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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPoverty in 2013: When Even Diapers Are a Luxury
http://www.thenation.com/article/176121/poverty-2013-when-even-diapers-are-luxury#axzz2f4Un4iitHeres a little window into poverty, American- style. According to a Yale University study published in August in Pediatrics magazine, almost 30 percent of low-income women with children in diapers cant afford an adequate supply of them, with Hispanic women and grandmothers raising grandchildren the most likely to be in need. Some women are forced to make one or two nappies last the whole day, emptying them out and putting them back on the baby. Based on a survey of almost 900 low-income women in and around New Haven, Connecticut, investigators found the lack of diaperssuch a simple thinghad profound and complex effects. The risks to childrens health are obvious: rashes, urinary tract infections, painful chafing. (If a mom is too poor to afford diapers, she probably cant afford diaper cream or wipes or baby powder, either.) But to their surprise, the study authors also found that not being able to provide this necessary item (to say nothing of having a baby prone to fussing because of the discomfort of a constantly wet and dirty bottom) was a major cause of mental problems like stress, anxiety and depression in mothers. Maternal depression, we know, is associated with all kinds of problems in children, especially for poor kids, who need heroic parenting to overcome the many obstacles they face. Diapers are also necessary for kids entering daycareno diapers, no enrollment. And no enrollment may mean a mother cant take a job. For want of a diaper, a future could be lost. Two futures.
How could something so basic be in such short supply? Diapers are expensiveup to $100 a monthparticularly for women who dont have transportation and must rely on bodegas and local convenience stores. Some women reported spending 6 percent of their total income on paper nappies. And before you say, Let them use cloth, Marie Antoinette, bear in mind that diaper services are expensive, few poor women have their own washing machines, most laundromats dont permit customers to launder dirty diapers and most daycare programs dont allow cloth diapers. Like fresh fruit and vegetables, humanely raised meat and dairy products, and organic baby food, cloth diapers are the province of the well-off.
Despite this clear need, however, diapers are not covered by the food stamp program (SNAP) or by the Women, Infants, and Children feeding program. The government apparently finds them unnecessary, like other hygiene products (toilet paper, menstrual supplies, toothpaste, even soap), which are also, unlike food, subject to sales tax. Never mind that babies cant choose not to pee and poo and did not select their parents. Never mind, too, that those grandmothers who are the hardest hit caregivers are performing a crucial social taskand saving the taxpayer millionsby keeping those kids out of foster care.
Food, its true, is even more basic than diapers. But some people believe low-income children dont really need that either. If House Republicans have their way, 4 to 6 million SNAP recipients may soon find themselves bounced from the rolls. This, at a time when the Department of Agriculture tells us that 17.6 million households regularly go hungry, up from 12 million ten years ago. Proving yet again that there really is a difference between the parties, Republicans want to cut the food stamp budget by $40 billion over the next ten years. Let them drink tea! Seriously, are they out of their minds?
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Solly Mack
(90,789 posts)totodeinhere
(13,059 posts)that offer free diapers but of course that is just a stopgap measure and we really do need government funding. Here in the Elko area there is a service organization called FISH that has a limited supply of diapers but they often run out. Diapers are on the top of the list of things that they are asking the community to donate.
One problem with food banks and diapers is that many food banks rely on donations of expired or soon to expire food from supermarkets. But in the case of disposable diapers there is no expiration date so the markets can keep them until they are sold and they have little incentive to donate them to charitable organizations.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)My mother didn't have a washing machine, at least not when my sister was a baby during the Depression.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)And we only used glass bottles. We saved a TON of money.
SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)They are struggling (live with her family) .., They are using "gift-disposable diapers" , and as soon as she grows put of them or they run out, they will start using the cloth ones I got for them...and she's breastfed, so they have not spent any money on formula. I sent them a wonderful little book I found on ebay, & they are busily making baby-food from fresh garden veggies they get from friends' gardens.
If they did not have help, they would be up shit creek with no paddle, but they are pinching every penny they can, and saving for their re-entry into independence
Agony
(2,605 posts)and happy parent. You should be proud.
http://www.happybabyproducts.com/habadefogrwi.html
saves money and time... worked for me
SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)When she was pregnant , and people would ask what they needed, they specifically asked for diapers (over fancy little cute outfits & toys).. Of course they ended up with a LOT of diapers, which they are about to use up, and then will switch to the cloth-diaper stash I set them up with.. I got them diapers from Vermont..made in the US.. not cheap, but they are unbleached, organic cotton.
