"There is a contingent who love to see him fail and hate to see him win."

[WilliamPitt]

...makes DU suck.

(/meta)

[ReverendDeuce]

1. I would like to know...

So what is the pro-Obama narrative that is forming here? What is the anti-Obama narrative? I've been on the sidelines, but I just flat out don't have the patience to research the "zeitigal" mutex of what the hell is going on lately...

[Hydra]

20. I'll give you the TL:DR version

BOG Section of DU says the President planned this the whole time and he out-chessed everyone.

The rest of the group has various takes on it, so I can't say what the "anti" is. I guess we could call it the Anti-BOG reaction: "We were watching this too, and that's not what I saw."

[Motown_Johnny]

24. I don't think anyone believes this was the plan all along.

It may have been acknowledged as one possibility, but that does not make it a plan.

I think the President was planning on hitting Syria. He just took it slow (as is his style) and let all the pieces fall into place before he did it. This fell into his lap, but he was smart enough to position himself so that it could fall into his lap.

If he had attacked before going to the G-20, as most of us thought he would, then this never could have happened.

The plan was to exhaust every diplomatic solution before striking. This long shot panned out (or at least appears to have panned out at this point).

[pasto76]

36. wow you actually hit the nail on the head

which makes all of the recent hysteria seem even more ludicrous.

planning on hitting syria...._willing_ to hit syria. as he/we should have in an attempt to degrade the assad regimes capabilities to use chemical weapons again.

[kelliekat44]

53. Well is pretty irrelevant right now. nt

[Motown_Johnny]

65. and if a similar situation pops up in a year...

is it still irrelevant then?

[VanillaRhapsody]

55. Its game theory...that's how it works...

you have a contingency plan no matter what happens...

You make various plans around what the opponent decides to do..but you for sure have a plan...

[Spitfire of ATJ]

68. Actually, here's how I think it went down...

About this time last year Obama was getting hammered with questions about why we weren't getting involved in Syria and he mentioned the "red line" would be chemical weapons. Fast forward almost a year. Chemical weapons are used. The media plays "gotcha" about his prior comments and acts like children. Over half of them scream, "He crossed your red line! He crossed your red line! You HAVE to bomb him now! Neener neener neener!" Typical of Obama, he punted to Congress so they couldn't claim they had no say and he ended up with assholes like Tweety claiming if Congress votes against him "He's FINISHED as Commander In Chief" (Drama Queen much?).

Then, the G-20 summit provided an opportunity to settle this and he's grabbing it. He's trying to solve this without getting into the Syria Civil War. He wants this resolved and to move on.

[Motown_Johnny]

74. Punting to Congress = Challenging War Powers Act

The legal precedent is pretty clear. Reagan even invaded Grenada without even telling Congress he was going to do it.

Pres. Obama, by going to Congress for authorization for a relatively small military action (given how large our military actions usually are) has challenged the War Powers Act directly.

It is a pretty direct shot at Neo-Cons and Bush's preemptive strike mentality.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

75. I certainly wasn't surprised to hear Republicans flip-flop on war....

They don't actually believe in ANYTHING.

Besides tax cuts for the rich.

Hell, I'm surprised one of them didn't suggest tax cuts for the rich to solve the Syria problem.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

84. That's pretty much my take, too.

He's smart enough to see the "life jacket" floating there and is grabbing while the grabbing is good.

[Sheepshank]

87. Every decent negotiator attempts to direct the conversation

....setting it all up in the hopes that one can capitalize on it all. Would Assad have paid attention if not for assuming and believing he was in imminent danger?

It's not unique, it's not strange. What's unique is that so few are recognizing the peaceful outcome as one that had been worked on for some some time. OP was correct.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023640803

[Cryptoad]

38. Obama Punked all his Haters! nt

[BainsBane]

69. If you've been on the sidelines

count yourself lucky and leave it at that.

[In_The_Wind]

2. Yup

[SidDithers]

3. Yes, that contingent does...nt

Sid

[Pretzel_Warrior]

4. then tell them to stop attacking Obama for everything under the sun

and tell them....oh wait. Who am I kidding? Look who I'm talking to.

[WilliamPitt]

6. Yep, that's me.

[SomethingFishy]

45. Then tell them to stop praising Obama for everything under the sun

and tell them.. oh wait.. Who am I kidding? Look who I'm talking to.

