoctrinate him. And that's why we know so little about his childhood, or his grades in college.

See, TPTB created him. But they don't want us to know that they created him. So they pretend to oppose him, while working behind the scenes to advance their evil agenda through him.

George Orwell and Nostradamus both predicted it.

[FreakinDJ]

11. They didn't - Wall St financed him

[JoePhilly]

12. I was very confident that some one would agree with my

theory.

[Scuba]

2. There's bigger tools out there, for sure.

[Tippy]

3. They just throw shit out there to see how much sticks.

They fear him most because they know he is a smart black man..

[Vinnie From Indy]

4. I take it you are not a student of the techniques of the confidence men

Deception and misdirection are two of the main tools of the con.

[kelliekat44]

5. One thing the PNACers don't want to see is just what Obama did: call for a vote

If Congress bows to the will of their constituents PNAC is weakened and the MIC too. Obama can beat them with "democracy." That's why they are doing everything they can to oppress the vote and to keep people from voting all over the country. One has to look beyond the smoke to the charred landscape.

[Harmony Blue]

6. It is a win win regarding who enters the WH

Bilderberg meetings tend to be where collusion takes place like Capital Strike but since most of the 99% are not privy to what is discussed I guess we can pretend they play poker at this meeting instead.

[MotherPetrie]

7. For me the question is, if he's NOT, why is he acting like he is?

[Harmony Blue]

8. Well said +1

He doesn't have to win any more votes as his 2nd term is secure. He is what he is and accept this positions at face value.

[Little Star]

9. Bingo. Good question.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

43. Exactly. Remember WW II when we had 2 Democratic Presidents who actually wanted to end a war?

1941 - Japan bombed Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941

1945 - Japan formally surrendered on September 2, 1945, shortly after the Germans surrendered on May 7, 1945.

While we have homeless people starving on the streets of Detroit and elsewhere in our own country, we now have endless optional wars in the Middle-East. Iran is probably next.

[SammyWinstonJack]

46. !

[SidDithers]

10. DU rec...

Inb4 the sputtering and flying spittle.

Sid

[hobbit709]

13. I refer you to this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023597504

[great white snark]

14. The third party panderers want..nay..NEED to push false equivalencies.

It's great for recruitment plus it gives them a (false) sense of superiority.

[cali]

15. I think it's futile to project motive and it doesn't make any difference

to me if his motives are as pure as the driven snow.

[woo me with science]

16. It's a wee bit late to be arguing about *whether* he is.

We are well past that, at the point of trying to deal with all the predatory corporate assaults.

[bigtree]

17. I don't sense that he's bought into the admonitions about that bunch

. . . he seems to mingle freely, in and out, of that cabal of neo-conservatives when it suits one autocratic purpose of his administration or the other.

Not a revelation, really, as he's taken pains to retain many of the engineers and architects of PNAC's infiltration into the government and defense during the Bush era.


But, crap, that's not really a serious question. Why would they want to split the difference between a true devotee to their agenda and an occasional one?

[treestar]

18. That kind of CT rant

is just lazy thinking and avoidance of the fact that a great number of voters are not far left wing liberals who would never be in favor of any war no matter what had happened.

Rather than convince other voters, just complain that they are mindless and that the "MIC" or the "one percent" simply control them all.

[tridim]

19. Neo-DU doesn't care a lick about the answer.

They have spoken, loudly, which is all that matters. The truth? Not even on the radar. Their massive and laughable delusions are now recorded on DU's servers forever and their dire, worst-case predictions RE: Syria will crash and burn.

They will pretend they never said anything about comparing everything to Iraq and Bush and Pearl Harbor.. Then they will move on to the next bullshit pout session. Rinse, lather, repeat.

Obama works for the American People. See the ACA and DOMA, et al.

[Number23]

28. + a million

The fact that there are people here still talking about the Chained CPI that Obama proposed to Congress says all you need to know about the motives and ability to process information of many of this web site's loudest, most prolific and most "popular" posters.

I have truly lost count of the number of issues that have been completely mangled, distorted and misrepresented here. No issue is too big, too small or too important for the GD Squatters to crap on for reasons that the rest of us will never understand. This has become DU's unfortunate but most genuine legacy.

[SidDithers]

31. Nailed it...

Sid

[Dragonfli]

39. Truth is complicated, he like most modern politicians "works for" many bosses, each with a differing

level of influence and volume of "speech", the volume is determined of course by the amount, for "speech" as we all know, to the ears of modern politicians (and as recognized by SCOTUS) IS money and not sound. There are often collaborations that join their cash voices in a chorus that sings the harmony of the bills their lobbyists or think tanks like the Heritage Foundation write for them, their employees simply sanctify and then sign what their cash bosses have prepared for them.