Baby Bridgette has had ONLY breast milk and home-made veggies & cereals, and is consequently, a lean , healthy little girl (9months now)
They have friends with gardens & a wonderful farmers' market near them, and making the food & freezing it by portions (ice cube trays) is not as time-consuming as many would think.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)That's the reality these days. Cloth diapers aren't a viable option for working parents. That said, it would probably help if low income parents were offered a supply of them for home use along with a diaper pail -- it would be a low cost way of having an emergency supply for the parents who have access to a home washing machine or a shared laundry facilities that allows laundering diapers.
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The Magistrate
(95,255 posts)Industrial machines manage much higher temperatures than home machines.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)It was never a problem.
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The Magistrate
(95,255 posts)Back when we had diaper service with our first kid....
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)An infant goes through a ridiculous number of diaper changes. Diaper services took the pail of rinsed, soiled diapers and delivered an equivalent number of soft, folded clean ones. It was a small luxury, to be certain, but boy was it a time saver. Even after disposables came out diaper services flourished for years because they could provide the service for less than the cost of buying the disposables.
Eventually the disposables got better and cheaper.
The biggest barriers to cloth diaper use for low income people are lack of home washing machines and the fact that most day care providers won't deal with them.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)That way even the rich would have to wash their babies' diapers "by hand."
It would also be good for the environment.
Still, I doubt most people would accept that argument, preferring instead to tell the poor to make do. Disposable diapers are only for those who can afford it.
totodeinhere
(13,059 posts)I doubt if rich people would be washing soiled diapers in a bucket.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Wonder of wonders. Rich people would do what rich people do, but the environment would benefit.
Butterbean
(1,014 posts)Really, honest to God, it has. You should see the internet message boards for cloth diapers (yes, they exist) and the huge following that some of the "couture" brands of cloth diapers have. Here ya go, this is one of the popular places for cloth diaper fanatics to shop, and this brand is popping up as the most sought after right now. Take a gander at the prices:
http://hyenacart.com/boogieBUMS/4416/category/3/One-Size-Hybrid-Fitted-Diapers
That's just the cost of the diaper, without the necessary wool cover to make it water/leak proof. Wool covers are super trendy and have a huge cult following as well and are mega pricey too. Check it out:
http://hyenacart.com/hc_search.php?all=wool+soaker&c=1&topsearch=1&x=-933&y=-34
I promise you, rich women do indeed cloth diaper their babies. They just diaper them in expensive as fuck cloth diapers. It boggles the mind.
tabbycat31
(6,336 posts)And the main reason is that her apartment complex has a shared laundry facility where it's over $6 to wash and dry a single load of laundry. (And many shared laundry facilities don't allow people to wash diapers, not sure about her complex). Her complex does not allow a washer/dryer in the apartment.
Knowing her, she made a spreadsheet and analyzed the cost of cloth vs disposable.
I know that with the urban poor, most use laundromats to do their laundry and it adds an additional cost to it (many apartments don't allow washer/dryer hookups).
kcr
(15,320 posts)You get the idea. I hope every single person in this thread trashing mothers, especially poor mothers, for using disposables never uses any of those things. They should be using horses and buggies, cloth napkins, and leaves. Those were good enough for our ancestors.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Bleach and hot water are neither expensive, nor hard to come by. Plastic diapers in a landfill are far worse than just using cloth ones.
How people don't get this is beyond me.
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)Unless it's environmentally friendly.
Lars39
(26,117 posts)Lots of toddlers died or were horribly burned by this method.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)One of the reasons for being very strict about child obedience.
GiveMeFreedom
(976 posts)it reads like they put the baby, with diaper on, in the tub of lye and boiling water, no wonder there were so many tragedies back then. peace.
Lars39
(26,117 posts)Huge kettle with boiling water in it, kid fell over in it. Horrible way to die.
My one fingered typing brevity leads to some strange sentences sometimes.
