Is it true that Michelle Obama has a huge staff and all other first ladies only had one or two?

[LaydeeBug]

I am getting ready to 'go there' again, because I saw red when I saw something on social media referring to Michelle Obama as "Moochelle" Obama.

Please help if you are familiar with this. It's the first time I've seen it, and I am *PISSED*.

[senseandsensibility]

1. You saw "something" on social media?

Can you be more specific? There are lots of things on all kinds of social media every day. Personally, I am much more concerned about the push for war than this kind of gossip. But if you're really interested in it, and want people to help you investigate more info is needed.

[LaydeeBug]

3. It was a pic with disparaging and misspelled sentences in it...and

linked by a friend from some rightie page on Facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=569029853132053&set=a.188355024532873.35979.183356311699411&type=1&theater

Every. little. bit. matters. ESPECIALLY in the run up to military action.

[Tippy]

7. I knew the minute I saw the post it had to have come from facebook

More Tea baggers on FB than anywhere else....and all are so full of hate it amazes me they have not yet choked.

[LaydeeBug]

55. truly. But once they get the red ass in front of all their friends...

every little bit helps.

Sometimes I take a break from fighting the monkeys. Sometimes, i just get too pissed off.

[reformist2]

18. LOL, social media is so reliable you know...

[LaydeeBug]

56. I know, right? But sometimes you just can't let stuff stand like that...especially when you've known

these people your whole life.

[riverwalker]

2. Snopes says not true

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/firstlady.asp

found via the oh so friendly and easy to use Google

[LaydeeBug]

4. Thank you Riverwalker. I googled, but not very well since I got upset.

I *HATE* the lengths that they will go to in order to disparage this woman.

I appreciate your help.

[whistler162]

113. I heard Laura Bush, Barbara Bush, and Nancy Reagan

had one staffer who only worked 3 hours a month. Yet, they where able to handle all the clerical and scheduling needs of "REPUBLICAN" first ladies! <SARCASM>

[eridani]

20. Thanks--added to my debunking RW crap n/t

[rl6214]

5. It's true she has 20+ but

That's not much different from her predecessors

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/michelle-obamas-staff/

[Warren Stupidity]

6. The difference is she is black.

[DavidDvorkin]

9. Bingo!

[LaydeeBug]

13. Yep. nt

[kestrel91316]

34. Not just black - she's UPPITY. That woman needs to learn her place and stay in it.

[Whisp]

8. Here is a picture of her huge staff.

It wasn't working for Obama, for the world is not yet absolutely perfect LIKE HE PROMISED!!#*^ *spittle #$$!!!!! *froth, so he gave it to Michelle.

[MADem]

27. The accusation is likely made by people who wish they had a staff of any appreciable size.....

!!!!!!

[LaydeeBug]

30. Oh for sure. I love when they complain about things each first lady does

and then they find out that she isn't just spending 'our' money.

These people are bastard people. You can only let so much go before you have to smack it down

[MADem]

81. They seem to forget that she doesn't get paid a red cent for running round the country and the world

waving the flag and making the rest of us look good.

They begrudge her someone to answer her damn phone while she's giving a speech, free of charge.

It's egregious.

Nothing too good for Nancy Reagan (not to single her out, but just to make the point); any little thing is too much for Hillary Rodham Clinton or Michelle R. Obama.

It's just bullshit, and it is just wrong....

[Whisp]

44. Don't you mean 'rod'?

[MADem]

82. Whatever....maybe they are jealous of the Presidential staff, who knows?

Nyuck, nyuck!


I think it says a LOT about people, what they gripe about, yeah? If someone is griping about the kind of staff Michelle has, they must be harboring some sort of envy!

[Cleita]

10. Probably another smear if you trace it back, like the smear that her garden

was planted in contaminated soil.

[LaydeeBug]

23. They won't stop...sometimes it's like 'whack a mole'

but if you don't fight them, they will take your ground.

[hobbit709]

11. Why do you keep trying to teach pigs to sing?

It doesn't matter how many facts you show them, these idiots have no intention of having their minds changed by the truth.

[LaydeeBug]

12. It's never the pigs that I teach. It's their friends watching the lesson. And it matters.

Because when you get that random message from someone saying they've changed their mind...or that they tried to prove it wrong but they couldn't, it puts a dent in their hate shield.

[eridani]

105. "Reply All" is your friend here

Use it, and the BW bullshit level in your inbox will go down quite a bit.

[joshcryer]

109. Sometimes people want to win one for the team.

Sometimes people get fucking caught up in internet arguments and can't figure out the solution, the answer, the proper response. And it's demoralizing.

I had such a period with global warming deniers. They kept getting me and getting me and getting me and I thought I was insane trying to defend global warming science. Then it came to me. They're liars, the entire process is starting from lying. So I started simply researching their sources and low and behold, they were lying!

So it's a difficult prospect and it's actually difficult for some who can't use search engines or who have a community they've relied upon to help them debunk something. I think the OP has got too much hateful commentary for their geniune search for truth here.

[lpbk2713]

14. That name comes from OxyRush BTW.

As if he has any room to talk.

[LaydeeBug]

19. OMG, It *did*?? Oh, thank you very very very much

I effing *love* telling these people not to take advice from a thrice divorced drug addict.

Oh, this is what I was hoping for...the source of the talking point.

