Thanks Obama!

[joshcryer]

[gopiscrap]

1. Yes

[NYC_SKP]

2. Pfffft. The man can't even make up his mind...

K/R

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[Maraya1969]

8. Oh shit that's funny......!

[joshcryer]

10. Ahahaha!

That's ... actually something I could see my fundie acquaintances saying.

[Rex]

28. I think you captured the heart of the GOP mindset.

Plus that is helluva funny stuff!

[Jamaal510]

3. I wonder

what's going to be on the menu for October's outrage...

[Summer Hathaway]

4. Well, until the new fall 'Poutrage!' season begins

we're stuck with reruns.

Notice all the "he let the war criminals walk", "he didn't fight for single-payer", "he let Wall Street off the hook" posts popping up?

The kids have to content themselves with reruns, in between quoting RW news sources, and drooling over Putin.

Ya can't blame them, though - they really have nothing better to do.

[BenzoDia]

5. Obama care no doubt.

Even if it's incredibly successful there's going to be outrage.

[Marr]

7. I can tell you what's coming up.

The possible appointment of Larry Summers (a sop to the 1%), the Trans-Pacific Partnership (a sop to the 1%), and the Keystone XL pipeline (a sop to the 1%).

That's ignoring the inevitable budget battle, of course-- and I'd be shocked if we don't see a renewed effort to cut Social Security and other popular programs that actually help people other than the 1%.

[sheshe2]

12. Hmmmm I am sure they will think of something.

[Sand Wind]

6. Here we go

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[cui bono]

17. That "joke" with Angelina Jolie is pretty distasteful.

I would love for you to consider editing it out.

[joshcryer]

25. I concur.

She got implants, which every double mastectomy recipient should get, for free. As well as DNA testing for women over 30 which would determine whether or not a woman had faulty BRC1 / BRC2 genes and could make that decision for themselves.

The "thanks Obama" joke falls flat there since she is a multi-millionaire who is fully able to have complete control over her health care, both physically and aesthetically (she even got the nipple preserving surgery, which most people can't afford, and who require tattoos). I should say that shouldn't detract from her choice to open up about the nature of her health, but it certainly is a slap in the face to those who don't have that option.

[cui bono]

27. That's not why I find it distasteful, though I agree that everyone should have access to those tests

and health care in general. It's not Jolie's fault she is in the position she is in. She has done a lot of good in the world and I believe that one of the reasons she went public with her situation was to call attention to what you descibe.

My problem with it is I think it is sexist and objectifies women and is simply crude. That subject matter should not be used to make a joke like that. Extremely insensitive.

[joshcryer]

31. I find it distasteful for those reasons, as well.

But I think that if you take the "thanks Obama meme" literally, it's far more than that. It's supposed to be ironic. While Jolie has been a very outspoken advocate of breast cancer she was lucky that she was able to get the treatment she did and she basically didn't have to go through what so many survivors had to go through, so from a "thanks Obama meme" perspective, it's being used wrong. Jolie has breasts, and her original nipples, unlike many many other survivors of breast cancer / double mastectomies. I hope in the future the medical access she had is a given right for people in this country if not the world. The entire process from DNA testing to reconstruction (women shouldn't have to face body dimorphism just because their genetics aren't the best). I didn't intend to bash Jolie, for the record, I just felt the meme was out of place, and wrongly used which is why I pointed that out.

Otherwise, yeah, it is definitely objectifying and debasing, to be sure. The meme should be removed. Not just because it's incorrect or because it makes an issue out of something that isn't an issue (Jolie from her own perspective is not having to suffer body dimorphism), but because it's using her as an object.

[pinboy3niner]

26. Going public to inform & educate others was a very positive, brave, admirable thing for Jolie to do

And boob jokes about someone who had to face that disease and that ordeal and the difficult decisions involved are entirely inappropriate. The others are fine, but the Jolie joke graphic really should be edited out.

[Cha]

9. Give it a day.. PBO's on the

tv tomorrow

[joshcryer]

11. I was just shocked to sign into DU and seeing normal posts.

As opposed to all the drama threads. It's kind of boring around here now. I guess I'll be leaving GD again.

[Control-Z]

13. You noticed that too?

Where have all the haters gone? Crickets today.

[joshcryer]

14. I wouldn't have known a deal was made otherwise.

I signed in went to GD and it was like, "OK, good news maybe." Went to LBN, saw the deal was agreed upon, then realized why we got crickets.

(Note: this was on my phone, I don't tend to post on my phone, it takes too long.)

[Control-Z]

15. I too am posting from my phone.

Even in phone speak I believe we're both on the same quiet page.

[cui bono]

16. Don't forget to thank Congress as well since they were going to vote "no".

And of course the people who were against strikes from the beginning who let their voices be heard.

Good group effort!

[joshcryer]

18. Meh, GOP Congress doesn't deserve thanks.

Anyone could've predicted how they'd vote on anything regarding Obama. Obama didn't have to take it to Congress (SCOTUS precedent) but he did, knowing what the vote would be. I think Obama would've struck without the overwhelming response not to do so, mind you, but by taking it to Congress he gave himself an easy out. He always had options.

But I still think I'm saddened by the fact that DU outrage simply dropped significantly thanks to Obama's choice on this matter, whether he "got lucky" or not. DU was so entertaining these past few weeks and now GD is its boring old self again.

Thanks Obama!

