Why can't some people take "Yes" for an answer?

[last1standing]

People are crying because Obama is doing what they wanted him to do and other people are busy insulting those people because Obama listened to what they had to say.

Can't we all just be happy for once that more violence and destruction has been averted?

Just take "Yes" for a fucking answer.

[Rex]

1. Obama did not unilaterally invade Syria

and went to Congress for a vote! How that has pissed some off here, is a mystery to me.

[last1standing]

2. Who the fuck cares?

We're using diplomacy over bombs. Can't we all take five minutes to celebrate that without accusing the "Other Side" of being racist or mean?

[Rex]

4. Evidently a lot of people care if you had to make an OP about it.

Not me.

[last1standing]

6. Lol! True that.

Sorry, I'm just cranky that no one seems to care that things might actually have a less violent solution and instead everyone is busy slamming the other side for the things they supported one day ago.

[Fumesucker]

8. The "bomb bomb bomb Syria" crew are now singing "He never meant it all along" without missing a beat

I think that's what's irritating some here, the rapidity and unanimity with which people can change their opinions, it's like watching a school of herring or a murmuration of starlings, it would be awe inspiring if it wasn't so frustrating.

[Rex]

10. AH

I've not been reading the 'bomb bomb bomb Syria' crew threads. Thanks!

[Fumesucker]

12. Then who were those who were arguing against bombing arguing with?

It's gotten to the point allegations of racism and hero worship among others are flying thick and fast.

[Rex]

13. When did racism enter into the picture?

I missed that one too.

[Fumesucker]

16. Racism is a big component of ODS as I understand it

And claims of ODS are thrown around quite liberally on DU these days.

[Rex]

18. AH okay, thought maybe it was a Putin/Obama thing.

Yeah I have seen that in general. Thought it might be something new or new talking points. Hard to keep up with so much information coming from all directions.

[seabeyond]

21. i thought the argument was more, there had to be retribution for a leader killing his own innocent

children with chemical weapons than bomb bomb bomb.

wasnt the whole issue those that felt we could not stand by and allow, and those that felt there was nothing that we could/should do and we should stand by and do nothing?

[Fumesucker]

23. "Retribution" + "No boots on the ground" = "Bombing campaign"

Not really any other way to do the whole retribution thing, if you were arguing for the one and not the other then the number of options is severely limited.

[seabeyond]

29. but... there is another way and obama and others found it. they may have thought that

it would have to be strikes, but they found others ways to solve the issue.

it is not about bombs, as your diagram proves. it is about retribution with use of chemical weapons.

that is a good thing. that is what we want in a leader. right?

[Fumesucker]

39. I don't see the "retribution" part

Of course I didn't really see it in the bombing campaign either, at least not in the sense of actually hurting the people responsible.

Interesting that Putin comes off looking like the peacemaker after he took a sarcastic Kerry statement seriously.

Grandmaster Vlad from Leningrad is learning some new variations evidently.

[Just Saying]

22. Never happened.

Prove someone called you racist for opposing bombing Syria like 95% of those here at DU.

Likely you were arguing with people who opposed bombing but weren't willing to attack the President for believing it was necessary. You created a strawman so you have someone to fight.

[Fumesucker]

42. I didn't say someone called me racist

I said I've seen the allegation used here on DU from one DUer to another.

In actual fact I haven't said much at all lately about Syria, you can search if you wish.

[Just Saying]

14. Because they don't really exist.

Support for bombing here was tiny. People make this crap up because they need a strawman to attack.

[Rex]

15. I am behind then, how did racism enter the picture?

I don't read DU for a day or so and comeback to all new material.

[Just Saying]

17. It didn't.

Never happened and I challenge him or her to prove otherwise.

[last1standing]

25. Challenge accepted.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023636995

And save me any weasel words. We both know what the OP was saying.

[Just Saying]

32. Yes, she was saying there are those who are racist and hate Obama.

We both also know that's 100% true. If you don't think there are racists here, you clearly didn't engage in any of the Zimmerman threads.