I have no idea how people can listen to Fox News or the like (I swear to you I did not know "The Blaze" was owned by Glenn Beck because I never read it, and I've never listened to him, but I've read a few transcripts). OTOH, there are people who don't know why I bother arguing with these people, so my hat is off to anyone shedding the light without being an asshole about it.

[lpbk2713]

24. No prob ... there's no limit to how low that a-hole will stoop.

Here's a link if you need it ...


Click ... http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/rush-limbaugh-attacks-moochelle-obama-c

[LaydeeBug]

36. Thank you very much. It's now bookmarked.

and I've used snopes on the shares I've seen this day.

So, at least it'll stop (a little bit).

[leftstreet]

15. What did your Google searches turn up? n/t

[LaydeeBug]

16. this

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/firstlady.asp

[whistler162]

112. Always go to the Snopes

[LaydeeBug]

131. Yep.

I was googling "laura bush's staff" and getting lists.

Snopes was off my radar.

[Pisces]

17. Your spots are always on display. Lucky I have a can of Raid handy for bugs.

[LaydeeBug]

21. as your flippant response displays you, but I'll note your concern.

There's toilet paper for that.

[Pisces]

39. It's funny how you are always posting concern and outrage posts to actually post what

you think. Also interesting how you seem to run across so much of this garbage. Hmmm. That is curious. Please note
that I am on to you.

[Judi Lynn]

45. It hit me that way immediately, and I've never read her posts before this thread.

Thanks for taking the time to make your point.

Sad, isn't it?

Clearly they assume others don't notice. Must be because they're simply too "smart" for us.

[LaydeeBug]

53. If you've never read my posts, and you've jumped to this conclusion after reading this thread...

It says an awful lot more about you than it does about me.

[notadmblnd]

137. +1

[LaydeeBug]

141. see post #110.

[notadmblnd]

145. see post #144

[LaydeeBug]

151. see post #50.

[REP]

48. You are not alone

So much concern, this one has; and always, always too upset to do her own research.

[LaydeeBug]

59. If only you had read the thread before you ran your...

but your concern is noted. I see how you are.

So much judgement this one has, and is always too outraged to contribute anything of value. Just piss and vinegar

[LaydeeBug]

52. Fishies claiming the moral high ground shouldn't do it while they're on a heap of bullshit

I won't be bullied. But nice try. No dice.

[Skittles]

183. combined with an apparent inability to use GOOGLE

yes INDEED

[LaydeeBug]

200. add to that a reticence for knee jerking and you've got yourself a party

Yes indeed.

[Skittles]

202. you poor thing

you've been found out and no amount of squawking about KNEE JERKING will change that

[LaydeeBug]

204. Bless your heart...

You don't think it's *you*, do ya?

[Skittles]

205. I KNOW it's not

[LaydeeBug]

207. Well then there's that

[joshcryer]

110. Assume your conspiracy is true.

The OP basically just rendered a through debunking to this particular issue and any issue she brings up from FB or whatever. This debunking will now be scraped by Google and will be preserved forever. Future people, searching for this issue, intuitively believing it is wrong, will find the answers they seek.

Your conspiracy now looks a little silly.

[Pisces]

139. Planting seeds of negativity is the game. Hoping some peruse the title quickly and don't read the

thread. If you can get the aggregate to have a negative feeling towards someone or something more of that will come. and that
person etc. no longer has your good will or the benefit of the doubt.

Do you think a successful troll comes here waiving there stupid flag??? No it is insidious and in the guise of concern and outrage.
This bug needs to be squashed. This is a pattern and maybe you have not seen prior posts. But feigned ignorance is the shield
this one uses and mock outrage to point out concerns is this one's M.O..

[LaydeeBug]

142. Debunking right wing meme's was the objective. It was handled before you decided to substitute your

judgement for other people's motives.

That is telling.

Accusing me of being a troll is also telling as well.

I'm starting to think you have the objective to make sure those memes stand unchallenged.

Because more people read social media than read your posts.

To quote you: "Do you think a successful troll comes here waiving there stupid flag???" <<<----Do you think you could use "their", especially when you're accusing someone of being stupid? Holy fucking hell.

And I *bet* you don't think you're the problem

[Pisces]

147. You keep up the pretense. I'll keep pointing it out. Meme's only become meme's when they are

repeated over and over again. Seems that is your objective. I see how much you enjoy answering all of the people
who comment about you. Keep feigning ignorance and having others do your google work to get those google searches up for negative Obama stories. Practice your best outrage at the slightest offense. Maybe it will work with some, but not me and I suspect
the majority sees Right through your post.

[AtomicKitten]

148. I think you're right.

Especially about getting people to push up the negative story on Google. I expect this type of trolling where Obama is concerned. He put himself out there and has rendered himself fair game. However, this passive aggressive trolling of Michelle is beyond the pale. That it comes from an HClinton acolyte is no surprise; we've seen faux feminism stink up these boards before. Transparent as hell. Thanks for speaking up. Cheers.

[LaydeeBug]

156. Oh, now I am an HClinton acolyte? Well I guess you're the arbiter of that

don't let FACTS get in your way.

I am honestly starting to think that there are people on this board who don't want right wing memes debunked so that the right wing meme stands unchallenged.

