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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDo you know one or more people you don't think should be trusted with a gun?
Last edited Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:59 AM - Edit history (3)
PERSONALLY know. Not "that guy I see on the street / television" but "yes, someone I interact with socially in either a family or professional relationship."
ON EDIT: Clarified the first option.
ON EDIT 2: DU put weird marks in the poll questions; cleaned it up.
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Certainly not! No - everyone I know would be great with a gun (if they wanted one). | |
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I have met a couple randomly, but I do n0t hang out with them. | |
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Eh, what can you do? It is a free country, and they are only scary when they drink/are otherwise altered. | |
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I know several; someday they will be in the news, and I will not be surprised. | |
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Know one? I am RELATED (or formerly related) to one. If I could get/keep guns away from him/her, I would be a happy person. | |
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Have you been to a holiday at my house? I am surrounded by people who should not be allowed to be armed. | |
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Other. (Please explain). | |
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Scuba
(53,475 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Loudly
(2,436 posts)It reinforced my existing belief that everyone's sanity dangles by the thinnest of threads.
I'm sorry to laugh but that absolutely cracked me up.
Loudly
(2,436 posts)She didn't want ANYONE to stand in her way to be recruited by The Who. (As a background singer.)
She has now spent a few weeks in a psych ward and found a good mix of anti halluinatory and mood elevator.
So thumbs up for a pharmacological industry to find a solution for that kind of complete disconnect!
Take it by eminent domain, and make it cheap.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I really didn't mean to laugh at what was clearly a serious problem, but the way you described it was hilarious.
I hope you and your family are doing much better now!
Loudly
(2,436 posts)The NRA has made sure of that.
Anyone who should APPLY to get a gun or ammo NEEDS to go through a psychological examination.
And anyone who has been approved to have a gun NEEDS to go through a psychological examination to continue to have it.
That's because the mind is a potentially deteriorating justification allowing it.
And, by the way, I am totally okay with any application to acquire a gun and ammunition as a reason to scrutinize SCRUTINIZE VERY CLOSELY any such application.
What should be the basis of such scrutiny?
A complete and perfect renunciation of a "right" to engage in armed rebellion.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)with none of that. I question the sanity and intentions of people who DO have a problem with that, because they are obviously not on the sane end of the argument.
The gun laws in the US are too lax. Plain and simple.
hlthe2b
(102,249 posts)offered in casual discussion with acquaintances, DO give me pause. Perhaps it is all bravado, but I would not want to be in the vicinity of a very large number of individuals with guns, although I am excluding friends I know are responsible hunters or living in very rural areas, where a shotgun may be necessary.
ananda
(28,859 posts)..
appleannie1
(5,067 posts)a step son that is on parole and is a total hot head. I know a few other people that should not have access to guns as well.
gopiscrap
(23,759 posts)FarCenter
(19,429 posts)seabeckind
(1,957 posts)I know quite a few who shouldn't be trusted with any sharp object.
ismnotwasm
(41,977 posts)My brother. Long story.
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)Do you trust the people you know own guns, with them? Yes, emphatically.
Do you trust the general population to own firearms? If they can pass a background check, yes.
Do you know people who are barred from firearms ownership, who could be trusted with a firearm? Yes. Just because someone made a mistake in their past doesn't make them bad people, just a normal person who got caught where others have escaped detection.
I am in favor of gun control legislation. Certain aspects should have tighter regulation, ie magazine capacity, storage, transportation, gun shows, etc. But I also accept that the reason the second amendment was included in the bill of rights was to act as a separate "check and balance" outside of normal government; a worst case fail safe.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)A real person who you have (or had) a real relationship with either personally or professionally.
Either you know such a person, or you don't.
After that, the questions become "how many".
But start with the first question. I'll even edit it for you.
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)The people I know who I would be concerned about if they owned a firearm, either have no interest in owning a firearm, or could not pass a background check.
