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Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 12:23 AM Sep 2013

Joe Biden Calls Gay Marriage 'The Issue Of Our Day'


Joe Biden Calls Gay Marriage 'The Issue Of Our Day'

Vice President Joe Biden retreaded his support for gay marriage in a speech at Sen. Tom Harkin's (D-Iowa) annual steak-fry fundraiser on Sunday.

In a speech hitting economic opportunity and celebrating President Barack Obama's leadership, Biden merited his own defense of gay rights.

“A lot of people criticized me for speaking out, not long ago, about gay marriage. I could not remain silent any longer,” he said. “It’s the civil rights of our day. It’s the issue of our day.”

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Full article here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/15/biden-gay-marriage_n_3932129.html

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Joe Biden Calls Gay Marriage 'The Issue Of Our Day' (Original Post) Tx4obama Sep 2013 OP
I was speaking out 40 years ago Skittles Sep 2013 #1
+1 Vanje Sep 2013 #3
Biden's unambiguous statement in favor of gay marriage was a tipping point. Vanje Sep 2013 #2
YUP! Behind the Aegis Sep 2013 #10
bigger than climate change pscot Sep 2013 #4
it is a human rights issue Skittles Sep 2013 #6
those are all important issues, and there are many more Sanddog42 Sep 2013 #8
I would say income inequality is a civil/human rights issue. Daniel537 Sep 2013 #16
Appalling Recipe Sanddog42 Sep 2013 #19
Oh those are all civil rights issues?! Behind the Aegis Sep 2013 #11
Kick. Sand Wind Sep 2013 #5
Good for Biden perhaps we can also talk about gopiscrap Sep 2013 #7
Love me some Joe Biden. As for some of you out there: Way to miss the point. nt Hekate Sep 2013 #9
They didn't "miss the point," they ignored it! Behind the Aegis Sep 2013 #12
They sure did. Oy. Hekate Sep 2013 #13
Good for Joe. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #14
Why didn't he do that in 2008 and save us all a lot of heartache? dickthegrouch Sep 2013 #15
I don't see it as a bigger civil rights issue than racisim cali Sep 2013 #17
He did say it was a bigger or more important issue Sanddog42 Sep 2013 #18

Vanje

(9,766 posts)
3. +1
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 12:34 AM
Sep 2013


I just wish you had had access to that big Veep podium, and that press crew listening to your every word.

Vanje

(9,766 posts)
2. Biden's unambiguous statement in favor of gay marriage was a tipping point.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 12:30 AM
Sep 2013

I give him huge props for that.

pscot

(21,024 posts)
4. bigger than climate change
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 12:40 AM
Sep 2013

or the rise of the Oligarchy. Bigger than world hunger or the carbon death of the biota. Nice.

Sanddog42

(117 posts)
8. those are all important issues, and there are many more
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 01:51 AM
Sep 2013

but are any of the ones you listed civil rights issues?

 

Daniel537

(1,560 posts)
16. I would say income inequality is a civil/human rights issue.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 02:55 PM
Sep 2013

Especially with the appalling wealth gap we have today. Its a recipe for social disaster.

Sanddog42

(117 posts)
19. Appalling Recipe
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 04:00 PM
Sep 2013

I agree that it is appalling and a recipe for disaster, but I'm not sure that qualifies it as a civil rights issue.

But I'm open to being convinced. You should start a new thread to discuss it so we don't derail this one.

Behind the Aegis

(53,989 posts)
11. Oh those are all civil rights issues?!
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 02:53 AM
Sep 2013

Thank you! Thank you for telling us how unimportant our equality is!

gopiscrap

(23,765 posts)
7. Good for Biden perhaps we can also talk about
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 01:42 AM
Sep 2013

getting rid of the patriot act, drones and other civil rights abuses in our nation?

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
14. Good for Joe.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 03:27 AM
Sep 2013

I've disagreed with the guy on some things, but he's spot-on here. And I do believe he was instrumental in bringing the President to take an open principled stand on the matter.

dickthegrouch

(3,184 posts)
15. Why didn't he do that in 2008 and save us all a lot of heartache?
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 02:49 PM
Sep 2013

In the Vice Presidential Candidate debate, Joe Biden made a very ambiguous statement in response to the question “Do you support gay marriage?”

BIDEN: “No. Barack Obama nor I support redefining from a civil side what constitutes marriage. We do not support that. That is basically the decision to be able to be able to be left to faiths and people who practice their faiths the determination what you call it. The bottom line though is, and I'm glad to hear the governor, I take her at her word, obviously, that she think there should be no civil rights distinction, none whatsoever, between a committed gay couple and a committed heterosexual couple”.


My suggestion to the No on 8 campaign was to take (the highlighted part of) Biden’s reply (slightly out of context) and use it as a part of the No on 8 advertising. They ignored me.

However, the fact is, that at the time Biden made the statement, marriage had already been redefined in California since same-sex marriage had already been approved by the court. There was definitely a case for using some subterfuge and misdirection to say that the Presidential and VP candidates did not support redefining marriage to be between a man and a woman as the initiative sought to achieve.

Transcript source: http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/president/debates/transcripts/vice-presidential-debate.html

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
17. I don't see it as a bigger civil rights issue than racisim
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 02:57 PM
Sep 2013

which is clearly still an enormous problem.

Sanddog42

(117 posts)
18. He did say it was a bigger or more important issue
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 03:32 PM
Sep 2013

He said it's the issue of our day. It's an idea whose time has come.

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