Maybe there's an agenda I hadn't considered.

because this shit has been WAY the fuck over the top

[AtomicKitten]

166. Oh knock it off.

Jesus Jumping Christ, you come on here with 'lordy somebody help me find the 'g' on my typing picture machine' nonsense.

First of all, do you really think Michelle has "more than 20" assistants and the other First Ladies had "1 or 2?" That's ridiculous on its face. Secondly this crap is being slung by the rightwing exclusively.

This absurd theater you are perpetrating is what Chris Hayes calls the "demiglace of bitter" and you know precisely what people he's talking about because clearly you are one of them.

[LaydeeBug]

169. Actually, maybe you ought to practice what you preach, and knock it off yourself.

Really. Thinking you are the one to assign positions is what theatre is, honey. See post #110.

[AtomicKitten]

170. The RW thanks you for disseminating their horseshit. nt

[LaydeeBug]

171. I am glad you speak on their behalf (too)

because the good Lord knows you decide what other people are thinking FOR them all the live long say.

[anneboleyn]

203. Amen AtomicKitten. Thank you for posting this as I actually thought the op's question

was posed legitimately (I didn't realize it was part of an established pattern of posts) -- this saves me a lot of time (and as you and many others have noted -- the op can do a snopes and/or google investigation and save us all the time)

[LaydeeBug]

206. I am so happy to note your concern...what with your attention to the substance of this

it shows you haven't read it.
But I am not surprised.

[LaydeeBug]

198. You keep calling your knee jerking my pretense...it's what haters do...see post

Oh, it's not the first time I asked, and it *wont'* be the last, your KNEE JERKING notwithstandingOf course, had you not knee jerked, and just READ THE THREAD, you would have seen that all of this was cleared up LONG BEFORE you decided to puke all over this. It's okay though.

I'll keep pointing that out.

[notadmblnd]

144. Until the next &quot;I just read this, is it true? I'm pissed&quot; post from the OP

Last edited Sun Sep 8, 2013, 01:21 PM - Edit history (3)

The OP bringing it here- for what? Their quest for the truth or simply to inflame using right wing talking points from Mr. Oxycontin himself? I found both, the number of Hillary Clinton's and Laura Bush's staff in less than 5 minutes with the simple search words

number of first lady Hillary Clinton's staff
first ladies laura bush staff


IMO, it would have taken less time for the OP to debunk this themselves than to post it here in an attempt to inflame people.

This is not the first "I just read this, is it true? I'm pissed post" that I have read from this OP

on edit:

I guess the part that bothers me most about the OPs posts of this nature is their eagerness to believe and become pissed/angry that the current First Lady (or whatever subject they are pissed about) may have access to something that other's claim previous First Ladies have not had, knowing it's a RW point then posting it here without checking first.

It does make one wonder the reason for the posting.

[LaydeeBug]

150. The OP brought it here to debunk it...and asking a question is NOT 'furthering their meme;..that's

their projection...and substituting their judgement for mine.

You would think if you're offended you would ignore it.

Calling someone a troll is a TOS violation. I bet you didn't think it was YOU breaking the rules though.

[kenny blankenship]

22. Don't know and don't care if she does.

I would imagine Hillary had a lot of people working on her staff when she was leading the earlier healthcare debacle.

[LaydeeBug]

25. I guess this is getting kicked because I am responding to others, but

snopes cleared it up. It's bullshit.

[cherokeeprogressive]

26. Why would anyone care, and why would anyone get *PISSED* about it either way?

My goodness...

[LaydeeBug]

28. An injustice to anyone is an injustice to everyone, and judging how other's FEEL about

something is really, really, wrong. **MY** goodness.

[cherokeeprogressive]

29. This is an "injustice" how?

[LaydeeBug]

31. It maligns the First Lady's character and insinuates that she is being frivolous

by hiring a huge staff that other first ladies did not get.

[cherokeeprogressive]

35. Okay then.

Feel free to be *PISSED*.

[LaydeeBug]

38. Thank you for your permission.

[kestrel91316]

37. It's racist hatemongering. But I'm pretty sure you knew that......

and support it.

[cherokeeprogressive]

43. Oh my. You've gone and figured me out.

I guess my big problem is I don't let things people say on "social media" *PISS ME OFF*.

FWIW, the first time I heard "Moochelle" was when I was in high school, in the 70's. Michelle was a little overweight, but she was white as the driven snow. Racist? Or not?

[Pisces]

41. It's called fake outrage and concern to highlight rightwing garbage.

[LaydeeBug]

61. It's called claiming the moral high ground while you're standing on a heap of bullshit

but there's toilet paper for that.

And you're showing yourself.

You are showing yourself indeed.

[Pisces]

76. Oh I'll be plain as day. You do not trick most on this board as you can see from the comments.

I think you should change your bug signature to maggot as you love to wallow in rotting garbage.

Good luck to you in your shit stirring adventure on DU, however, most on this board are too smart for you.

[LaydeeBug]

83. Post #50. The teeny tiny minority of folk who knee jerk around here can see you

and there's toilet paper for that.

[randome]

32. When confronted with irrelevancies, do what a Conservative would do.

Tell 'em to fuck off!
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"[/center][/font][hr]

[LaydeeBug]

33. I wish more Democrats would do this sometimes.

but the top guys always walk.