GiveMeFreedom
(976 posts)Yes, your fingers are like mine. They advance faster than the brain sometimes, leading to brief sentences that make perfect sense to me when I read them, but are not complete. Peace my friend.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Cloth diapers are cloth diapers. You wash them. Hell, there are plenty of women that when they are on the rag are still... on the rag.
MattBaggins
(7,905 posts)where do you wash them?
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I'm not getting your point, I'm sorry.
pnwmom
(108,999 posts)haele
(12,682 posts)It's especially difficult in the cities, where this article is set; no old barns or garages nearby that might have not been picked over by the antique hunters that might still have Grandma's (rather, great-Grandma's) old washing machine (that might still work after some application of elbow grease) sitting in the corner gathering dust and spider-webs.
And washing by hand/line drying takes time and air space that working parents/guardians might not have - especially if they're living in an apartment.
I grew up with cloth diapers and an old (even in the 1960's) electric wringer washer in the corner of the kitchen (in most of the places we lived - apartments and rental housing - until I was 14). For my brother, we had to have about 30 - 40 diapers on hand because between my parent's work schedules and the time we could get space at the apartment complex drying lines, we could only do laundry twice a week.
Until my brother was potty trained, the bathroom always stank, because even though those cloth diapers were "cleaned" in the toilet and rinsed out in the bathtub before they were dumped in the diaper pail, there was always the dirty baby stench. And wringer machines are not very safe...
When I was four, I ran my hand through the washing machine wringer trying to help Dad with the Wednesday-morning-before-he-went-on-shift laundry (mom was at work and would come home at noon). I nearly had my index finger tore off, broke about ten bones in my hand, and ended up with skin grafts and in a cast for a year.
Not saying your suggestion isn't helpful, but a lot depends on what is feasible at the situation that these poor families are in. Rural poor tend to have a lot more "do it the old fashioned way" resources than urban poor, simply through available space and laxer zoning and regulations. A working manual wringer washer, if one could be found outside an antique store, would be a terrific alternative to a laundromat for a family trying to make it in or outside a small town where the wash water can be dumped in the kitchen garden or rain-barrel watering system afterwards.
Cities are a trap for the urban poor; there's a very fine line of actions they can take without having police, social services, or nosy neighbors who will call the police or social services on their backs, and their resources are limited by the fact their "footprint" or available space to move and act is much smaller and most of what they survive off needs to be purchased. There is little ability to legally scavenge or find lifestyle alternatives for the urban poor - there are always regulations in place to ensure whatever they do to survive won't be exposed to the public.
Hence the dilemma of disposable diapers - daycare that is subsidized for the poor won't take children in cloth diapers because it's harder for the staff to change a baby and dispose of the waste - it's both a manpower issue and a sanitation issue for them. Not even the local church on on-base military daycares will take children who use cloth diapers. There are five daycares (other than the two Montessori schools) that advertise they take children in cloth diapers around here; and the median price for those daycares is usually between $400 (for 20 hours a month) to $3200 (full time or 160 hours a month) a month.
This limits the ability for a working poor parent to make a living; yet the working parent gets punished (loses assistance because "s/he won't work" for staying at home and taking care of the child until it is potty trained because most daycares won't accept a baby with cloth diapers.
The alternative most working poor have is usually to purchase and set aside enough disposable diapers to get the baby to and from the daycare, and try to figure out what to do the rest of the time. That's how my stepdaughter handles it, if she runs through the month's worth of diapers that we grandparents alternate in getting for the baby.
Most working poor parents don't have that much support.
Haele
pnwmom
(108,999 posts)when my own great-grandmother used a wringer washer. I think that was probably standard at the time.
I am also old enough to remember my mother washing diapers, though we did have a washing machine. You are right about the smell and general inconvenience. That's why I was grateful I could afford a service (which is less than paper in most places.)
My daughter's using one, too, and fortunately her in-home day care is fine with using cloth.
Lars39
(26,117 posts)haele
(12,682 posts)Mom was the youngest and doesn't remember the diapers, and her mom died by the time I was born, so there were no stories about doing the diapers in Depression era LA. I suspect there was a large tin tub, lots of boiling water, bleach, lye and a household mangle contraption that also had a meat-grinder and a couple other geared household tools on it involved, because that was how she and her mom did laundry until she was in high school. Aunt Lyn got the household mangle and meat-grinder contraption and sold it to an antique dealer for some good money after Grandpa passed.
