The Dalai Lama and the Pope do not AGREE in not being Muslim

[cthulu2016]

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This whole thing about Alex Jones and Mother Teressa AGREE on issue X and Rand Paul and Wavy Gravy AGREE on issue Y is not very honest thinking.

The Pope and the Dahlia Lama do not AGREE on being non-Muslim insofar as that commonality does not say much of anything about what the Pope or Dalai Lama believe. They happen to be non-Muslim. They have two very different theological universe views that happen to not be Islam. Their reasons for being what they are are quite different except insofar as they preclude being Muslim.

On the other hand, Muslims do agree that "There is no God but Allah and Mohamed is his prophet." There is vast disagreement in things within Islam, but all Muslims opt-in to a sensible theological category.

Is the Earth a sphere? No. A sphere is defined as all surface points being the same distance from the center. Because the Earth spins it is a tiny bit bulgy at the equator and a tiny bit flat at the poles. If you said (correctly, albeit pedantically) that the Earth is not a sphere would any honest person proclaim that you AGREE with the Flat Earth Society, for the purpose of encouraging people to reject some paper you wrote about alligator habitats?


Is your favorite color green? Then you and I AGREE on that. Not much of a basis for a friendship, but its something.

Now Bill over here... his favorite color is red. And Cheryl's favorite color is blue.

Ooooh! DO I hear wedding bells? They are obviously made for each other because they share the common trait of having a favorite color that is not green.

They are on the anti-green side, of course. We all know about the anti-green side...

After all, when it comes to favorite colors, there are only two real choices, right? Green and anti-green. It's so obvious.

Now, say that Cheryl really hates Bill. Cheryl thinks her favorite color is blue... but that puts her with Bill (in the fucked up world where there is an anti-green side)... so shouldn't she change her favorite color from blue to green? Who wants to "stand with Bill"?

[MADem]

1. This is probably better in the religion group, as your example about Muslims agreeing on

being Muslim is not accurate. That is not always the case--in many places, it is not OFTEN the case.

Intolerance is everywhere, unfortunately. Muslims, just because they pray differently and from a distance it all looks the same (you can tell a Shia from a Sunni just by looking, though, if you know what to look for) do have different ways of praying and even different prayers in some cases.


You certainly would not be touting that POV if you happened to be one of the shi'a Muslims in Egypt who were slaughtered by Muslim Brethren crews loyal to Morsi. They didn't regard those Muslims as Muslim, they regarded them as apostates, cultists, maniacs posing as Muslims who are a danger to the One True Fraith. This sort of intolerance was one of the straws that broke the camel's back when it came to the "democratically elected dictator" Morsi.

See: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23026865

Note that the police stood by, and did nothing to stop the attack...


More here: http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/06/27/egypt-lynching-shia-follows-months-hate-speech

The anti-Shia hate speech by Salafis, who consider Shia Muslims heretics, and the Muslim Brotherhood has been going on for two years, Human Rights Watch said. Muslim Brotherhood members and officials at Al Azhar, Egypt’s main center of Islamic learning and authority, have publicly called for an end to the spread of Shiism in Egypt.

Egypt isn't alone in this--try Pakistan, they're not sweet on "those OTHER Muslims" either.

And that shit happening in SYRIA? A lot of that is down to the Shi'a-Sunni split, as well.

From a distance, people look at the "source" of the split, and say "Who gives a shit?" To people who are not simply "cultural Muslims," who care about these things, though, they live this stuff like it's yesterday.