[Warren DeMontague]

40. Ah, yes, the ol' "help me debunk this Right Wing meme"

Right wing meme helpfully provided here.


...

Short answer? Don't bother with Right Wingers or their bullshit games. We've all got better stuff to do.

Right?

[Pisces]

42. I agree with you!!!!

[REP]

49. If only she had a computer that could link to other computers on some sort of world wide network ...

... she could find the answers herself!

[LaydeeBug]

51. or a website with like minded individuals who have seen this before...If ONLY

but haters are gonna hate. It's just what they *do*

[REP]

78. That's the best you came up with?

[LaydeeBug]

79. Truth hurts, I'm sure.

Thanks for going through the effort to post a video, after some knee jerking bullshit accompanied by spiteful antics.

The *lengths* you will go to...Telling

When I post this: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023606030 Nada.

When I post this: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023576089 There just ain't NOTHIN'

But let me post a question that YOU think you're on a high horse about, and your shit's posting Prince videos and all feigning superior.

If that weren't true, it'd be funny. Instead, it's telling

[Warren DeMontague]

86. ..Now the thread's all about the OP and how mean DU members didn't think their motives were genuine.

In fact, the First Lady's staff has dropped off the face of the entire topic.


Amazing how that works, isn't it?

[REP]

89. A-maz-ing!

But I'm glad to see all the meanies restored her ability to use a search function ... at least temporarily.

[LaydeeBug]

98. Oh it's incredible...

but I'm glad to see all the bullies who didn't bother to read before they shot off at their...

Oh wait! Price might want a drink.

[LaydeeBug]

97. As a matter of FACT, it was handled long before you ever decided to mount your high horse...

Had you actually read the thread before you kneejerked all over the place, you would know that.

Amazing how that works, isn't it?

[LaydeeBug]

58. If *ONLY* some people would have actually read this thread before knee jerking

but you reveal yourselves, and that's fine too.

[LaydeeBug]

67. Truly.

What a thoughtful and insightful post. Clearly you thought you were being helpful.

the haters....They gonna hate.

[LaydeeBug]

70. I appreciate your asking a serious question instead of casting aspersions like you and a few were..

and my request still stands. Please read the thread.

(hint: post #12)

I am from a red area of a blue state (actually, they're DINOs, so technically, it's blue, but it's not REALLY since this is what a girl posted that I knew when I was little) If you don't fight them, they'll think they're right.

If it appeases their sense of spite, they seem to gravitate toward it. When you point out that they're wrong, post #12.

Knocking on doors makes a difference. Registering voters makes a difference. And so does engaging them sometimes. I am not the dipshit whisperer, so I don't show up to every argument to which I am invited, but sometimes, it smacks of such bullshit, that I get pretty sure others here have already encountered it. That's why I ask. If I've already encountered it, I pass along a link or two to help others. That's a good feeling.

Accusing people when it is clear you've jumped to a false conclusion by kneejerking is not a good feeling.

Maybe you should *really* read the thread for content. Just sayin'

[LaydeeBug]

72. Look, this *is* a discussion board, not a game board; the onus is on y'all not casting aspersions

When people get defensive around what they perceive as potentially more of that disingenuous game playing, it is ABSOLUTELY personal, and THEY should take a step back and not IMPOSE their perception on people whom they don't know. Because people getting defensive IS personal, but the very fact they're defensive.

One could glean a lot from looking at this.

[LaydeeBug]

74. No one said I was owed an apology, just a fair shake...and to follow the rules

I also think it's funny that you said I wasn't owed an apology, and then said, "Sorry". LOL

You told me I should take a step back, but fail to see where you should. Again, why on earth would even respond if you had something better to do?

I am not the one spinning...you are..."when people get defensive around what they perceive as potentially more of that disingenuous game playing, its not personal..." <<<----- that's a quote from you. Really.

[LaydeeBug]

87. Oh, my mission was accomplished in Post #2. Had you actually read the thread, you'd know that.

You're welcome.

Oh, but I am *sure* you had something better to do, as you've SHOWN.

[LaydeeBug]

75. and...it's still relevant..see post #50. nt

[TBF]

115. lololol

I don't know how you've gotten away with it for so long. Cooking and baking indeed.

[LaydeeBug]

122. I'm not sure how you're getting away with the TOS violation that you're doing right now

but lololololololol you are just fucking hilarious.

[TBF]

173. What is the violation? nt

[LaydeeBug]

176. Accusing me of being a right winger.

I *know*. You don't think it's *YOU*.

you think you have a right to tell other people what they think and what they mean.

smh

[TBF]

178. I said you are posting

right wing memes. Folks will have to draw their opinions on why you do that. Would you like to explain that? You are obviously very clever in your sparring so I'm not believing that you simply are "confused" about how to reply to your ignorant friends.

[LaydeeBug]

180. see post #115 and pretend you didn't

insinuate a thing.

As for me answering to you? I just fucking *don't*. And I wasn't confused. I was pissed off. I said so, but of course, you and your ilk like to assign motives and claim the moral high ground while you're standing on a heap of bullshit.

So there's that.

[joshcryer]

108. Or if she had a website where she could ask questions and get sincere answers.

Oh wait... this thread objectively proves that some people here can't get treated with an iota of respect due to knee-jerk disparaging responses from people with little character.

