Legal Loophole Allows New Belt-Fed AR-15 That Sprays Bullets Like a Machine Gun

[onehandle]

A new belt-fed AR-15 military-style assault rifle can fire rounds as fast as fully-automatic machine guns -- and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) says that a legal loophole means that the gun is perfectly legal in the United States.

CNN reported this week that Texas-based Slide Fire's new SFS BFR semiautomatic rifle would be available this fall for $6,000. The weapon can potentially hold thousands of round of ammunition because it is fed by a belt instead of a traditional magazine.

And according to Shooting Times, the company's special stock uses the rifle's recoil to trigger the next round, resulting in a possible fire rate of 800 rounds per minute.

"It sprays like a fire hose," Slide Fire sales and marketing manager Brandon Renner told CNN. "We recommend no more than 30 rounds on the belt, but one person could make it as big as they want."

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/legal-loophole-allows-new-belt-fed-ar-15-spr

Keep it up, gun industry. Tick tock...

[KG]

1. well, it's a good thing only responsible gun owners will own them.

[malaise]

2. Because the only thing this planet needs is more bullets

being fired by raving lunatics and gun goons.

[Junkdrawer]

3. Stock of this company just went up....

http://www.bulletblocker.com/bulletproof-school-safety-protection.html

[Duckhunter935]

7. Why, it does not work for rifle rounds

even from an old bolt action rifle or an old semi-auto rifle.

" Rifle protection
Rifle rounds require Level III or Level IV Ballistic Steel, Ceramic or Polyethylene - usually 10" x 12" weighs from 4 to 9 lbs per plate to cover the Chest and/or Back. Doubling up two (2) Level IIIA sWILL NOT stop a rifle projectile!"

[Jackpine Radical]

4. Of course if you fire too many rounds in a burst, the thing will overheat & jam.

God, so many of the people in this country are pure sacks of hate-filled shit.

[HereSince1628]

31. It may have nothing to do with hate...

Of course for some it may be hate.

But...

Fast, loud and/or defying danger are characteristics many Americans associate with their thrills...from auto racing to z-lining

Ammo-belts facilitate putting fast, loud and dangerousness altogether into a single package.

That thing is a trifecta of thrill support.

[Mopar151]

77. Putting yourself in danger for sport is one thing

Putting completely innocent people in danger through sheer stupidity is quite another. And I know wherof - a "leakey" gun range, and a nitwit neighbor who shot in his backyard, have both plagued my family.

[HereSince1628]

80. I find that pretty easy to agree with...I was just making an observation

that recognizes thrill seeking is a common feature of Americans and that weapon satisfies thrill in various ways.

[Mopar151]

87. I've worked with a serious (legal) machine gun collector.

I'd much sooner he looked after his armory, rather than our increasingly milatarized police. And if you left it to me, assault/tactical weapons, hi-capacity clips, rapid fire or full-auto convwersions, and similar stuff would remain legal, but with license/registration similar to machine guns, and responsibility for safe storage and use falling to the license holder.

[Jackpine Radical]

90. And I've done serious work with an M-60 machine gun.

As well as an M-16, an M-79 grenade launcher, a 106 Recoilless Rifle and a few similar toys. I hate the damn things.

[Mopar151]

106. You, my Dad, and most other real combat vets.

Dad was a BAR man in the French mountains - his pithy observation about the full-auto fetishists? "Carryin' your own ammo will get you over likin' full-auto real quick".

[liberalmike27]

50. As

Most are trained from birth, to be, by brainwashing media, by our parents and grandparents previous brainwashing, that they hand down to us. Even History as taught by most schools, is filled with brainwashing and history devoid of the truth about the oppressors.

[2ndAmForComputers]

88. I don't see hate. Who's hating what?

[GalaxyHunter]

89. Hate for anyone who owns a firearm.

[2ndAmForComputers]

91. Who's exercising that hate?

[GalaxyHunter]

93. look at any gun thread, you will see it.

[Duckhunter935]

5. more really big news

I see some just like pushing the rules on GD. 6000 dollars is what they said in the video is the cost. Too expensive and you fire that many rounds you will just ruin the barrel. That is why true machine guns have replaceable barrels. They will sell very few and I would be surprised if one is ever used in a mass shooting. Prevent more deaths on increasing the information used in background checks, increasing background checks, mental health, and more emphasis on handguns than scary videos.