But no, I don't believe he or she called you racist for being against bombing Syria, as is your claim, since that issue isn't mentioned. For all we know, that poster also opposed bombing. The OP talks about Obama being smarter than most here which I wholeheartedly agree with. I don't think it was necessary to mention race to make the point, but neither is it necessary to pretend it doesn't exist.

So I'll give you a half point on that one and I'm being generous. Anyone else?

[last1standing]

35. More weasel words from a poster who refuses to be wrong.

Some people would rather spread hatred than accept being wrong.

And that's also being generous.

[Just Saying]

38. Personally attacking me

And calling names will always say more about you than me. People capable of real debate don't have to stoop to such tactics.

But enjoy your target to lash out at.

[last1standing]

41. If it didn't apply to you then it wasn't directed at you.

Isn't that the qualifier the other thread used? You agreed with that.

[Just Saying]

46. Sure, whatever you say.

I have a saying I live by. I won't use the words I normally do as they'd be against what I understand to be the rules here, but basically it's that there's no excuse for lowering my own ethics and standards just because I'm dealing with someone who doesn't share them.

[last1standing]

26. Right here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023636995

[Rex]

28. I just now read that thread.

[last1standing]

30. Stunning that it didn't get hidden.

I alerted it and another calling Obama supporters racist. Only the latter was hidden.

We don't have to agree on policies or even motivations but there should be a limit as to how uncivil and hateful we can be at DU.

[Fumesucker]

20. Then who were the anti-bombing crowd arguing with?

Seriously, the arguments over to bomb or not to bomb have been long and gotten fairly personal.

Just saying.

[Just Saying]

24. Anyone who won't call the President a warmonger,

Claim he's just like Bush, etc. It's possible to be against the bombing and still understand why the President felt compelled to act. There are a handful that thought we should bomb and yes, I saw the names they were called.

People need to worry more about debating issues and less about attacking anyone who disagrees with them. It's like junior high around here most of the time.

[Fumesucker]

31. Thirteen years is a long time to be deranged

I had Bush Derangement Syndrome for eight years and now I've had Obama Derangement Syndrome for going on another five or so, what price sanity?

Name calling? I thought "Peace Puritans" had a nice alliterative ring to it.

[Just Saying]

34. I never called you either.

Or anything for that matter. You asked a question and I answered you based on my experiences here.

I'm smart enough to debate without having to label and personally attack others here.

[Fumesucker]

43. I didn't say you had, just pointing out an example of name calling just like you did

Or is it not OK for me to do what you did?

[Just Saying]

44. You can do whatever you like

But I'm not sure what the name calling you pointed out has to do with the question you asked me.

[snappyturtle]

33. Did you hear about this? Happened before Senate vote delay.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023639756

There's a video down thread in the link.

[Rex]

36. Yes I just read that thread!

Interesting times we live in! What do you make of it? Will all parties stay in agreement or will one of us jump the shark?

[snappyturtle]

37. Anybody's guess at this point but the message was

crystal clear....wasn't it? I just see this statement of Putin's
throwing a crowbar into all the fast and furious diplomatic
efforts being made.

[Rex]

40. Well like I said in that OP

'President' Putin...that is a joke! Like he was freely elected to office! NEVER trust a dictator...imo...

[snappyturtle]

45. The more I think about this I wonder if it doesn't shove

the 'red line' remark smack in the face of the President?

[sibelian]

3. Who is this directed at?

Can you link to a post to which your OP seems to be a reasonable response?

[last1standing]

5. It's directed at everyone who can't take a minute to celebrate diplomacy.

There are far, far too many posts to link.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. Your assertion is predicated on the crisis being resolved but it isn't, at least yet./nt

[last1standing]

9. No, it's not resolved but we are using diplomacy which wasn't the case yesterday.

We should be celebrating that instead of spitting venom at each other for at least a minute or so.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. Diplomacy is fine. It should always be the first and very next to last option.

I just am not convinced this crisis is close to being resolved.

[seabeyond]

19. i am thinking the same. i would think everyone on du would be cheering.

instead. it is as ugly as it gets.

[orenbus]

27. Putin: Syria chemical arms handover will work only if US calls off strike