A good example of how this works was put forward by you, the ACA was a piece of work done for a chorus mostly comprised of Insurance Companies and Pharmaceutical giants and written by the Heritage Foundation.

He did that work for them, forcing all of us to buy a defective product designed by the insurance companies to deter people from seeking/getting care using cost to the consumer at point of service (co=pays many can not fit in a budget) among other methods that include outright refusal to pay. Yet they still recieve a handsome premium regularly regardless of whether they allow you past their gate and into the doctors office or not.

Of course pharma got their money's worth by ensuring that there will be no negotiations aimed towards a fair price for their products, but rather coded into their law the highest figure they decree should be paid, usually hundreds of times and often thousands of times their cost to produce their product.

Had he worked toward Health CARE similar to say what Canada has, he would have been working for the people, by working towards the Heritage Foundations insurance scam instead, he was doing that work for corporations, which contrary to the opinion of conservatives like Obama, are not people, no sir, no heart and no blood equals not a person, no matter the spin.

So you see, the idea he works for the people is not very accurate and Santa Claus does not actually stuff your stockings at Christmas time, your mommy does.

[Vinnie From Indy]

57. +1

Great post!

The ACA legislation is a monument to the long con. Obama would campaign long and loud about wanting, at first, single payer and then a public option KNOWING he would never be presented with such a bill from Congress. That was the secret deal with big pharma and big insurance to help him get his first presidential win. When the ACA passed, champagne corks were popping in health insurance company boardrooms across America. These businesses survived an existential threat to their obscene profits.

Cheers!

[Bluenorthwest]

21. Did they? I'm not part of their circle, so I don't know that your testimony is correct.

I can tell you this, the entire question is absurd. The President claims to be a Pragmatist so I judge him according to his actions, the only observable proof of that which 'is' being the actions taken. Are his actions in accord with those who like war? To some extent, absolutely. So labels and rhetoric are meaningless next to actions.
Of course on other days the President claims to be a devoted Christian, and I could on those days judge him according to that set of teachings, which says 'live by war, die by war' and declares that anyone who harms or mistreats anyone else is harming or mistreating Jesus himself. According to Jesus, he is the prisoner in Gitmo with the feeding tube.
So is this phase 'Pragmatist Obama' or 'Devout Man of Faith Obama'?

[Myrina]

22. Who says they did?

Kabuki theatre is indeed an interesting thing.

The GOP & their candidates are pretty much about one thing: makin' money.
The best way to make that cash is to gin up your followers into such a blind frenzy that they sign over the farm.
And the best way to do that is to make it look like the other candidate is a baby-killin, crack smokin' Communist straight from Hell itself. Or Kenya, in this case.
So your cronies are rakin' in the cash, your base is oblivious to the fact that you're using them for cash and cash alone, and your horse wins regardless, because you actually own the entire stable.

[FarCenter]

23. The MIC wouldn't let anyone into the Presidency that they didn't have the goods on.

The PNAC/neocons liberal counterpart supported Obama.

[geek tragedy]

24. What many at DU don't understand is those with good intentions are more dangerous

than the crassly self-serving in many cases.

[marmar]

25. The contemporary office of the President of the United States is a tool of PNAC and MIC.....

...... doesn't matter whose name is on the door of the Oval Office.

[CoffeeCat]

61. Yes, and the president is told...

...exactly what will go down, and how it will go down. Just read the PNAC plan, which they authored and so graciously posted on their web page. It spells out that they want US control of the Middle East. They identify Iraq as the entry point. Iran, Syria and Lebanon are openly discussed and are on their list of targets.

Obama spoke out against going to war with Iraq. He was one of the lone voices against it. Are we supposed to believe that he thought Iraq was "dumb", but he now thinks Bombing Syria is brilliant?

They're telling him what will happen. It's his job to sell it to the sheep, but guess what? We ain't buying it. Taking it to Vongress was Obama's 'F you mother f'ers. You force me to leverage your crazy, then I'm hanging this sack of crap around all of your necks."

Keep calling your elected representatives. Do it daily.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

26. Why is he alligning himself with their policies now?

[agent46]

27. Better to install a fellow ideologue

Better to install a fellow ideologue and have full cooperation than have to threaten, bribe and coerce an outsider into compliance. This isn't conspiracy theory. It's how the world works.

PNAC is still in full sway...until it isn't. It's always interesting when Cheney or Rumsfeld stick their heads out from under their rocks and use the public media to "send a message" to Obama.

The good news is this could be a turning point.

[leftstreet]

29. LOL! Yeah they used their powerful weapon: McCain

And when that didn't work: Romney

LOL our overlords practically handed Obama both terms

[jsr]

30. Precisely.

[Hydra]

32. This is what I was going to say

They threw both elections. Mitt Romney wasn't smart enough to realize he was Bob Dole again.