[cui bono]

19. I think DU's entertainment value depends on your perspective.

[joshcryer]

20. But the drama is dead!

It's dead! Gone! Look at GD! A few old threads still being kicked but they're tired and boring at this point (simply people kicking them to respond to people a day or so later).

Hopefully we get some drama for the coming sequester, but I doubt it. The GOP can do no wrong here. Maybe it'll be Obamacare as another poster pointed out but I don't see that happening until 2014 when reforms start really kicking in. I dunno. It's disappointing. I don't post in GD much because it's too varied and there aren't many topics I'm dedicated to, so I'm off to subgroups to go have my drama for now.

[cui bono]

21. The GOP can do no wrong where? n/t

[joshcryer]

22. In GD!

When was the last time there was a 300+ post thread with 100+ recs against the GOP? I can't even remember.

[cui bono]

23. Wow. You're quite mistaken if you think GD is pro-GOP.

Where do you see that? Links?

[joshcryer]

24. More like GOP-ambivalent.

You're trying to get me to prove a negative, while not impossible, it would require me to effectively go back many months and count all the GOP-ambivalent posts and calculate all of the GOP-bashing posts, which in effect is an impossible task. If you're not a frequenter of GD then I suppose there's no way to convince you of this, and all I can do is making a convincing argument, since it's just something beyond my ability to prove objectively. Sorry.

Note: the opposite of this is much easier to prove, all you have to do is go back a few pages, if you think I'm wrong, and find a GOP bashing post with 300+ posts and 100+ recs and it would be easy, if you actually believe it, to disprove my view.

Since I just did that I am certain that my view is correct. On my journey I found a post saying the Democratic Party isn't doing it's job, that Putin is correct, Obama's legacy is Aristocratic, Liberals without a conscious, might take a break if Obama nominates Summers, anti-GMO hysteria, Kerry meeting with Kissenger, Greenwald promotes racists. That's 5 pages. I'm too bored to go further, but you should, I hope, get the point.

edit: made a few typos and needed to edit anyway, but I went to page 10, it's the same basic formula. Obama bad, Obama bad, Obama bad. 2 out of 3 big posts bash Obama. Out of those that support him, the sentiment is negative toward Obama. You'd think Obama is the worst President ever going by this.

[cui bono]

30. I don't think I'm trying to get you to prove a negative.

But to your point, criticizing Obama is hardly a pro-GOP position.

That is a false idea that people keep posting on here lately, especially with the whole Putin thing and also with Rand Paul and the NSA fiasco. Criticizing one person doesn't mean you are inline with another person. And agreeing with someone on one or two points doesn't mean you have the same principles as them overall.

There's nothing wrong with criticizing those who needs to be criticized and agreeing with those who make a good point no matter where they stand politically. Better to have principles and beliefs to guide you in that than to simply stand behind one person or party because they are supposedly your "team". It's just not that simple.

[joshcryer]

33. I didn't say "pro-GOP"!

Stop saying I said that! I think more effort is simply expanded against Obama / Democrats than being expended anti-GOP! That's all!

[cui bono]

34. Okay! That's how I interpreted you saying "the GOP can do no wrong". Sorry.

[malaise]

37. I really wanted their votes on the record

Still Thanks Obama - this is way better than bombs

[pinboy3niner]

29. Okay Josh, you win

You found a way to bring Jimmy back! You sly devil, you!

[joshcryer]

32. Haha, love ya pinboy3niner.

I suspect you've disagreed with some of my Syria opinions as of late, but I'm glad and I know we're both glad, even, that this thing is being handled diplomatically. You probably know I'd be all up on an R2P solution in Syria, though, but that'd just make me more enemies here if I announced such a position. I think it's a tragedy what's going on there. There were some nights I couldn't sleep after doing "research."

This world really gets to me and how it handles itself. I yearn for a day we can have true peace and prosperity. I may never live to see it. I still wish.

Be well, my man.

[pinboy3niner]

35. I think we'd both catch some flak for our shared views on R2P

To me, a key part of making such grave decisions on use of military force is weighing the realistic odds of achieving the humanitarian objective and the risks of such action causing or leading to more human harm than the human harm it is intended to deter or prevent. That's where Syria fails the test.

In acting under R2P, sometimes discretion is the better part of valor.

I love you, too, Josh. But don't give up on GD just yet. A drama hiatus around here doesn't tend to last very long these days...

You be well, too, my man. See ya in the funny papers.

[joshcryer]

36. You ease my mind.

I've been conflicted on R2P with regards to Syria, but I think ultimately I'm inclined to agree. It would "fail the test." There's no way it could really be implemented in that scenario. It's not like the Ivory Coast where Laurent Gbagbo was ousted after claiming to be the winner of the elections (which everyone disputed) and a protracted battle. Oh, or another event we're both familiar with.

I weep for Syria, in any event, I can't choose a side and I can't figure out how it's going to end peacefully and I hate that both Russia and the US are arming their respective sides and just exasperating the situation. I've stopped watching videos / reading about the Syrian situation because it killed my sleep schedule. I almost hate myself for it because it's an issue that bares ones consideration, but it's too much for someone to divulge in when it's clear there's no realistic solution.

I miss tabatha and my last correspondence with her regarded Syria. She was really upset about it. She never responded to my position. I think she has the worst of it of anyone I know.

[Scurrilous]

38. K & R