One affected infant, and one illegal chemical weapon:

[truedelphi]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=553573118031712&set=a.553034728085551.1073741826.160616580660703&type=1&ref=nf

[iemitsu]

1. This is why we have no business seeking to punish Assad

for anything.
We have no moral authority.

[newfie11]

2. Everyone needs to see this

America is far from innocent.
Yeah there's Vietnam, Iraq, but there's also the Americans that were Guinea pigs in the 50 & 60 while this country was busily exploding nuclear bombs in Nevada. Have you seen the troops standing outside looking at the mushroom cloud? Ask us downwinders how many leukemia deaths from people we knew.
Think in the 50's & 60's our government didnt know results of radiation? Think they didn't study the poor folks in Japan?
No I don't trust my country. It is not for the people or by the people. It is for sale to the highest bidder!

[truedelphi]

3. Yes, this nation ordered its Naval Carriers into places that were

Downwind of A bomb blasts. With the service people ordered to stand at attention, and told how much of a privilege it was to be able to see such a fantabulous weapon being detonated.

These poor folks ended up with very rare cancers, and serious health problems. And far from getting any sort of hero status, they had to fight for whatever treatment and benefits that they could get.

Entire towns in Utah and Nevada have been destroyed by above ground A bomb blasts. "Cancer alley" is too light a term to use in regards to a town where over 70 percent of all inhabitants died from cancer.

[msanthrope]

4. While that's a horrible picture, do you have any other information on where

it came from?

[truedelphi]

6. I cannot specifically source that photo. At one point in time, I had

On my hard drive, an entire collection of photos of equally gruesome birth defects. (That hard drive went down some years ago.)

Some babies are miscarried. Some babies are born without skin, and missing features, so the woman gives birth to what looks to be hamburger.

Some babies have one huge eye. Some are born without eyeballs.

Due to how the earth's atmosphere works, some of that noxious DU ends up being in the jetstream. Currently in the USA, we are seeing an extreme rise in what used to be very rare blastomas and other fatal health problems in infants under the age of two.

Depleted Uranium was used in the NATO attack on Serbia. Also in use in Afghanistan.

I wrote up, back in 2004, the following article and it was published in a Marin County monthly publication, The Coastal Post, of Bolinas Calif.

From my article: "One gram of DU releases more than 12,000 particles per second. The radiation slowly kills the cells that make life possible. The Gulf War syndrome of 1991 did just that." (reported by Dr. Asaf Durakovic, Prof. of Medicine, Georgetown University, and discoverer of the Gulf War Syndrome.)"

here is that article in its entirety: http://www.coastalpost.com/04/08/index.htm

[msanthrope]

7. If you cannot source this picture, why would you post it? nt

[truedelphi]

8. Okay here is a photo of a baby that has external organs, and it is sourced by

"Democracy Now." You will see that baby's photo at the beginning of the video. The video itself is an interview in English with an American medical doctor regarding the horrible affects of depleted uranium on both our service people and also the entire population in Iraq. There are many graphic photos of infants with birth defects, so please don't worry - you can easily dispute my selection of the first photo, but there are tens of thousands of photos of equal significance from places across the globe, especially on websites in France:

Democracy Now interview, with graphic photos:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/20/iraq-war-anniversary-birth-defects-cancer_n_2917701.html

[truedelphi]

10. Within the first three minutes of this French video,

Equally gruesome photos of babies who were affected by depleted uranium.You don't need to speak french to understand the meaning of a baby having a body that appears like one of these:

http://www.air-defense.net/forum/topic/15444-vid%C3%A9o-les-armes-%C3%A0-luranium-appauvri/

[msanthrope]

14. I appreciate your diligence, and I thank you for actual sources

rather than a Facebook post.

[Sunlei]

5. Fallujah contamination/destruction was like the center of the out of control-overkill BUSH hell.

The USA and the Britts ganged up in that city, they went ballistic when those 4 blackwater delivery drivers got killed and crushed that place. free fire!! this is where billions in federal dollars were grabbed by war profiteers. when you google Fallujah facts like this come up.

In the assault US commanders largely treated Fallujah as a free-fire zone to try to reduce casualties among their own troops. British officers were appalled by the lack of concern for civilian casualties. "During preparatory operations in the November 2004 Fallujah clearance operation, on one night over 40 155mm artillery rounds were fired into a small sector of the city," recalled Brigadier Nigel Aylwin-Foster, a British commander serving with the American forces in Baghdad.

