Told you the President wasn't going to war in Syria, but NOOOOO, nobody listens to me

[snooper2]

LOL...

All the threads back and forth blah blah blah wasted bandwidth on the Intertubes. Next time listen to the Snooper The Snooper is wise like Templeton getting words for Charlotte.






So after the President doesn't attack/invade Syria.. Thu Aug 29, 2013, 09:49 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023556275

[Comrade Grumpy]

1. Congratulations, but it ain't over 'til it's over.

[mick063]

2. He lobbied hard for it.

His Secretary of State lobbied hard for it.

The American people, voicing dissent to their Congressman and the President, stopped it.

You know this.

[snooper2]

3. The president gave a threat and the, threat won

sing it

[mick063]

4. Spin

I can't wait to see the spin for TPP.

Let's hear it. Or are we waiting for blind fate to rescue the President again?

[Andy823]

20. It's amazing isn't it

No matter what you are not going to give the president credit for anything, are you?

I don't see the "blind" faith you talk about, however I do see a complete lack of faith by posters like you. I mean you are the one who says the president is a "colossal failure" right? So if that's your view it obvious what you real agenda is.

[snooper2]

23. A failed Presidency

you aren't real good at this yet are you? What is your YouTube channel?

[pkdu]

44. "A failed Presidency"....Please read the TOS before voting , they are very specific....

Wow....a Democrat.

[brush]

38. He "lobbied" hard for it . . .

. . . "apparently". Please look deeper. The lobbying by he, Kerry and Rice were diplomatic feints that fooled a lot of people, including many here on DU and in the press.

He didn't have to lobby at all. He could have just gone ahead and did the strikes under the War Powers act like Bush/Cheney did so often. He instead flipped the script and sent it to Congress because he knew it wouldn't pass.

He therefore bought time, resumed his talks on Syrian surrender of the chem weapons at the G20 with Putin (it came out that they had spoken of the surrender a year ago at the 2012 G20 also), then dispatched Secretary Kerry to make his "gaffe" mention of possible Syrian weapons surrender, which Putin quickly agreed to.

That was no gaffe and this all was no accident. Obama, Kerry and Putin are not stupid men. IMO they were all in on the gaffe/olive branch. Putin bought Assad along, who I think was very willing to get out of a sticky situation — plus he most likely remembered what happened to Bin Ladin. Assad is not a stupid man either. He knows O has a rep. Just ask Bin Ladin or the Somali pirates.

[Egalitarian Thug]

5. It did knock the NSA off the front page.

Mission Accomplished?

[Lifelong Dem]

40. Something was bound to come up knocking NSA off the screen

But I'd be pointing my finger at Syria for setting off the poison. How dare they fight a civil war causing a distraction while NSA is our top story.

[KittyWampus]

6. Way too early yet to be counting eggs.

[Hutzpa]

7. Alright then, you have won yourself

a big keg of cheese.

[Benton D Struckcheon]

8. Kudos

So, like, what's the Dow doin on Monday, O Great & Wise One?

[SidDithers]

9. You don't understand...

Obama didn't go to war with Syria because of the outrage expressed at DU.

Sid

[Comrade Grumpy]

10. In this case, DU seemed to reflect public opinion.

Parliament told Cameron to fuck off with his war.

Public opinion here was strongly against it.

Obama was likely to lose a vote in Congress.

I give Obama credit for not cowboying this all by his lonesome.

[dionysus]

11. and.. it was all a distraction to make people forget about snowaldo-rama!

[treestar]

13. LOL

So true!

[ocpagu]

19. True.

Because of the outrage expressed at DU and all over social networks, comments on news stories, forums, discussion pages, online communities, protests in the streets of the US and worldwide, independent media, some journalists at mainstream media, British parliament vote, US congress reluctance, and Putin's intervention.

If public opinion was the same shared by the WH cheerleaders here, the US military would be gladly destroying Syria by now.

[VanillaRhapsody]

39. They'd like to think so Sid...

[cthulu2016]

12. Your contempt for the President is noted

Myself, I think that when Obama says he is prepared to bomb someone I believe him.

You assume he is lying... which is just your view of the man. But it is not mine.

[snooper2]

27. Our President is badass..

But, there are some that have access to the Intertubes and free time to BASH!

most people get online to complain-

How many times have you looked at a forum about toasters and saw someone post- "Man, I paid $17.65 for this toaster and it is perfect!

Rarely, because most people like spending their time online beeyatching


It's cool though. I'll post this thread in the midst of the 2014 election cycle as a reminder By the way, if you had read any of my other responses you would learn. When our President makes a "threat", he ain't fucking around.

[Marr]

30. So you'd cheer for war, too, then-- were it to happen.

You say his threats weren't empty, and he was sincere about going to war in Syria if certain conditions were not met.

But you also insist the peaceful disposal of chemical weapons was his plan all along.