[Marr]

50. I had a particularly good piece of chicken this afternoon.

I'm not sure how, but I'm certain its arrival on my plate was the culmination of some brilliant Obama plan to give me delicious chicken.

[VanillaRhapsody]

59. wait 12 hours...

Obama has a surprise for you behind that delicious chicken...

[Whisp]

78. you too!? That's why dinner tonight tasted so damned good.

Thanks, Obama!

[Cali_Democrat]

5. The truth hurts.

[hootinholler]

7. IBTL

The contingent who believes that makes DU suck these days.

[msanthrope]

8. Take it to Meta. nt

[malaise]

9. +1,000

Rec

[warrior1]

10. that's all I've seen at this

place for weeks.

Sorry Will, love ya.

[Rex]

11. That is their one and only line Will!

Don't take it away from them! Will, why do you hate Obama for his freedoms? Don't you want to see the Evil Doers punished so we can enjoy all our freedoms and not just a some?

Why do you hate puppies?

[hootinholler]

12. OH YEAH?

Well exactly when did you stop beating puppies?

[Rex]

13. When I ran out of kittens.

Duh.

[hootinholler]

14. Oh the Felinity! n/t

[Rex]

15. Hehehe...

[nashville_brook]

16. Dem culture will soon be no different that GOP culture under W

intolerant of criticism, insular, authoritarian. not exactly what folks signed up for.

[Fumesucker]

17. Soon?

You have a talent for understatement.

[nashville_brook]

19. Litotes are so undervalued.

[Whisp]

18. who You, or Obama... or is it Putin?

??

[Cryptoad]

39. Snowden Who? nt

[Hydra]

21. The attempted message control is astounding

But after hearing "Racists!" and "Ratfuckers!" and "Pooty poos!" your quote is almost tame.

[Warren Stupidity]

22. There is a contingent who, just two days ago,

was busy explaining why the only proper course of action was to unilaterally go to war against Syria. That history cannot be erased.

[Cali_Democrat]

23. Only 5% of DUers supported a strike on Syria

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023543019

[leftstreet]

25. Which made the contingent so unattractive n/t

[Cali_Democrat]

26. Only 20 votes for 'Yes' and 351 votes for 'No'

The 'Yes' contingent was virtually non-existent on DU.

[Just Saying]

35. Exactly why the whiny threads are essentially about straw men.

But don't let reality get in their way.

[tridim]

27. And I only recognize one screen name in the yes votes...

Do you support U.S. strikes against Assad's forces in Syria?
Yes:
LearningCurve, railsback, jazzimov, DontTreadOnMe, KT2000, bobGandolf, Hayabusa, denbot, jeff47, Adelante, raygons, echo4bravo, Pretzel_Warrior, zach, 4bucksagallon, Agnosticsherbet, WatermelonRat, erpowers, obnoxiousdrunk, Corgigal

So WS's "contingent" is virtually zero.

That, is why Neo-DU needs to die, it is completely dishonest.

[Richardo]

30. "DontTreadOnMe" ? Really?

Not exactly under the radar, huh?

[SomethingFishy]

49. It's not the votes it's the attitude...

The attitude that any criticism of the President is unacceptable and only done by haters, racists and people who want to see Obama fail. I spent a shitload of money on this guy, not to mention votes. I have every right to complain about policy I don't like without being called a racist or a hater.

[Andy823]

66. I agree

Everyone has the right to complain about what they don't like. The problem, at least for me, is not that people complain, it's about those who say the president is "a total failure, or he has accomplished nothing since he lied to us in 2008, or the man is the same as Bush and Reagan, and he is a warmonger. Just to name a few of the comments that go far beyond simply complaining, and into the realm of stupidity! People that actually post this kind of crap are "haters". They aren't complaining about a certain issue, since they do it over and over and over no matter what the issue happens to be, and you finding a post where they actually say something positive about the president is like looking for a needle in a haystack!

So there is no problem with complaints, only with people who show they have another agenda than simply being upset about one or two things that have gone wrong.

[Whisp]

89. you are correct.

if 'complaints' come in a semi attempt for real discussion, that is not what we/I/you are talking about at all. The superlative, absolute, black and whites where there is only extreme good (Progressives®) or extreme evil (worshippers) and nothing is shaded or nuanced.

But this fucking onslaught of the most degrading remarks made toward the President - one liners about how a low life lazy wall streeting do-nothing nothing he is, that is much much much much more frequent and that is what DU has become and I'm not going to lay down and let some of that sewage stand without a response.