[TBF]

116. You're letting your credibility slide here ...

nt

[joshcryer]

119. Yeah, OK.

As if you considered that I had any credibility at all with your disparaging remarks on The Bell Forum about me.

The OP appears to me to be a person who wants to debunk their fundie acquaintances. Even if they aren't their posts here are easily found by a Google search and they wouldn't be perpetuating a fundie perspective because as DUers we tend to debunk that shit.

Until people like the respondents make a fool of themselves.

[TBF]

120. I would've bought that explanation

if it had happened once, twice, maybe three times. Nope.

[LaydeeBug]

125. No one is asking you to buy a thing

which *might* be the point.

You are a bully, and I won't back down to you

[TBF]

172. Whatever LaydeeBug -

no one is fooled by your little act.

[LaydeeBug]

174. However TBF

However you get through the day. I think you want right wing memes to stand unchallenged.

I am not fooled by your snide bullying.

[TBF]

175. You can name-call all you want -

everyone knows I am a socialist. That is clear here and everywhere else I post. Just as it is clear that you constantly post your right-wing memes. Crystal clear.

[LaydeeBug]

179. If you dish it, be ready to take it

No, your supposed socialism is not clear here...your attempt at censorship is. You see, you said, "EVERYONE knows" you're a socialist. I am one. I did not know, and honestly your antics suggest otherwise.

But it is clear who you're helping by trying to get posters not to answer their attempt to frame the debate. Crystal clear.

And you're not fooling me for a minute.

[TBF]

181. More personal attacks -

it's all you can do obviously. You can't defend the constant posting of your right-wing memes so you are lashing out. Bravo, well done.

[LaydeeBug]

184. I give like I get, and I obviously can read a thread before I knee jerk all over it

so there's that. I actually *did* defend my posting of a question...you are the one saying I post memes...of course it isn't true, but that won't stop you, now, will it? Of *course* not. But, then again, had you actually read this thread, you'd see that.

Now we both know that you didn't.

Oh, and it'd be Brava, but since you're obviously not comprehending too well, and busy substituting your judgement for people, I really wouldn't expect you to know that. Of course, I wouldn't bash you if you had asked either, because I was raised right.

[maddezmom]

146. LOL, I am reminded of these

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july-12-2006/headlines---internet

[LaydeeBug]

154. all the way back from 2008.

[maddezmom]

187. Yeah, I have good memory

[LaydeeBug]

188. Me too

[maddezmom]

189. Good for you

And so I am sure when you posted this you knew some people, including me don't understand how you haven't figured out the google yet.

[LaydeeBug]

191. Good for you too

And so I am sure when you responded to this that you knew that I don't really think I need your permission to ask a question, and
that I was politely responding to one of my answerers (the first one happened in POST NUMBER TWO) when a bunch of knee jerkers thought it was cool to inflame this thread and make it personal. So I don't understand why people malign others when it really contributes nothing of substance to the conversation other than to celebrate a snide sense of spite.

[LaydeeBug]

50. Ah yes, the attempt to marginalize people by "feigning some sort of superiority"

Short answer? **YOU'RE** not *HELPING*

So if you had something better to do, why on *earth* did you respond at all?

Maybe you thought you were on some high horse? Maybe you *thought* you could censor someone?

Wrong!

[LaydeeBug]

68. Read post #50

nt

[notadmblnd]

160. You're not helping either.

And no, I never said I had anything better to do and I don't see where I'm on any type of high horse.

I'm questioning why you post right wing talking points knowing full well that they're right wing talking points, and at the same time claiming to be angry about what the subject is doing.

You're pissed because some bagger made you think that Michele Obama has more than 2 people on her staff while previous first ladies did not

You must have believed it, else you wouldn't have posted here asking if it were true.

As I've said in previous posts, you could have verified this easily, in less time than it took you to write your "I'm pissed" post. So yes, I do wonder about your motives for posting your genre of posts? I can only see two possible answers to this:

Either you want others to do your homework for you or you do it to inflame the discussion board.

Either way, you've accomplished what you wanted.

[LaydeeBug]

163. At this point, I am standing my ground against a deluge of knee jerking...

But here. Read this and hopefully that will clear things up a bit: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3622049

I am not "pissed because some bagger made you think that Michele Obama has more than 2 people on her staff while previous first ladies did not" and saying that "I must have believed it, else you wouldn't have posted here asking if it were true"

You seem to substitute your judgement for other people an awful lot. I am not all that tech savvy. Snopes had escaped my mind, and google was giving me Lynn Sweet, so I asked here.

The people who came in with snide, underhanded knee jerking comments are the ones who inflamed the board, not me, or the ones who engaged in the discussion, not the knee jerking.

But I *bet* you didn't bother to see any of that.

Here, and it's really the last time I justify why I post *anything* here. Who do these people think they are telling me that I am asking to further a righty, and not to fight one...THEY are helping the righty by acting like them.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3620310

Honestly. READ THIS THREAD. Some of the stuff on here hurled at me is downright silly.

[notadmblnd]

165. I have made no judgement

I've questioned your motive for posting the type of threads you do. Up until now, your answer has not been forth coming.

In a round about way, you finally gave me your answer.

[LaydeeBug]

168. Actually, you did, by questioning my motive...

which I explained in post #12 as well as on any other thread that I post in this regard.