I do remember Dad's mom talking about diaper services, but most of my little brother's diapers were fabric store remmenants or cut up flannel "binkies" and dressing robes from Goodwill (he was the only kid with Stewart Tartan diapers in student housing at UC Berkley!), which was all we could afford. Cloth Diaper packs were too expensive on a starving student budget, even at Woolworths.
Haele
CountAllVotes
(20,878 posts)At some point my late father put his foot down and said enough of this and managed to get her a for real washing machine.
She was using the wringer until the 1960s at least. By this time she was in her late 70s and had no teeth, no nothing.
Sad as hell the way women of the Victorian era were treated IMO, a cruel and sad life she had and she never said a word about it either.
RIP GRANDMA -- 1891-1976
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Later they got a Maytag tub washer with an agitator and wringer which was powered by a gas engine. The gas engine was replaced by an electric motor once the REA lines came by. That was the arrangement when I was a baby. Water was still carried from the well and heated in a boiler on the wood stove.
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)and it was cloth diapers. I can't imagine putting a wet diaper back on a baby when one could make diapers from a cotton sheet and a safety pin instead. .
Aerows
(39,961 posts)and I can't fathom not using cloth diapers. Hell, I've used Glad Rags. The disconnect on this issue is amazing. It's like people have never seen hot water, soap and bleach before.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)You get right to the problem.
Setting that to the side, cloth diapers are not free and hand washing is very time consuming, as is letting the diapers dry.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Even when my mother worked as a maid for a wealthy family in the '20s, the laundry was by hand.
Modern conveniences are really quite recent (and likely quite transitory).
MADem
(135,425 posts)with those, if you're doing the actual "pre-made cloth diapers" thing that's popular with the crunchy young-uns of today.
If you're just using absorbent cloth and those old school rubber pants, it's not so much. Not so convenient, either--gotta watch out for those safety pins.
And they can be washed by hand, but I'm guessing some overworked poor woman doesn't want to spend her days boiling them, and ironing them when dry, to kill germs..
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)but lots of working single moms don't have the time. So they eat fast food. And half of DU slams them for being spendthrift and unhealthy.
ismnotwasm
(42,014 posts)FirstLight
(13,366 posts)1992 first time mom recently abandoned by husband on welfare. Rent and bills ate the small welfare check in record time, and my mom often brought diapers when she came to visit.
what's worse...on the monthly claim forms you are supposed to tell them if someone helped you with house stuff, utilities, gas, food....so they could take it away from you the following month.
Still is that way.
It's my fault for being a poor mother, no excuses.
assholes. got no clue about what it is like to raise a child, let alone three - without child support and every time you get a job and they get sick and then I get sick and then I lose said job and the cycle continues...You think my kids don't know every day we're poor?
I am going to school to finish my BA after 15+ years...do I get any kudos or bonus for that effort from the welfare people? nope, not even a congrats from my worker. all she said was "you're gonna owe a LOT of money..haha!" bitch.
on edit: I realize from this post it sounds like I have been on the system for all these years. I have had several prosperous "eras" through this life, but none that lasted long enough to make a dent. nothing like a real career. also got remarried and worked after leaving him. wasn't till a few years ago my health and the economy hit hard and that fueled the idea to go back to school, finish what I know.
I don't know why I feel I need to justify...guess it's poverty guilt
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)who the hell cares if you were on the system for years? As some of us know it's not as if life is easy when one has to deal with welfare, SNAP, and other social safety net programs.
Good for you for finishing your BA and persevering through the bumps in the road.