[rl6214]

9. At $6000 I doubt that ANY will be used in any sort of shooting

It's a toy for those that want to shoot full auto but don't want to spend the $10,000+ that a real full auto would cost.

[Paladin]

14. They won't be able to keep up with demand for them. (nt)

[Duckhunter935]

21. I doubt that nt

[Adrahil]

53. Well you can buy a standard slide fore stock for about $300

It fits on a standard AR-15. But it still mainly a toy. It requires so practice to make it work, and making it work reliably in an actual shooting situation might be tricky.

But moreover, automatic weapons have limited applications really. The army teaches firing semi automatic in all but a few situations. It's more accurate, and conserves ammo.

This really is just a range toy.

[99Forever]

10. "They will sell very few..."

Really? I far as I can tell, money is no object what it comes to gun humpers and the objects of their devotion.

Putting that aside. Precisely how many of this gun humper's wet dream of a killing machine would it take to mow down most of a crowd in a myriad of situations?

Furthermore, what POSSIBLE responsible, PEACEFUL reason is there for a private citizen to own such a thing?

Gun humpers, insanity backed by corporate greed.

[krispos42]

17. Um...

...a "gun humper" can use his thumb and belt loop to shoot from the waist using the exact same bump-fire principal.

That's right... any of the tens of millions of semiautomatic rifles and shotguns currently in existence can be bump-fired into a crowd of people.

And if you lose a minute's worth of sleep over this, you probably are also really worried about being hit by meteorites and really expect to win the Powerball any day now.

[99Forever]

18. Yeah, ain't it wonderful?

You're full of great news.

Seems those "lucky kids" at Sandyhook, "hit the Powerball AND got hit by meteorites" both, eh?

Yessir, mo' gunz, mo gunz, mo' gunz, will fix it.

Derp.

[Duckhunter935]

22. So I assume

you are for banning and confiscation of all semi-automatic weapons. Pistols, rifles and shotguns.

[krispos42]

49. By all means, continue fretting over the least-likely things to kill you.

Eat your bacon-cheeseburgers, smoke your cigarettes, drive while texting, but DAMMIT! Freak out daily about being in a public space when a nutjob opens up with a belt-fed rifle.


Keep playing those emotional strings. We can use a good moral panic, now that Anthony Wiener isn't in the mayoral race any more and things with Syria have calmed down for a bit.

[Paladin]

48. Yeah, that bump-firing video sure went away in a hurry, didn't it?

It was a prime attraction down in Gun Control/RKBA, then it disappeared. The Sandy Hook school massacre kind of took the fun out of rapid firing of large quantities of ammunition. At least for a while. Sleep well.

[krispos42]

51. I had zero difficulty finding one on YouTube

Be advised that by working yourself up into a moral panic over this item, you seriously risk skyrocketing purchases of this item, and the ammunition to feed the guns it will be fitted to.

The law of unintended consequences, if you will. Some people in this thread are advocating banning or heavily restricting things like this SlideFire gizmo. This will be sure to attract interest in the item.

[Paladin]

52. If it makes you feel better to shift blame like that, feel free.

Always entertaining to get a lecture on morals from a gun activist. You folks are endlessly entertaining.....

[krispos42]

59. Historical precedent is on my side.

If you want to give SlideFire free advertising on the internet until it bleeds over into TV and print, go ahead.

And your automatic assumption of moral superiority is noted.

[Paladin]

63. Extra credit for the "bleeds over" description.

Like I say, you guys are nothing if not entertaining.....

[RetroLounge]

117. They're mostly nothing..

RL

[etherealtruth]

23. "what POSSIBLE responsible, PEACEFUL reason is there for a private citizen to own such a thing? "

Of course there is none ... but, in the minds of some 'gunz, gunz and more gunz' is all that matters on any level. Their right to indulge in their crazed gun fantasy world trumps the safety and well being of society as a whole

[onehandle]

11. A story about this gun got on CNN. Mothers saw this gun on CNN.

Tick tock, gun nuts...

[DanTex]

15. Would you object to a story about a new derivative structure that allowed banks to dodge

financial regulations?

[Duckhunter935]

24. we do not have a limit as far

as I know in GD about finance.

from the rules

"No posts about Israel/Palestine, religion, guns, showbiz, or sports unless there is really big news."