President Obama has revived the Repub party and brand. It may be too early to roll out another Bush this coming election...or maybe not?

[leftstreet]

35. After 4 years of Hillary, the GOP will be washed cleaned

Most likely

[Hydra]

38. That sounds right

I almost though they could have a Bush this coming election...but the bitter aftertaste of Iraq that we just saw rise with the Syria drums tells me it's too soon.

Frankly, I'm proud to see so many people say "enough...no more."

[woo me with science]

47. Me, too.

I've been pleasantly surprised at the breadth and ferocity of the backlash.

It's almost hope.

[Hutzpa]

34. You know

not everyone will get your but I like it.

[woo me with science]

37. Yes, and Palin, too.

So formidable, it's a miracle Obama made it to the White House.

I hate sarcasm tags.

[Hutzpa]

33. Some of these stuff should not even be entertained

Anyone that thinks that is a fu*&^%ng idiot.

[The Link]

36. I'd rather use the correct size wrench to do a job...but a pair of pliers works too.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

42. Only if you want to round out your nuts.

[malthaussen]

40. Because the other guy was an even better tool. n/t

[polichick]

44. They like white tools better.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

45. Don't you know this is all six dimensional chess?

He needs to trick the Republicans into voting against an airstrike so when he does it anyway they can start screaming "impeachment" and since Obama is so loved that hysteria will surely cause the Republicans to lose the House.

Right?

[Zorra]

48. They need to maintain the illusion of democracy in America.

Obama is better than a republican on social issues, for sure, so there is a difference, but...

The global power of the financial centers is so great, that they can afford not to worry about the political tendency of those who hold power in a nation, if the economic program (in other words, the role that nation has in the global economic megaprogram) remains unaltered. The financial disciplines impose themselves upon the different colors of the world political spectrum in regards to the government of any nation. The great world power can tolerate a leftist government in any part of the world, as long as the government does not take measures that go against the needs of the world financial centers. But in no way will it tolerate that an alternative economic, political and social organization consolidate. For the megapolitics, the national politics are dwarfed and submit to the dictates of the financial centers. It will be this way until the dwarfs rebel . .

http://flag.blackened.net/revolt/mexico/ezln/1997/jigsaw.html

[TheKentuckian]

49. False premise. If a candidate is "viable" then they are acceptable to these folks.

Think of it in tiers rather than a light switch.

Tier I - Absolute free hand, tend not to be electable.

Tier II - Preferred brand. Down with the agenda, all the right associations without creeping most folks out at first sight.

Tier III - Non-preferred. Not friends with the inner circle. Has a wary political base that has to be cajoled in to support but is more than open to chunks of the agenda. Has to be careful of damaging their "brand" by pushing too hard.

Tier IV - Must be arm twisted and provided cover but will come around.

I don't think any lower tier is allowed anywhere near power, the House is the limit and then no leadership position.

Obama is a Tier III kinda guy. Dick Cheney is a I and Bush Tier II. They all are supported but the degrees vary. Will they take a preferred over a non-preferred? Certainly. Will they sneak in a Tier I if they can (Cheney, McShame)? Sure, but let's not get silly they can and do advance the ball with non-preferred politicians. Might even be reasonable to say that is the usual path. It is harder to consistently sell their shit with a steady stream of eager beavers.

[frylock]

50. "they" ran mccain and romney. doesn't seem that "they" really put forth much effort at all..

to keep him out of office.

[BuelahWitch]

55. ^^^This!

The only non-clown car Republican candidate in 2012 was Huntsman, and he was gone rather quickly. The others were either rich idiots or just idiots.

[uppityperson]

53. Just for curiosities sake, who did you support for pres last election? ETA, FRP.

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[BainsBane]

60. That quote is from Lenin, not Marx

[spanone]

52. lots of projection....like vomit

[BeyondGeography]

54. Not to mention Dempsey's obvious discomfort with attacking Syria

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/martin-dempsey-syria-options-costly-risky-94588.html

But that could be just a head-fake by the cagey MIC.

[AgingAmerican]

58. He isn't in cahoots with them

It's Stockholm syndrome. Stockholm syndrome explains a lot of his puzzling right wing tendencies.

[nolabels]

59. Reverse Psychology, and the Loyal Opposition has to be staffed to use it

Really who could know the all the reasons but just remember where this a will there is a way.


To get elected to be a POTUS you would need a least two of these three things, Charm, being amiable and being wealthy. Honesty is only paid lip service to in the selections. One mostly will knock another one out but if it cripples another leg of it you get a Kerry or a Romney