Also, se post #107.

And while I am super frustrated right now, I do really appreciate that you bothered to find an answer from me instead of acting like an asshole. And I sincerely mean that.

[joshcryer]

107. Effin' idiotic, if you knew the OP you'd know she asks these questions often.

Because she sincerely wants to debunk her fundie acquaintances.

[joshcryer]

114. Interesting you'd post an racist (Michael Richards) as a reply.

"That's what they're paying you for" is the quote in the video. 'cept Kramer (Michael Richards) is a pure racist. No question.

It's not about insensitivity, perhaps you're ignorant of LadyBugs' posts in the past. She really does try to debunk people, particularly RWers and she asks DU regularly how to do so. Some people can't figure that out for themselves and they ask the DU community for help. I'm sorry that people reaching out for help on DU offends your sensibilities so.

[LaydeeBug]

123. And notice that these respondents ADDED NOTHING other than a lame assed attempt at censorship.

Highjacking my OP without reading it, and feigning pout rage.

But by their deeds, you will know them.

And they are *certainly* showing themselves.

Thank you joshcryer.

[R B Garr]

162. They obviously did read your OP and this thread. The problem

is that they sense a subtext to it, and actually it came across that way to me when I read your OP title: "All" of the other first ladies only had one or two assistants -- that didn't sound like a genuine statement, but rather a hook that RW'ers use to incite an emotional response in their base. You see those kinds of emotionally blanket statements on Fox News (which I am forced to be exposed to at the gym). Maybe you are forced to listen to RW talking points somewhere as you indicate, but it doesn't take that much to see right through the incitement of your topic, starting with the title itself.

Now you're claiming censorship. That's another tactic used by RW'ers wherein they repeat a lie, and if you don't accept that lie, you are unpatriotic and are censoring them. No one is telling you not to post. They are just questioning your methods. I thought there were some interesting comments from posters in this thread about keeping this topic fresh on Google searches. I didn't even think of that, but it's a good point.

[LaydeeBug]

164. No, They obviously read the title and started knee jerking since we handled

this shit in post #2.

Yep. Post number TWO. You see, had they bothered to read it, all of their snide, knee jerking questions (and honestly...how is it NOT an attempt at censorship when they are trying to tell you what questions you can and can't ask and how they will try to define you as a result?) would have been answered. But that doesn't appease their sense of spite, so they felt the need to TELL it. I bet they don't think it's them, but now, when someone else would want to ask, they will feel like they can't because knee jerkers knee jerk and assign motives to people. Long term DUers calling other DUers trolls in this way is frustrating to me. Please alert the admins if you feel someone is a troll, they have tools such as IP checks and they can easily and quickly review a posters entire history. Accusing someone of being a troll mid thread is not the point of the discussion, and IMO against the rules.

And Jesus H Christ on a cracker, the knee jerkers showed up when I responded to someone else's help.

And for the last effing time, so that we're really super clear, I didn't repeat a lie. I debunked one.

Oh, and it does take much claim I am inciting anything other than an answer...it takes JUMPING TO FUCKING CONCLUSIONS AND CASTING ASPERSIONS AND KNEE JERKING. All of which these posers feel ENTITLED to do. So please stop the pretense.

I thought there were some interesting topics too about it being on google. DEBUNKED. See post #110.

[LaydeeBug]

152. Jesus, dude, I thought you had better things to do...

unless this is intended as some sort of post-modern bullshit stack that you've claimed to be the moral high ground. See post #110. This was all sorted before you and your ilk came here trying to censor other members in good standing and accusing them of being right wingers so you could appease your sense of spite. Yet had YOU read the thread, you would have seen it, since it was all posted BEFORE you showed up. But *I* know, you don't think it's *YOU*.

It is. And you kinda caught on to how wrong you were being, you just don't want to admit it.

No one owes you anything.

[LaydeeBug]

155. Oh, I *know*. you are just ***relentless***

[Egalitarian Thug]

46. Of course not. The Office of First Lady has had a staff and budget for over a century.

Nancy reagan was probably the most abusive of her privilege while, not surprisingly, Rosalynn Carter was among the most humble of the modern First Ladies. I'm sure however, that Michelle Obama will be made out in a negative light no matter what she does.

[PlanetaryOrbit]

47. I think any time a politician or his/her family has benefits, it will be taken out of context.

Someone who dislikes a politician can say, "Did you know that Air Force One costs ______ dollars to operate every year? Just for that President's travel?" while ignoring, of course, the fact that it was a privilege that was provided to Bush, Clinton, Reagan, etc. just the same as well.

[LaydeeBug]

57. Welcome to DU, PlanetaryOrbit. nt

[Iggo]

54. Oh, jeez...

[LaydeeBug]

60. Geeze Louise indeed.

[Skittles]

62. I don't see through that one at ALL

not even with these!

[Iggo]

63. Right?

[LaydeeBug]

64. Really?

One would think you'd know better...but pile on Dude!

Fucking wow.

[appleannie1]

77. Laura Bush had 18 and Hillary had 19

[4bucksagallon]

80. She probably has more SS protection because she is off color for the White House.

A certain segment of our population take offense at that.