[DanTex]

25. We also have an exception right now for guns.

[Duckhunter935]

28. I do not think this story qualifies for an exception

"Gun porn, local gun-crime stories, and other narrowly-focused gun topics are not permitted.

However I do see a whole lot of local gun crime stories., that is another issue, I disagree with the mods on but it is their call.


Only "discussion of gun control and related issues is currently permitted in GD"

[DanTex]

30. The fact that effectively full-auto weapons can be sold due to a loophole in the law

is something I think deserves to be discussed.

[Duckhunter935]

32. as shown in this thread

any semi-auto can do this

[DanTex]

35. In which case the loophole in the law is even bigger than the OP says.

All the more reason it is an important story.

[Duckhunter935]

38. so you would confiscate

and ban all semi-automatics? Hundreds of millions of them?

[DanTex]

44. That's a different question, but at least I would want them registered.

I don't know if an outright ban is necessary. Maybe something like NFA would work.

I think several other countries have managed to get gun violence under control without an outright ban on semi-automatic weapons.

But I definitely think that the fact that (according to you) any semi-auto weapon can effectively fire at the same rate as a machine gun should be something that everyone knows when making gun control decisions. I though that gungeoneers always insisted that AR-15s were not true "assault weapons" because they don't fire as quickly as machine guns. Guess that wasn't true. Good thing this thread is in GD, don't you agree?

[Igel]

20. That's okay.

The article already says that the choice of feed mechanism renders an assault rifle legal in the US. It doesn't. Such an assault rifle is still illegal. When an article starts off with a blatant falsehood, my expectations aren't very high.

If a writer has no idea what words mean, communication becomes impossible and boils down to a bunch of words that produce soothing, comforting sensations. For some, that means "outrage." It also means the writer is a dolt.

If the writer does know what words mean, then he's just manipulative. Then the writer is a disgrace and danger.

Can't decide if the writer of the article is a dolt, danger, or disgrace. Or some hybrid or chimera.

[oldhippie]

55. Well said. nt

nt

[Gravitycollapse]

78. A spree shooter doesn't give a shit about the future longevity of the barrel.

So warped barrels are not really a concern. It is exactly this kind of technology that specifically benefits spree shooters.

[Recursion]

6. So outlaw the bump stock

It makes the weapon less accurate and serves no reasonable purpose. Pass a law classifying them as Title II NFA devices. I'm signed on to that.

[Duckhunter935]

8. Works for me

Seems like a simple amendment to existing law. I would assume states can also outlaw them.

[spin]

12. I agree. This should have already been done. (n/t)

[krispos42]

47. It works for me... if we can define how fast a gun may shoot before it's a machine gun.

I can see an issue with thas, but we can simply make a law stating that, on long guns, the buttstock must be firmly fixed to the receiver. If it can't slide, it can't slide-fire.

[Adrahil]

56. So, don't allow adjustable stocks?

Sorry, that ridiculous. These stocks at not used in crimes, and you want to outlaw adjustable stocks, just in case?

Silly.

[krispos42]

58. Adjustable, yes.

Including the popular quick-adjust, six-position AR-15 stock.

But when it's adjusted, it locks in place. Squeeze the lever, move the stock, release the lever, stock is now rigid.

If it's flexible while firing, then it's illegal.

[Adrahil]

85. what happens if my latch breaks? Am I suddenly in possession of an illegal machine gun?

Seriously... find ONE crime where a slide fire stock has been used, and I'll get concerned.

[krispos42]

86. Only if it's spring-loaded a certain way.

Although scuttlebutt says that semi-autos with worn sears can cause their owners to get in legal trouble if it fires two or more rounds per trigger pull. 'Cuz it's a machine gun, all of a sudden.

It's not a real issue, but if a moral panic is created from this, it can easily be addressed and not give the gun-control advocates an issue to moralize over.

[Adrahil]

54. Why? If it serves no purpose, then why ban it, because it seems scary? nt

[Lizzie Poppet]

67. Agreed.

Bump stocks are an obvious dodge of the intent behind restricting fully automatic weapons and should be treated as such by the law (that is, subject to the same rules as "regular" selective-fire weapons).

[Monster_Mash]

13. Looks like a jamming nightmare to me...

[krispos42]

16. Technical analysis:

I've seen these kinds of stocks advertised recently in the two advertiser-supported gun magazines I subscribe to. What it is is a "bump-fire" stock.