FirstLight
(13,366 posts)there's a faction of people here who are especially nasty when it comes to poverty. They would take great pleasure flaming me in the public square for being one of those 'career welfare queens' or some other such nonsense. That, and the fact I have been justifying my economic position my entire adult life, old habits die hard....
thanks for the comment though
MattBaggins
(7,905 posts)are also comparing farm life and rural poverty to modern day urban poverty.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)But all urban areas have hot water, bleach and access to soap. "They live in urban areas" has to be the dumbest argument I've ever heard for disposable diapers.
kcr
(15,320 posts)is pretty darn dumb, too. I guess the hot water fairy will just wave her wand and a washer and dryer will magically appear for free. With no utility bills.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)and something that can make that water hot. I assume you have access to bleach, which is the cheapest cleaning chemical on the planet. I assume you have access to soap. I assume you have a rudimentary education on how to sterilize clothing (unless you, yourself are running around naked 24/7)
If none of those conditions apply, you aren't living in the US, so I apologize for my assumptions.
kcr
(15,320 posts)One thing that's common about the poor in the US (and also other places of course), a thing that a lot of people who aren't poor don't realize, is that they work. A lot. Most times a lot more than those who don't. So, they don't have time to do time consuming things like wash things by hand. Which is what you have to do if you don't have a washing machine. And even if they do have a washing machine. Babies go through a lot of diapers. Which would add a shit ton (no pun intended) of laundry. Which goes back to the whole issue of time. I just have a real hard time with the bootstrappy finger wagging of what the poors should be doing. Life is tough enough as it is.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)They manage to keep clean clothes on their backs. Why wouldn't you do the same to keep clean cloth diapers on your child?
kcr
(15,320 posts)Number one, you simply cannot compare the laundry load of a single person to a family in terms of volume and expense. So, you actually make my point for me. Take it from someone who used to be a single person who now has a family. Simply no comparison. Number 2? Those who promote cloth diapers as a viable means for everyone fail to take into account that huge reason cloth diapers have fallen out of vogue is women's role in the home has vastly changed. When more women stayed home and could spend far more time on laundry, cloth diapers stayed in vogue, and diaper service was more available and cheaper. Now, not so much. Plus, you also fail to take into account that child care options are slim for those who use cloth. Cloth is only a real economical alternative for those who have the time and means.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)that you are lecturing me, someone you do not know, while you yourself state that you aren't poor.
Guess what? I'm not either, but you are hardly in a position to cast rocks while defending a situation you aren't in, either.
I'm not lecturing you. I'm disagreeing with your opinion that cloth diapers are a viable option for everyone, rich or poor, and stating the reasons why.
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)Enough to last most of the week and do them once or twice a week. When I was married before this one, my husband was in the air force and we lived in Japan. I washed his fatigues by hand, ran them through a mop wringer in a bucket to get most of the water out and hung them to dry, then starched and ironed them. I could have done a boatload of diapers in no time at all this way. It may be that people have not done these things by hand so long, that the methods have been forgotten. A generational thing.
kcr
(15,320 posts)Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)till they were almost 2 in my home. I used cloth diapers but by then I had a mini washer and dryer in that house. I also worked part time at the day care center on base. My mother had a day care center when I was growing up. I washed a kabillion cloth diapers from when I was 12 and thru college. It really is not that hard.
kcr
(15,320 posts)If you don't work and have a washer and dryer in the house. Now imagine you don't and you work three jobs.
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)and I would hit the laundry mat twice a week when I did my other laundry if I was a mother now. Or I could have used the mop bucket with a wringer as I did back then before we moved to a house with a machine.
kcr
(15,320 posts)The twice weekly laundromat visits on top of the three jobs pulling to make ends meet because of the ever shrinking safety net. I'm loving that solution, and adding the diaper load to make it that much more expensive and time consuming. Instead of, you know, covering diapers.
Look, I know that disposable diapers aren't the greatest solution from an environmental standpoint. But I stop at making things harder for the poor in pushing to make things better in that regard. Particularly since we all harm the environment for the sake of convenience. Every single one of us pounding on a computer can't claim otherwise. At least babies and their families grow out of the diaper phase. All of us continue in our computer using, snot rag producing, toilet paper using, car driving (many of us, even the ones eschewing disposable diapers) ways all our lives, birth through death.
I think the solution to encourage people to use cloth is, 1, making it easier to use them, not forbidding using disposable making things harder for those who depend on diapers, and not supporting safety nets because of our green principles without proposing other solutions first. I don't like the environmental damage, but I dislike the social damage more. Edit for clarity
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)I can't imagine putting a wet diaper back on a baby as is stated in the article. That is when one should start getting inventive if disposables are out of reach. Even if you only did half and half that would be better than putting a dirty diaper back on a child.