And THAT is The Suckage of DU.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

85. I recognize at least 12 of those names --

Kind of surprised at a few, actually. And I see quite a few members that were very vocal in their support but are missing from that poll.

[NoOneMan]

29. A loud 5%

[Union Scribe]

48. For one thing,

5% can be a contingent. For another, not many pro-war posters announce in so many words they are pro-war. There are a lot of names missing there. And let's say you're right: that just means that a loud and grating 5% of people are the ones being talked about.

[Cali_Democrat]

52. The pro-war contingent on DU is virtually non-existent. n/t

[Union Scribe]

56. Compared to the rest of us. But again,

I didn't fucking imagine the posts about missiles being the proper course. How diplomacy had failed because of Russia and China so we HAD to strike. You're not going to convince anyone outside a certain subset here, especially using a poll mainly used to express displeasure at the prospect of war, that those people aren't around and that they aren't now acting like Obama fooled everyone but them.

[nashville_brook]

54. if organized 5% can be a contingent.

[VanillaRhapsody]

60. Mine was to unilaterally take out the Chemical Weapons if necessary...turns out it wasn't

Obama's got this!

[Skittles]

28. are you just now seeing this, William?

the folk saying that bullshit have made DU a mockery for quite some time

[WilliamPitt]

31. No

but I finally decided to risk a locked thread to point it out.

[NYC_SKP]

32. LOL!

This is the most brilliant post I've seen all day!

[Cha]

46. Why? Just because you

said it? It's always the other guy that makes DU suck.. never them.

There's really no fucking denying that there are those who want PBO to fail. It's disingenuous to act like an innocent little victim when called on it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3632661

First he was a warmonger".. now it's Putin who deserves the credit. Now it's only amusing to watch human beings twisting themselves into pretzels.

Actually, your quote doesn't make DU suck.. Meta does.

[NYC_SKP]

67. LOL @ "No, Obama does not got this."

[Cha]

71. ..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110214784

Maybe I should post this on that thread?

[4bucksagallon]

82. Yes, he still has my vote of confidence. n/t

[MADem]

79. There it is.

[sheshe2]

83. Let's play name this song~

Poor poor poor me
Poor poor pitiful me
Poor poor poor me
Poor poor pitiful me
Poor poor poor me
Poor poor pitiful me


LINDA RONSTADT -
POOR POOR PITIFUL ME LYRICS

http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/l/linda_ronstadt/poor_poor_pitiful_me.html

Cha

[Just Saying]

34. There is a contingent who love to play the victim

....makes DU suck.

Just debate the issues instead of worrying about labels. Simple.

[Cha]

47. Whoa.. bingo. Just sayin'

[backscatter712]

37. Gotta love that crowd...

I'm a guy who praises Obama when he does things right, and criticizes him when he doesn't.

[TheKentuckian]

40. Who gives a damn? These folks are what and who they are, let them have their dumbass jollies

The important thing is we get off the bombing and eventually buying Syria track, the region maintains as much stability as possible, the secular governance in Syria continues, and that we don't foolishly bomb the village in order to save it building up a pile of corpses an order of magnitude greater than those killed by the weapons we would be trying to stop like a bunch of idiots.

All hail the prescient and omnipotent Lord Obama!!!

What ever.

My only question is why the fuck are they howling like they've been stuck with a white hot knife, calling everyone racists, and horndogs for Putin? Well, it is Tuesday.

[carolinayellowdog]

41. "contingent" is the most BLATANT case of projection I've ever seen

The other day they kept ranting about "a group" that hate Obama, but in fact there is only one Group in this drama. The rest of us are just a random assortment of sane DUers, the antiwar 99%. Feelings about Obama in this alleged but imaginary group (an Evil Other created to give the real Group coherence in its paranoid worldview) are all over the board. Most of us still like parts or aspects of him but Syria managed to unite everyone except the most authoritarian 1% against him on this particular issue.

On a Kinsey scale of love him 0 to hate him 6, or vice versa for that matter, I waver between 3 and 4 myself, but the ones who totally absolutely love him are a million times worse than anyone I've seen on the hater end of the scale-- if there really are any at all. Filled with hate for everyone from 1 through 6-- those zeroes make DU suck.

[nashville_brook]

58. i think you're spot-on here...it's the intolerance for everything except their

very narrow definition of acceptable genuflecting that makes things suck. the authoritarianism drives people away...but I think they know that.