"Bump-firing" has been around for a while; it's done with a semiautomatic long gun. By sticking your thumb or finger through the trigger guard, then hooking it into your belt loop or pocket, you can then use your other hand to pull the gun forward. As you pull the gun forward, it goes off and recoils backwards, resetting the trigger. Because you are still pulling forward, the recoil is quickly absorbed and the gun moves forward again, and the cycle repeats until the gun is empty.

This brief video (39 seconds) shows how it is done. An AR-15 is shown, but it can be done with pretty much any semi-auto rifle or shotgun.

Here's how the "Slide Fire" stock works. Yeah, it's an ad for the company, but it's short and to the point. You can google for others if you wish.

As you can see, the entire gun, except for the pistol grip and buttstock, is spring-loaded, allowing the receiver and barrel to rock back and forth each time the gun discharges. It's aimed bump fire.



Now, what we're seeing here is the confluence of two separate technologies: the concept of belt-fed guns, which goes back over a century, and bump-firing, which probably goes back about 70 years.


Reloading: compared to guns that feed from a magazine, belt-fed guns take longer to reload. First, the old belt box has to be removed and a new one inserted. The gun has to be opened up, the top of the belt grabbed, and the belt fed in; it's probably a two-handed operation and requires putting the gun on a table or something else solid. Then you have to release the action to chamber a round.

This compares to a regular magazine, which requires pressing the magazine release. The magazine then falls out unassisted. A new magazine is pushed up into the magazine well, and the action is then released to chamber a round. This can be done in a couple of seconds, and one-handed, without letting go of the gun.

[99Forever]

19. Oh goody. Gun porn in GD.

Isn't that special?

[Kolesar]

26. A Greenwald fan taunting a gun owner on DU

Isn't that special?

[krispos42]

42. Sorry for informing you with objective facts.

[derby378]

100. You're just speaking facts with your face, here

[rrneck]

57. I just hate it when people post gun porn in GD.

[Eleanors38]

70. Are you saying the OP is "gun porn," or the other videos?

[snooper2]

82. 99 doesn't last forever

FYI

[99Forever]

107. Ahhh ... a true wit!

Well...


... half of one , anyway.

[GalaxyHunter]

92. Gun porn disgusts you?

[99Forever]

108. Gun humpers disgust me.

[GalaxyHunter]

113. ahh, ok, but gun porn is just fine!

good to know!

[99Forever]

114. Is that what I said?

Strawman much?

The stoooooooooooopid burns.

[GalaxyHunter]

115. you didn't dispute it. n/t

[99Forever]

116. ...

[GalaxyHunter]

119. ......

[Iggo]

40. Boi-oi-oi-oi-oing!

Unh!

[rrneck]

27. ...

[alcibiades_mystery]

29. "Spray" is an incorrect term. "Belt-fed" is inaccurate. There's no such thing as a "machine gun,"

and other gun nut shithead responses...

[Duckhunter935]

34. and where have you seen these

responses?

[DanTex]

36. LOL. It's really just the same as a rubber band! Do you want to ban rubber bands?

[Eleanors38]

71. Gosh, Dan, you're really worried about this?

[ManiacJoe]

97. Stick around and you might learn something.

True, "spray" is probably an incorrect term.
"Belt-fed" is accurate.
There is such a thing as machine guns.

[HolyMoley]

33. Looks like fun but at $6,000... I'll pass.

The original Slide Fire® stock is a hoot to shoot (brought a smile to my face), but with the current cost and availability of ammo, it quickly loses it's appeal after dumping half a dozen 30rd mags.

On the positive side, it's a less expensive alternative to purchasing a registered NFA select-fire/full-auto firearm (and not nearly the paperwork and waiting time hassles). It's a pretty slick device that makes me wonder "why didn't I think of that?" (for the record, the Slide Fire® isn't the first device designed to simplify "bump firing" from the shoulder). Rather than come along with this latest belt fed creation, I would
have preferred that they came up with a run of the mill Slide Fire designed for the Ruger 10/22 (but then they wouldn't be able to charge $6,000 a pop for the unit).

As for all the panic, outrage, moral indignation, and horror directed at the latest creation, it could easily turn out to be vaporware.

[heaven05]

46. ?????

[ileus]

62. 6k could go a long way to complete my must have list.

Stainless 220

A nice 227

and a 1911...