He added that the US commander who ordered this devastating use of firepower did not consider it significant enough to mention it in his daily report to the US general in command.


study, entitled "Cancer, Infant Mortality and Birth Sex-Ratio in Fallujah, Iraq 2005-2009", is by Dr Busby, Malak Hamdan and Entesar Ariabi, and concludes that anecdotal evidence of a sharp rise in cancer and congenital birth defects is correct. Infant mortality was found to be 80 per 1,000 births compared to 19 in Egypt, 17 in Jordan and 9.7 in Kuwait. The report says that the types of cancer are "similar to that in the Hiroshima survivors who were exposed to ionizing radiation from the bomb and uranium in the fallout".

Researchers found a 38-fold increase in leukemia, a ten-fold increase in female breast cancer and significant increases in lymphoma and brain tumors in adults. At Hiroshima survivors showed a 17-fold increase in leukemia, but in Fallujah Dr Busby says what is striking is not only the greater prevalence of cancer but the speed with which it was affecting people."" end google search


Even so, it doesn't mean chemical attacks today should be ignored.

[truedelphi]

9. Your last statement only makes sense if

The person making it wishes to ignore history.

After all, was it not Einstein who suggested that the definition of idiocy is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?

So using logic, many people must turn against the notion that somehow we Americans can do a military strike for some notion of humanitarian reason and end up with different results.

You wanna be humanitarian, find some family members who survived the sarin gas attack and offer them solace - don't go on a bombing spree.

Or else as Sabrina_1 here on DU so wisely suggested yesterday, have the President declare it to be his sacred mission to bring Assad to the Hague. (But where are the war profits in that? And then where would be the total and necessary distraction from the wreck of the middle class, the Surveillance State now upon us, the lack of jobs, the unfairness of the economic hierarchy etc.)

Logic, inductive research of past:
Example One: We went to war in Vietnam - for HUMANITARIAN reasons, especially with various media outlets showing us that only by entering the war would the anguish of the Buddhist monks be lessened. Also, to allow them to be a democracy, freed from the rule of Communism.

result - American destruction of an entire nation, six million human being killed outright, wounded or left homeless. People still dying there from unexploded ordinance. Birth defects and cancers till resulting from Agent Orange. Over 50,000 of our se4rvice people killed. And another ten thousand who died of suicide upon their return. Despite all this, the Communists won.

Due to the instability in the region, caused by the war, Pol Pot came to supremacy in Cambodia and killed another two to three million people. Meanwhile, the US government allied itself with Pol Pot, and helped him avoid censure by the United Nation.

Example Two: We went to war in Iraq, March 2003. Humanitarian reason: to establish a democracy there, freeing the people of Iraq from their terrible and dangerous dictator.

Result: Over one million civilian casualties. Four million people made refugees. American Corporate rule established inside their national constitution, including the fact that Iraqi citizens brutally tortured by American contractors have no legal recourse against those contractors, using tht nation's court system, and that only Monsanto seed can be planted!
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You can choose to ignore Einstein, in your love for Obama. I choose to respect Einstein, as he knew what he was talking about!

[Sunlei]

11. The real history never gets published and taught. That doesn't mean we must ignore todays atrocity.

Thank God for the internet, people now have a chance to read the real history. And publish things to educate others. I read about the birth defects 10 years ago. Bush didn't allow war pictures or reports on the USA news. Read the statements there, the Leaders on the ground didn't even report back to the USA Leaders what they did.

They probably should add a ban on uranium weapons, agent orange (even diluted round-up) to the existing ban on chemical and biological weapons. Gunrunners corps will probably never allow that to happen.

I'm proud that President O stood up and said something. I'm very ashamed that so many people would let something like this mass murder be ignored.

I don't want to enter Syrias civil war or do the McCain gunrunner lobby dance and arm his rebel buddies.

I want to have Assad in an International Tribunal. Even if the USA doesn't do a damn thing. I hope someone pushes him off the ski lift, he's on vacation in Geneva again.

[truedelphi]

12. Glad you want Assad at an International Tribunal of Law.

But I feel the need to point out that one week ago, it was not McCain that got the top headlines about Syria. It was Obama stating that he wants to undertake military action, as a type of "lesson" for the leader of Syria.

And for the sake of information:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023619119

In the above link, 99th monkey shows that phosphorous and Depleted Uranium are already considered illegal and banned weapons of war. It is just that our nation's military could care less what other nations think.

[Sunlei]

13. thanks for the links. I know those things and a lot of other chemicals are deadly.

yes our military sucks right from the old days when they shot running native American toddlers for some sport.

What needs to be discussed is the current attack.

Did Assad violate international humanitarian law, which absolutely prohibits the use of chemical and biological weapons.?

What are we going to do about it? Because I agree, when gunrunner corps start selling that crap to everyone with cash, the world is in huge trouble.

It could be placed so easy in a can of food, in a fireworks, in a toy. The President is not saying, war or nothing. What can the International community do to stop this stuff from becoming common in everyones tool chest?