[SwampG8r]

84. im pretty sure

snopes shot this down
she is popular and is a requested guest at many functions as all first ladies are
she may have more staff than previous first ladies in number but the technologies we use today will require more staff to co ordinate
remember she is the first first lady to have Skype twitter facebook and dozens of other communications media available to her
which expands her availability
if they keep talking about staff size remind them of job creation in a down economy

[LaydeeBug]

88. It did. See post #2.

I've just been battling flame bots who think they can bully people and cast aspersions ever since.

Haters gonna hate...and knee jerkers gonna knee jerk. It's what they *do*.

[HangOnKids]

90. You Are Hilarious! Is This Performance Art?

I mean with the multiple comments about aspersions, haters, high horses, knee jerking, this is FUCKING brilliant. I hope you have a really good agent because this act should go VIRAL. I am in awe!

[LaydeeBug]

91. Oh God! ANOTHER insightful post that adds to the discussion

except that it doesn't.

[HangOnKids]

92. Holy Crap!

I was paying you a compliment and you come back with this? Sheesh I think your high horse is calling Bug! I am offended.

[LaydeeBug]

93. Happy to oblige...

bullshit is as bullshit does.

There's toilet paper for that

[HangOnKids]

94. Bulls use toilet paper?

Wow you are getting pretty heavy here....

[LaydeeBug]

95. see post #58. nt

[HangOnKids]

96. LOL!

Crazy, that is just so funny I almost fell out of my chair.

[LaydeeBug]

99. Oh you're a scream

and Clint Eastwood wants his chair back

[HangOnKids]

100. Good give it to him!

[LaydeeBug]

101. It's been given. Of course, you already knew that.

[HangOnKids]

102. You are just too silly

[LaydeeBug]

103. as you are relentless.

[SwampG8r]

124. yes i replied

before I read and its pretty nasty
nice fan club you have going lol

[LaydeeBug]

130. I know right? And they don't think it's *THEM*

I am honestly starting to question their motives. They are not concerned about my posting...they seem worried that we will coordinate a real effort to debunk rightie talking points before they get big.

They seem hell bent on STOPPING that. And it shows them, yanno?

Notice the cretins NEVER address the issue (which gets handled kinda quickly) But they sure as hell try to highjack to pick on me.

I wonder if it ever occurred to them that if I am willing to engage a fucking teabagger, I am probably not afraid of them.

But haters are gonna hate, and I will not back down. They should not bully.

[joshcryer]

106. I can't believe the shit you're getting LaydeeBug.

Sorry for the language but this is BS, everyone should know you ask these kinds of questions on a semi-regular basis. Now maybe I'm the only one who knows you but I don't think you have ill intent at all posting these FB-inspired postings and trying to debunk them. You, please no offense, remind me of my mom who asks me to help her debunk certain things she knows is intuitively wrong but doesn't know the facts about.

Here's the last thread where you asked a similar question: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023555165

Fortunately in that that thread no one was an asshole.

Take care, and don't let the DU reactionaries get to you, I know what is in your heart and why you asked what you did.

[LaydeeBug]

127. Thank you so much joshcryer, and what a lovely compliment

to remind you of your mother.

There are assholes all over here, and if you;ll notice...they started showing their filthy assholes (and nary a word about the substance of this) *after* this was 'solved' so to speak.

Haters gonna hate. They think they're on a high horse or something

[onecent]

117. Who really gives a rats ass??? This is 2013....

anything goes....

#1 she is black she has 2 daughters who I WOULD KEEP VERY PROTECTED
The president is black...anything they do is blown out of proportion...
and frankly I could care less if they had 100 on her staff....
Let's start freaking out ABOUT JOBSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[LaydeeBug]

129. see post #12 nt

[trumad]

118. oh come on...

You've been here since 2008 and you don't know how to debunk something. You never heard of Snopes before?

And you headline an OP acting all concerned about this because your douchebag Facebook Tea Bag friends say its true.

First rule....and this will help you from posting concern troll type Ops in the future.

Use Snopes....

second rule:

Never ever believe what douchebag tea baggers post in errrr the social media.

[LaydeeBug]

128. You know what trumad *YOU* are being part of the problem now

And I *truly* expected better from a poster like you.

Really.

Honestly.

I won't stop asking question to appease you, or anyone else's sense of decorum.

So honestly...FUCK if you think this is 'concern troll OP'. How dare YOU? You of all people. The flippant, snide, contribute nothing other than bullying and hurling invectives is what's concerning.

So first rule: READ THE EFFING THREAD BEFORE YOU GO setting up rules censoring people...

and second rule:

Never ever claim the moral high ground while you're standing in quick sand.

[trumad]

208. This is the very example of a concern troll thread.

I heard from someone who heard from someone that Obama was a sea urchin before he was human.

Can you guys help me with this because I forgot how to use Snopes or the Googles.

I ain't the only one calling you out with this...

[LaydeeBug]

210. I linked to the actual picture upthread, so no it's not...

and if you *actually* read the thread, you would have *actually* seen it. And the reason I didn't link to it at first is because I didn't want to be accused of trying to give them traffic. When I was asked for it, I provided it.

The biggest problem with you, and the "ain't the only one others" is that this was answered and winding down when a bunch of "why did you post this's" showed up and inflamed this thread, making it about me, and not what they were trying to do to the First Lady. This wasn't some 'whisper campaign'. Most of it was published in the Chicago Tribune. Accusing someone of being a troll mid thread is not the point of the discussion, and so I will be benevolent.