Or drop the 1911 and pick up a Sako 85 Classic in 7mm-08

[Eleanors38]

72. I'd like an old Remington model 81 in .35. That'll bump you.

[formercia]

37. Limited only by your Wallet.

...bbbzzztttt.

[Iggo]

39. Constitution!!!

Mip! Mip! Mip!

[sulphurdunn]

41. Belt fed,

fires 800 rounds per minute. That's called a machine gun. It doesn't much matter what else you may call it or how the firing mechanism is designed.

[heaven05]

43. god bless amerika

and it's gun nuts. geez, will it never stop? Yeah when I'm dead from a bullet in the heart.

[Eleanors38]

73. Are you OK, heaven 05?

[heaven05]

84. some days, no

just sick of our ability to come up with new and more efficient implements to kill each other with. Something like this belt fed monstrosity is for one thing only. It's for a paranoid, I'm going to be ready for the guvmint fool. So, some days I'm not okay with the violent insanity that has become our gun culture. It enables a zimPIG to walk around in society looking for someone, unarmed, young and black to shoot in the heart. And that's just one kind of gun nut stalking our streets. Thanks for asking though. And you?

[Eleanors38]

104. I understand, and I've been there.

I think some of here have found a punching bag in the personages of some gun-owners, and have done their dead-level best to associate the large majority of gun-owners -- of which DU gun-owners are a part -- with their punching bag. And believe me, great latitude is given those who want to talk "penis, paranoia", and symbolic puke about fellow DUers. This underwrites many of the posts here. But the folks who support 2A here are not the sort to back off or be shamed; in fact, some will double down.

I don't like seeing violence, but that gimmick bump "discovery" (it's hardly a technology) has been around for a while. Personally, I don't object to claasification of accessories which build-in that practice as falling under the rubric of machine guns. Trouble is, even a conventional semi-auto might be made to operate by bump fire. How is the practice regulated? And I've never seen this hat & cane gun useage in any crime.

Both sides in this debate will face sober questions in a few years when "firearms" no longer use fire, but instead electricity, and are "printed."

[heaven05]

105. well given the fact that

this shooting today in D.C. puts to rest that armed good guys will 'prevent' something like this. It was a military facility with multiple armed 'good guys'. I just think too many guns make for crazy/disgruntled/ people having access to them too much of a possibility. I have NO PROBLEM with responsible gun owners. Just need some kind of way to screen people better for emotional, psychological 'problems'. Just one way to prevent this madness. I'm just glad this shooter today did not have one of the type of weapon that this OP is about. Definitely would have been a higher death toll. Violence will be with us always. Some violence can be prevented. Banning certain kinds of weapons in civilian hands is one way. We must at least try to get around NRA bullshit.

[Eleanors38]

109. Perhaps those who wish to reduce the occurences of

mass shootings and crime in general should reach out to gun-owners (I'm not suggesting the NRA), instead of demonizing them (and not suggesting you are engaging in that).

There is no guarantee mass shootings will be stopped by legislative measures or by rather standard security measures on-site. But improved security measures must be on the table if mass shootings are seriously dealt with.

[heaven05]

110. I have no problem with anything you said

work needs to be done legislatively and civilly,

[matt819]

45. And just in time for the holdays!

I was all ready to place my order, but that $6,000 price tag was a deal breaker for me. Also, I can't help but wonder if the gun is underpriced, but the ammo, at 800 rounds per minute, is the real, ahem, killer. Like printers and ink. Plus, for me, I think it's a bit of overkill for the odd fox or coyote who wanders into the field. Just seems unfair.

Let's see what happens when a patriotic American sets one of these up in his house and uses it to respond to a no-knock warrant in the middle of the night. Should be interesting.

[ileus]

61. useless gimmick

good for nothing but to separate a fool and his money.


As for me and my family we'll stick to plinking with 30 round pmags in the AR's.


While full auto is fun for a few minutes it gets pretty boring pretty quick...not to mention expensive.


All the AFT needs to say is no....one must wonder if they have an agenda for letting these continue on the market.

[The Straight Story]

65. Would have to agree

Most folks I have known prefer accuracy when shooting and the novelty of just shooting a slew of rounds wears off quick.

And obviously the cost of the rounds (even if you factor reloading - and let's not forget that can be time consuming as well and most reloaders I knew did it for control of the round and experimenting as well as cost, not many would want to waste all of that work so quickly - except maybe the .50 crowd) makes it even less of an attractive option to spend money on.