Ok, well-- I assume we both agree that the man isn't omniscient. Assuming your construction is correct, it was possible that no deal would be hit upon, and you would be left cheering for the righteousness of the war. So where does the "told you so" come in? I don't see any principled position here beyond loyalty to Barrack Obama.

And something about toasters.

[snooper2]

31. Knocking out some missile silos isn't a big deal

The whole middle east is fucked up. Whoever gets power in Syria will be somewhat of a hardline fundie. At least we can guarantee whoever comes into power doesn't have chemical weapons. If you or anybody else doesn't think the President is thinking about other impacts in the region, well....

We can keep talking about toasters

[Marr]

32. snooper2 says striking Syria is "not a big deal".

Yes, I'm sure it would be a "cake walk".

[snooper2]

35. 65,000 troops on the ground

versus a couple Tomahawk missiles

maybe wrong verbiage, but not comparable-

[Marr]

36. Where did 65,000 troops on the ground come into it?

Striking Syria would be small potatoes compared to an invasion of giant, nuclear-powered robots, too-- but we aren't talking about giant, nuclear-powered robots.

[Hekate]

46. snooper2 said "missile silos" -- there's a difference. nt

[Rex]

14. I said from day one he was not looking to invade Syria.

Easy to tell these kinda things; are we in Syria on the ground shelling buildings? No. High probability we won't be in 6 months either.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

15. Thanks to the British Parliament.

[Sand Wind]

16. Lol

[VanillaRhapsody]

41. they cannot simply.... will not...give this President any credit..it is ALWAYS somebody else...

that is the pattern.

They will cheer anyone else...including but not limited to Vlad Putin! It is both amazing and disgusting to watch at the same time

[Jamaal510]

17. I'm starting to see a pattern here,

whether it's with this or whether it's the Chained-CPI madness from several months ago. People really ought to wait things out to see what happens before losing their minds.

[Douglas Carpenter]

18. is it possible that the public "loosing their minds" is a big part of the reason why things like

Chained-CPI or intervening with military force in a sectarian Middle Eastern civil war don't happen?

[davidpdx]

37. The pattern is the loud knee-jerk section of DU

Words like war-monger, sell-out, weak, spineless, etc. have been used to describe Obama over the last 10 months or so. When they are proved wrong don't expect them to admit it. They'll be too busy with the next knee-jerk reaction.

[VanillaRhapsody]

42. or giving all the credit to someone...anyone....else...

[FreeJoe]

22. Yeah, he planned it, right?

He planned to have Kerry wonder off his talking points. The immediate retractions from the White House were just a mistake.

Seriously, I'm thrilled that the attack was called off. I think that the destruction of weapons is likely to be a farce, if it happens, but it is still better than a deadly, expensive, ineffectual attack that further erodes respect for international law and congress's responsibility for declaring war. I agreed much more with candidate Obama when he said that attacks like that were unconstitutional rather than President Obama who feels above such limits.

[joshcryer]

25. He always had options.

He is not a fortune teller but it's clear he took the right options at the right moments. If he was the way people say here he would've taken the wrong options or the warmongering options. He didn't.

[Marr]

33. ...

[VanillaRhapsody]

43. It was NOT a gaffe....they have been working on this for a long long time...

time had finally run out on Putin and Assad.

[joshcryer]

24. Didn't tridim also make a betting prediction?

No one took 'em up on it iirc.

[gopiscrap]

26. Sure didn't look that way for awhile and the threat of war is not over

I keep praying that we don't go in!

[Marr]

28. What do you think initially stopped him? Trusting fans?

Public sentiment was the biggest set of brakes on that train.

[eridani]

29. Massive public opposition here and abroad had nothing whatsoever to do with it

I do give him a lot of credit for seeing a peacful solution and jumping on it, of course.

[Incitatus]

34. Excuse us for overestimating the power of the MIC.

Or maybe the MIC underestimated the power of the opposition.

Of course, the end of this story isn't over yet.


With billions in profit at stake for another war, who knows what will be done for avarice. The powers that stand to profit from war and defense $ certainly won't give up after this, even if they do lose an attack on Syria.

Maybe I'm too cynical, but I refuse to take what I'm fed by the media or government at face value.

[snooper2]

45. who are the three leaders of the MIC?

[Incitatus]

48. 3?

I didn't know there were just 3. I know there are billions to be made from war and believe some in the position to gain will do whatever it takes to create reasons for more war spending, like the lies that led us to Iraq. The Carlyle Group is one entity that comes to mind. I do hope Obama won't be influenced or coerced by such powers and that he is really the person I voted for. I think the threats Eisenhower warned us about are very real, but an aware population and strong leaders can beat them.

Like I said, I am pretty cynical, but I really do hope that Obama is with us. I just find it very hard to trust anyone, but I will never vote for a Republican.

[snooper2]

47. ROFL, where did all the anti-Obama he is a part of the MIC "Same as Bush" tools go?

A different website or just finally clean the back of the fridge?