[Maedhros]

70. They cannot separate policy from personality.

Notice how all the threads and posts are either a) motivational poster collages glorifying the President like a pop star or b) condescending vitriol for "haters". It's all about loyalty to/perceived slight of Obama the personality, rather than argument for/against proposed policy.

Some of us have been very consistent in our stance against war and degradation of the Constitution, through multiple Administrations, yet this is interpreted as "doing anything to drag Obama down" when it involves the most recent policies. They are just missing the picture entirely.

[jsr]

76. The constant rationalizations and revisionist contortions match the juvenile swooning

It's pathetic, if not comical.

[VanillaRhapsody]

63. bullshit....Just because someone backed Obama on this...and we are talking Chemical Weapons

here....because they agree with Obama on that...not because they are "warmongers" as your little "epithet of authoritarian" that you use. Just because it is sugar coated....words still have meaning. "IF" there are any at all? And YOU think YOU are some middle ground?

Whatever gave you THAT Idea?

[Raksha]

90. "The antiwar 99%." That phrase has a very nice ring to it. n/t

[tkmorris]

42. Fuckin' A right it does

I'm sick of it. Somebody earlier flat out said that DUers who criticize Obama did so because they were racist. What the HELL is this place turning into? (Yeah, yeah, I know, /getoffmylawn).

[shenmue]

44. Indeed

Glad someone else noticed. It's like someone released a bunch of fire ants into the room. Just ouch ouch ouch.

[VanillaRhapsody]

51. Why yes...yes there is

[leveymg]

57. Let's give him credit when we really know there was a happy ending. In the meantime, peace.

People can think and say what they want about Obama.

I'm just glad we're not a week into another war right now.

[Union Scribe]

62. You're right.

This thing still needs to be deftly guided, and if Obama and other international leaders manage it the cause of peace is advanced.

[Bluenorthwest]

73. I do not understand the territorial post mortem on a dynamic and continuing

process involving the lives of others. I don't get celebrating any mission that is not fully accomplished.

[PrestonLocke]

61. All of this QQ from obama 'haters'/lovers is quite the sob story

[Roland99]

64. That's bullcrap

There are people who are critical of him when need be (as in his push for attacking Syria) and are critical, too, when the WH tries to claim this was their plan all along. Another pile of hogwash

[liberal_at_heart]

72. I can tell I'm going to have to use the trash button a lot over the next couple of days.

The childish he deserves credit he doesn't deserve credit thing is getting on my nerves. Personally I don't care how the deal came about. I'm glad it may save us from getting involved in a regional civil war. But the whole Obama is a brilliant chess player who always knows his next move and always has everything under control is definitely annoying.

[JoePhilly]

77. Endless speculative outrage OPs is what makes DU suck.

And now that this particular speculative outrage seems to be passing ... I'm fairly confident that a new one will arrive shortly to replace it.

[TheMadMonk]

80. Which is worse? The DU contingent which wants him to do his job?

Or the weathercocks, who deny, deny, deny, until the admission, and defend, defend, defend positions diametrically opposed to those THEY THEMSELVES took when George Bush was in power.


Those who want him to fail for the sake of failure, are few and far between, and for the most part buried under a slab of virtual granite.


On the other hand, since the Assange Reveal, and even more so since Snowden's, DU has been flooded with many many "defenders of the program".

AND then there were the PRIMARIES where DU split into three broad factions. Those who blindly supported everything Hillary, those who blindly supported everything Obama, and a handful of idiots who just wanted a functional democracy.

[ProSense]

81. "That was pretty goddamned incoherent, frankly."

That was pretty goddamned incoherent, frankly.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023641684

[felix_numinous]

86. Screw anyone who thinks I want President Obama to fail.

I have had ENOUGH of the juvenile arrested development oversimplified world view that to disagree with bombing is wanting the President to fail.

Being against war or disagreeing with policy is MY RIGHT, and I will continue to voice it whenever and however I wish. I have always been respectful and civilized and will continue to do so.

Projecting that we need to treat him with kid gloves is demeaning and implies he cannot handle the truth from us. Screw that noise.

[MineralMan]

88. Yes, that contingent does make DU suck.

Glad to see you recognizing it.

[markiv]

91. I wanted Gilligan to succeed

but my hopes had nothing to do with his screwing up and keeping everyone stuck on the island