When I eventually move to the country and buy a gun most likely will get something I can reload cheaply to keep cost down and mess with the grains and such, couldn't imagine getting that all set up and shooting them all off in seconds - would suck

[Abq_Sarah]

66. I've shot a slide fire AR-15

And hated it. I fired about 6 rounds, put it down, thanked the owner and walked away.

I'd never purchase one. I imagine a lot of owners purchase the stock, think it's fun for a while until they realize how much money they're burning up on ammunition and then take it off.

[ileus]

79. I've saw several come up of facebook for sale.

Over the past several months...

[aikoaiko]

64. You sure do know how to yank the chain of the anti-gunnies, onehandle.

tick tock tick tock....still waiting.

[indepat]

68. Now ain't that so fucking special!

[ManiacJoe]

69. After you are done paying $6000 for the rifle,

given current ammo prices, how often are you going to take it out and shoot it?

[Eleanors38]

74. Hell, I'd use 6k for new plumbing. Then, I'd start on the house.

[ManiacJoe]

95. I hear you there!

[Demo_Chris]

75. If it's made in America and people are buying the thing then more power to them. nt

[gopiscrap]

76. Jesus Christ and why the fuck do we need this type of weapon?

[ManiacJoe]

94. It is not about "need", it is about "want".

If you have the disposable income to buy it and feed it, why not see if you are up to the physical challenge of keeping all your shots on target? Try the sport. You might like it.

[gopiscrap]

96. yeah you're right

[Tommy_Carcetti]

98. You see, this is the problem.

Disassociating the fact that a gun is a deadly weapon, and specifically designed as a deadly weapon.

And instead catering to people's wants, turning something that should only be used as a necessity into a fun commodity.

[ManiacJoe]

99. Then don't disassociate the deadly weapon part.

Guns are dangerous tools. It is that danger that makes them useful as tools. You can minimize the risk by handling them safely. Get training if you need it.

To use a gun well requires a certain level of physical capability. Formal and informal competitions are constantly held to see how your skills rate amongst your friends and neighbors. Accurate shooting is a perishable skill.

According to the stats, the vast majority of gun owners will never use them to shoot at living animals or people. They settle for the sport of shooting paper and other more reactive targets.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

101. You appeared to be advocating shooting just because it was fun.

Not only that, but shooting high powered semi-automatic assault rifles for said purpose.

Yes, I understand if you are military or police the genuine value of target shooting as a need. Or, if you are private citizen in the unfortunate situation where you may actually need a firearm because of legitimate and actual threats to your personal safety.

But buying a gun--especially something like an AR-15--just because you think it's cool to shoot, is opening up a whole new can of worms.

Most people who buy guns do not actually need them.

[ManiacJoe]

103. I am advocating shooting just because it is fun.

What better reason is needed? Sure, you can also hunt. Sure, you can use guns for self-defense. However, if you do not enjoy the physical challenge of accurate shooting, usually you will not be any good at hunting or self-defense shooting.

The lower-powered semi-auto carbine like the AR-15 is an excellent example of good rifle to do it with. Not only is it light and accurate, it has little recoil and is very modular and configurable.

> But buying a gun--especially something like an AR-15--just because you think it's cool to
> shoot, is opening up a whole new can of worms.

Please explain how the AR-15 can of worms differs from the can of worms presented by other rifles.

> Most people who buy guns do not actually need them.

Correct. The vast majority of (legal) gun owners do so for the fun of it. The fact that the gun(s) can be used for multiple purposes (competition, hunting, self-defense, etc.) is just a bonus.

[hack89]

111. I shoot for recreation

that is what competitive target shooting is - fun for the entire family.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

81. And all the gun enthusiasts will flock to buy it. Because they can.

And then act all insulted when someone asks them for what reason would they really need a gun like that.

[hack89]

83. So ban the damn things.

I am sure the ATF can find a justification.

[derby378]

102. Anyone here notice that these Slide Fire stocks have been on sale for TWO YEARS?

And, amazingly enough, the Republic still stands. Slide Fire has not brought Lady Liberty to her knees like so many of the nay-sayers have predicted. Tick tock, gun-grabbers...

[onehandle]

112. Defending gun culture... Today!

LOL!

Enjoy the future.

[Adam-Bomb]

118. I'll pass...

Wouldn't spend the money on that monstrosity OR the ammo to shoot it.