We will get exactly what we deserve...

[kentuck]

...if we get involved in another war in the Middle East.

If we are so stupid to believe that a bombing is not an attack and that an attack is not war, then we will get what we deserve.

If you don't remember the babies being torn out of the incubators before we went into Kuwait under Bush I, then you have some very selective memory.

If you don't know that the truth is the first casualty of war, then you have a lot to learn.

If you are persuaded by a few photos and videos, without knowing all the facts and without knowing the circumstances, and if you believe this fucking government, then we are all fucked.

[cali]

1. I tend to beleve that Assad's forces were the perpetrators

of Ghouta. So does Juan Cole. Is he an idiot?

I really think that the emphasis that some of you are placing on who used gas, is a waste of time. As far as launching an attack goes, I'm against it. period. There are dozens of solid reasons to oppose it. It doesn't hinge on insisting that rebel forces were more likely to have done it.

[H2O Man]

2. Yes, but you must

remember that Syria attacked us on 9-11, with yellow cake they bought recently in Iran.

[Link Speed]

4. I, for one, will NEVER forgive them

Syria deserves whatever the consequences may be.

Or something like that...

Lemme go turn on Fox and see what is really happening. Then, maybe, I can get some sleep tonight.

[Link Speed]

3. As I understand, there are commies in muhfuggin' Grenada

and our medical students are at risk....

And there is oil in the Gulf of Tonkin that BP really, really needs.

OMG, my hair is on fire!!

KnR, kentuck

Have I read that you, too, are a vet of that little boots-on-the-ground dust-up that followed Tonkin?

[cali]

7. Kerry supported that foul little adventure into grenada

[Link Speed]

10. I had no idea

That kind of blows me away, cali.

Speaks volumes, don't it?

Wow...

Thanks

Jeebus Fickin' Crisco, he was just years out of Vietnam.

Fucking hypocrite.

[ZombieHorde]

5. Some of the congressmen viewing the "evidence" are saying it is very flimsy.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023619877

[Cryptoad]

8. Some of the congressmen

could not critical read a comic book.........

[janlyn]

6. It's amazing isn't it how quickly people

jump into lock step with whatever our administration tells them. So far, all I have seen from our government is a release stating that, yes gas was used. And they have the" highest possible assessment" and evidence "implicates" the regime. No hard proof as several congressmen have said.

They are good!! Someone might ask " so where's the proof" and before you can say, oil and natural gas our government whips out the videos...and cue the outrage.

I have personally been outraged by the hundreds of thousands of innocent victims of our wars for profit since 2003 !

Our government could give a tin shit about the victims of their greed!!

[Cryptoad]

9. I had rather "lock step"

with Obama than give Assad Free Range to use WMD!

[janlyn]

13. They have NO real solid proof that it was Assad.

Do I think it was him? Yes, I do. But where was our outrage during the last 2 yrs? And if our government is just NOW getting outraged, is more than a little suspicious! How could it not with our politicians running around like chicken little, screaming "WMD! WMD!

Fool me once....

[Cryptoad]

24. So does this mean

that because of the GOP cluster fuck in Iraq and Afghanistan , we can not longer do what is needed to stop people like Assad?

That's faulty logic

[Mnemosyne]

22. Ever heard of Fallujah? nt

[Cryptoad]

23. Yep

you ever heard of Auschwitz

[Mnemosyne]

29. I guess you missed my point. We have no moral authority, nor moral highground, after the things

our country has done to others. Not one iota.

[ZombieHorde]

11. We need to murder innocent Syrians to teach them

that murdering Syrians is wrong.

[Salviati]

16. No, to teach them that murdering Syrians in the wrong way is wrong.

There have been over 100,000 Syrians killed in this civil war before the chemical weapons attack. I guess we didn't really care too much about those women and children, did we?

[ZombieHorde]

17. You're right. We need freedom murders! nt

[polly7]

27. Nearly half that number, I believe it's 43% ... are Assad forces and loyalists. nt.

[Salviati]

28. Indeed. It's a civil war where I'm not sure we want either side to win.

Best thing we can do is stay the heck out.

[Precisely]

12. we already have

[bhikkhu]

14. Truth is often a casualty of war, but...

does that mean if it were proven that Assad was behind the attack, you would support a war? If not, then I don't see any reason to bend over backwards and label a bunch of people liars, and the people who believe them stupid or gullible. I don't worry much about name calling myself, but it certainly doesn't lead to reasonable discussion.

Personally, looking at the evidence we have, and reading Assad's account of it, I'm fairly satisfied that the case against him is made. I don't think evidence has been manufactured to begin another reckless war, and I don't think any "yes" votes on the military strike are indictments of anyone's character. People can look at the evidence and vote their conscience, and proceed with all good intentions in either direction.

With that said, I think the whole thing should be stalled until the UN investigation releases its findings. I can understand the urgency of the administration wishing to act quickly, but I think waiting for more complete information is a better precedent, in the long view.

[kentuck]

15. They are not in a rush to war before they learn the truth...

They are in a rush to war before we learn the truth.

[bhikkhu]

25. You are saying there is a truth

but we don't know it yet, and they don't know it either?

I try not to jump to conclusions about what the truth is, but I also don't jump to conclusions about what other people know either.

[kentuck]

26. Seems to me that some folks have already jumped to conclusions?

Why else would they be asking for permission to bomb?

[GeorgeGist]

18. Osama bin rolling ...

in his grave laughing his ass off.

[Initech]

19. Hey I live in Los Angeles.

I am truly paranoid that if we attack Syria, China and/or Russia will retaliate by launching missiles at the west coast. Fuck the military industrial complex!

[Dash87]

20. What do we deserve? :(

A great deal of the country is against what the government is doing. The government is basically saying, "we don't care - you underlings don't matter to us anyways. We're going to bomb Syria whether you like it or not." Then, they would just run and hide while we took the brunt of the blowback.

[kentuck]

21. And then...

Ask for our support to put them back into office? I hope the President does not go along with this. Our country simply is not ready for another war in the Middle East. Not emotionally, not spiritually, not economically, not in anyway are we ready for another war.