If you LOOK at the graphic (had you *actually* read this thread) and begin to research the items under the poorly spelled intro sentences, you would see that the info there is actually correct. I know this because the googles.

So then I asked here. Not that I owe you or anyone else an explanation for that when you're just deciding for me anyway.

And you guys don't think it's *YOU*. But it is.

[a la izquierda]

121. Here's how I respond to crap like this that occasionally flits across my facebook page.

It's wonderful function called "limited profile" and other such blocks.
My entire family, and a few friends, are conservative. I won't take their bait. I do not "friend" people I don't know, so I rarely see conservative bullshit on my page from strangers. I do not "like" conservative pages of any stripe. I block much of what my family posts, as I'm certain they do to me.

I do not have the time or energy to get pissed about what people say. They want to wallow in their own ignorance, fine by me. I do not get paid to help them see. I do, however, get paid to help my students learn history. Why should I worry about those who do not care to think and explore deeply?

My $.02

[Rex]

126. I'm not sure, but I don't really care either way.

nt.

[LaydeeBug]

132. Oh, it's bullshit, but the unseemly accusations that happen here are revealing.

nt

[Rex]

140. True.

It is quite a common occurrence these days.

[HipChick]

133. Wow...I expected more from DU, other than to post RW talking points

'found' on social media sites

[LaydeeBug]

134. Wow, had you *actually* read the thread...oh wait...let's all stop so you can knee jerk

see post #108

[notadmblnd]

135. Words straight from Raunch Limpballs lips

I've seen news clips on MSNBC where they've played excerpts of his shows with him saying those exact words.

All first ladies have an entire staff working for them. One or two my ass. Laura Bush had between 24 and 26. It's a real easy Google or Bing search. So why come here with your pissed off-ed-ness and play this game?

[LaydeeBug]

136. I don't listen to that fat assed thrice divorced gasbag, so I had no idea he said it...

someone I knew when I was little posted the pic I linked to upthread.

I have no idea how people can listen to that guy at all, but I am happy for it. And better.

[CakeGrrl]

138. I would bet $$$ that it's distorted, but don't waste much time on them.

People posting this crap are not concerned about getting the record straight. They just can't stand a black family in the White House, and any attempt to refute the claim won't matter.

I'd say a pretty reliable bellwether is that the MSM isn't touting it. If there were any way to cast the Obamas in a negative light, they'd run with it.

[LaydeeBug]

143. You'd win even bigger if you doubled down because you're right (and thank you)

They can't stand it. And they will twist any which way but loose to criticize it. But when it's happening on FB, there is an audience who can see it debunked.

THOSE are the ones you reach.

Snopes debunked it.

[demwing]

157. Yes, its true

She's a real diva, running around the White House with her might army, heads rolling in her wake. I know it's true 'cause I read it in an anonymous email that my uncle forwarded to me.

I am SO worried and mad. More mad than worried, really, but still worried. And mad.

[LaydeeBug]

158. Oh I bet you are

And I linked to the graphic, I just didn't want them to have the traffic.

But maybe alieneate some *more* people who are on your side, because then your sense of spite can be appeased and all.

No one *ever* wants to stick it to the monkeys, they can only want to to help them if they want something debunked.

I know because some anonymous poser on some message board said so.

I am SO on my high horse now. And snide. More snide than concerned, but still snide. And all superior.

[demwing]

194. Please, can't we for once just leave the Monkees out of this?

Oh well done, now the Monkees are SO sad. Especially Micky.

[LaydeeBug]

195. No, we can't. We *must* shock the monkey

[demwing]

199. Monkey *was* shocked

Either this monkey just saw your post, or the new viral video Two Chimps One Bowl...

[LaydeeBug]

201. You love assigning other people's positions. Funny that.

nt

[Skittles]

186. STOP IT DEMWING

[arely staircase]

159. you thinking of

Anthony Weiner

[LaydeeBug]

161. LOL! I wish. Nope, they actually published this and got all bent out of shape

when it got proven wrong, much like that trip to France. Haters are gonna hate, but when you can prove it wrong, on FB and twitter, we should.

[msanthrope]

190. Well played, sir. Well played. nt

[La Lioness Priyanka]

167. this sounds like unabashed racism to me. nt

[LaydeeBug]

185. I'm a minority and I think it does too.

Just like the France trip that wasn't at all a problem. But if that gets doled out where a lot of people will see it, it is nice to be able to smack it down.

[madrchsod]

177. who cares?

[LaydeeBug]

182. I care. It matters to me when she is maligned and there isn't one iota of truth to it

It also matters to me when people accuse me of being a right winger and there isn't one iota of truth to that either.

[yodermon]

192. try the Propaganda Debunking group

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1022

maybe you'll catch less flack for it there? if people are going to reply just to be assholes I don't know why they spend the energy.

[LaydeeBug]

193. Thank you for that. I agree with you.

You know, when I saw there was another response to this thread, I cringed for a moment but am benevolent about this..I am NOT backing down from bullying. But then I read it and subscribed to this group.

[zappaman]

196. IMPEACH!!!!!!!!

[LaydeeBug]

197. LOL!

Benghazi!!

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

209. Michelle employed, freedumb died!

Or whatever.