It is not just making it hard, it is taking good care of one's child. If we are looking at making things better, then helping the mother's pay for a diaper service would be preferable or helping with the cost of a laundrymat.
and on edit, I was poor in those days.I worked 80 plus hours a week total. Not only that, but I walked over a mile to the base to catch a bus for my child care center job and I did it in the snow in the winter. Not only that, but I had no phone and no nieghbors who spoke English. Your snark that I have no idea what it is like to work those kind of hours hit me really wrong. You have no idea what kind of life I have lead to make assumptions.
kcr
(15,320 posts)For one, I can't imagine putting a wet diaper back on a baby either. But I don't think it's right for people to try to compare whatever struggles in the past with what poor people face in this country today. It is much, much harder now. I'm not doubting you struggled or worked hard. Truly, I'm not. But this country has gone down the shitter in the past couple of decades. Cloth diapers might have been a fine alternative once upon a time for most people. It isn't anymore. The safety nets in place were better then. They aren't now. Things are a lot more expensive, including laundromats. Diapers should be covered.
I used disposable diapers. I just did not have the time to wash a bunch of diapers every night after work.
pnwmom
(108,999 posts)and suddenly being overwhelmed with gratitude that clean diapers were so easy. (Mine were cloth, by the way, from the diaper service.)
I had read about what mothers did during the Colonial era. When a diaper was only wet, they wouldn't wash it -- they'd just hang the thing by the fire to dry out, and put it back on. Poor babies!
Butterbean
(1,014 posts)I also had the luxury of being a stay at home mom with my own washer and dryer. I did not WANT to use a diaper service because (being the germophobe that I am), I didn't want to risk the diapers being improperly washed or something something something....whatever.
I also made my own baby food and breastfed and yadda yadda yadda all that stuff. HOWEVER, I am married, and my kids were planned pregnancies, both born into a financially rock solid household where one parent was able to be at home full time and provide child care. Also, before my 1st child was born, I *did* look into the possibility of daycare and going back to work, and the other posters are right, most daycares do NOT take cloth diapers. You have to do a real song and dance and a lot of gymnastics just to get them to feed your baby expressed breast milk in some places. I'm talking about the $1000/week 5-star daycares that all the shi shi foo foo people send their kids to that has a waiting list that's 8 months long (yes really). The regulations and requirements they had to feed your baby expressed breast milk were very long and lengthy and challenging. Cloth diapers? NO WAY.
Any way, my point being, yes, diapers are damned hard to come by when you're poor, and cloth diapers sure as HELL are something that in my mind is a luxury item, as they are so time consuming to launder. As usual, I have no great solution for this, which sucks, and can only speak from my own personal experience.
Diapers are indeed a luxury. They are always having "diaper drives" here for the poor and needy.
MineralMan
(146,336 posts)Three kids before there were any disposable diapers. How did she manage? And I remember the old wringer washer, too.
Hmm...I wonder what she'll say about that...
sammytko
(2,480 posts)Guess she was weird. Lol
I remember cloth diapering my niece. This was in the 70s. We still had a wringer washer. No big deal, for us anyway.
MattBaggins
(7,905 posts)Did she have a working husband
Did the older kids help
You had a washing machine. These women do not.
MineralMan
(146,336 posts)I don't know what dealing with cloth diapers was like for her. So, I'll ask her. That is what I said in my reply. You've read something more than I said into what I said. People lived before there was such a thing as disposable diapers. I was an infant then, so I don't have much memory of it. My mother, who is 89, does have a memory of it. So, I'll ask her.
MattBaggins
(7,905 posts)I was reading into your post what wasn't there then.
I thought it was another poor single Moms are just lazy post.
MineralMan
(146,336 posts)I didn't mean that. I said what I meant. I'll be talking to my mother this afternoon on the phone. I'll ask her what laundering cloth diapers for her three children was like and how she felt about it at the time. She had no options to buy disposable diapers, and the family budget wouldn't have covered anything like a diaper service. She really had no option.
So, I wondered what she though about that. I've never asked, and she's never mentioned it. It was just what mothers did, which is probably what she'll tell me.
sammytko
(2,480 posts)MattBaggins
(7,905 posts)Not the same environment I would expect.
sammytko
(2,480 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)MineralMan
(146,336 posts)At Target, for the two smaller sizes of those diapers, the price is about $26 for 180 size 2 diapers. That comes to about 14 cents per diaper. That's for the Target brand, Up&Up.
They're more expensive at Walmart for the same size of Huggies diapers in size 2.
I looked further, and the Target price seems about the lowest price anywhere. That also appears to be the most generic that disposable diapers get.
raging moderate
(4,311 posts)I just called the office of my representative, Randy Hultgren, and ranted at him until he managed to break in on my poverty lecture. I grew up very poor back before there were food stamps, going hungry frequently, mother sickly from starving in the Depression but still struggled valiantly to work every day, father in same situation but with mental illness and alcoholism and bad temper so naturally Mom did most of the actual child care for four kids. I didn't manage to get to the really disgusting details, but I did rile him. He insisted that the current GOP legislation is being designed only to make the food stamp program more efficient and give the food only to those who REALLY need it so they will get more. I told him I will be watching, and I'd better not find out that more poor kids are going hungry from the new legislation.
This guy Randy Hultgren is very glib, a smooth, sophisticated talker, and of course his aide is too. Facts, however, can chip away at their smugness through cognitive dissonance. Feel free to call his office and reinforce my lesson with any talking points you may have. Also, if you have a good representative, feel free to call that person to express gratitude for keeping up the good work of slowing down the onslaught of neofeudalism.
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)I also propose actual living wages and support for mothers, whether it be in the form of free quality child care, or other forms of support. We should make the raising of safe, clean and healthy children a priority.
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)I read all this stuff about how the evil GOP is doing this and that, but somehow I rarely see any proposals from our side to fix it. If we recognize a problem, and can point fingers, surely we can also propose solutions. And if not, what does that make us?
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Complicit, most probably. Possibly just as bad or even worse.
There is no longer a viable party in US politics that sees a glaring problem and then works to correct it.
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)and we need to change that.
It is high time that the Democratic party become the party of solutions instead of the party that is great at pointing out what is wrong with Republicans.
You don't point at a puddle on the floor and say "Someone will slip on that, a Republican caused it" without reaching for a towel to clean it up so that nobody slips on it.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Instead of railing against what the GOP is doing, why isn't our party actually doing something?
It's the same old shit. Democrats yelling at Republicans for doing something ... but they aren't doing anything to fix the problem.
We have a problem in Congress - and it is Congress on BOTH sides of the aisle.
Skittles
(153,208 posts)I was very surprised at how much they cost - it seemed very overpriced to me
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)I had no idea that diapers and other necessary products for Babies are prohibited.
Nobody gives a damn but I'm about ready to turn in my America passport...go back to Australia and live where diapers are considered NECESSARY.
Geeez....What a cruel country
CountAllVotes
(20,878 posts)Fancy stuff not allowed!
It sucks indeed and I'm sure that many out there that depend on food stamps to stay alive are very disgusted as well.
This is nothing new. It has always been this way.
You cannot buy many things in a grocery store with food stamps and diapers are not "food".
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)...though certain types of actions (that make the rulers rich).....cause these same poor to need food stamps ...then punish them for being poor.
"I'm going to make you poor so I can laugh and hurt you"
SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)Prepared foods (like from a deli) are not food-stamp-able, but MANY foods that most would consider "fancy", are. Stuff like soda pop, gum, chip, snack foods etc.
Each state's website has the parameters listed for what's allowable and what's not.
You cannot buy (obviously) tobacco-related, alcoholic stuff, non-foods (such as magazines, paper-products, petfoods, cosmetics, toiletries, etc)
I wish there was a better way..perhaps something called "staples-stamps"..which would include generic brands of soap, laundry supplies, necessary baby items, personal hygiene products, and that would EXCLUDE stuff like soda pop & chips (but their lobbies are powerful)
CountAllVotes
(20,878 posts)I just got up when I posted that and I couldn't think of what I wanted to say.
You've pretty much nailed it however.
It seems sad to me that a person cannot buy a ready-to-eat sandwich with food stamps esp. if said person may not have a place to prepare food and perhaps not even a place to live which is sometimes the case whether anyone cares to admit it or not!