I do feel your question is a bit vague or at least loaded (ie, have you stopped beating your wife yet? sort of thing). I don't think there is anyone who doesn't know a disabled person of someone with anger issues. So, as written, your question seems to demand a "yes" answer or a blatant lie. I felt uncomfortable answering it as it was written, so I broke it into the three most general segments I felt comfortable with.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)If "anyone and everyone" should have access to guns, you start with "how to make it easy."
If we start with "do we know anyone who SHOULDN'T be allowed to have a gun?" you have a different discussion.
I am personally related to people who are on medication for mental health issues who have guns in their home. I know at least three people who have (unsuccessfully) attempted suicide who have guns in their homes. I have attended funerals for people who either used guns to kill themselves or were killed by gun violence.
The question is not "are YOU a responsible gun owner who uses common sense" but do YOU *personally* know ANYONE who SHOULD NOT have access to a gun?
If the answer is yes, then the next question becomes "how do we keep guns away from people who SHOULD NOT have them?"
Background checks are not effective - if you go to craigslist, people without access to the system will happily "trade" for guns.
But first, we start with the question - do most people know someone who SHOULD NOT be allowed to have access to guns?
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)with a medical endorsement. I think we should be including purchase, gifts, and inheritances. Failure to comply with background regulations should result in both party's households losing their 2nd amendment rights for 50 years. They may not live where firearms are stored.
I also think we need a standard background check. One for the United States.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"have you stopped beating your wife yet?"
That is a logical fallacy known as the Complex Question. One need merely identify the premise (being a wife-beater), and then reject it.
However, the OP was not in fact, a logical fallacy. It simply asks if one knows another not to be trusted with firearms...
Or, if I'm missing something, what is the precise and relevant premise of the question you reject?
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)Making it not a question at all.
I don't believe anyone can not know at least one person who might be a bad candidate for gun ownership.
Perhaps a better way of making the same point would have been; "How many, out of the people you have ever met, would you trust with a firearm?"
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)They can politely be described as GUN ENTHUSIASTS.
People who are enthusiasts are notoriously oblivious to other viewpoints. As I said, starting the discussion where I am changes the point. As you yourself state,
"I don't believe anyone can not know at least one person who might be a bad candidate for gun ownership."
Perception becomes Reality.
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)Blind faith in or against something blinds you from a solution. Both the gun freedom backers and the gun restriction backers need to drop the rhetoric and accept that compromise is needed.
ileus
(15,396 posts)IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)It means you don't personally know anyone. You can clarify it.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Surely, you are not telling us you've never known anyone who was a danger.
ileus
(15,396 posts)It would seem I hang around all the right people...
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Trust someone to own a death machine, perhaps next door to me? Who might choose to exploit open- or concealed-carry laws and knock on my door when in possession? When we all know the statistics on how the weapon is most likely to be used in a conflict?
Ask me instead who I know that I would trust. It's a short list.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)Not sure you're not one of 'm
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)When my twins were two months old, there was brief moment when I was ready to KILL my husband when he let the dogs wake up the babies. (I was *very* sleep deprived). I was completely convinced I would explain this to a jury, and they would applaud me, because, HELLO! SLEEPING BABIES!!!
Then I got a nap. Life was better after the nap.
No guns in my house - lol!
I love my husband.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)everyone has moments in life when they have no business being within arms distance of a gun...
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)For one shining moment, I *knew* killing him was the right thing to do. Seriously, HE LET THE DOGS WAKE UP THE BABIES.
In my defense, I was on two months of non-existent sleep, and that particular night had gotten 45 minutes total in three separate sequences (20 mins, 10 mins, 15 mins). My beloved was trying to be quiet so all of us could "sleep" which was why he hadn't let the dogs out, but within five minutes of leaving the house, the dogs began barking so they could have their morning constitutional, which set off the babies, one of whom was on oxygen and a heart monitor, which began screeching, while the cat was leaping near the glass of warm water right by the computer --
Did I mention it was a rough moment? Once I got everybody/everything under control, I called and explained to him that I was going to KILL HIM IN HIS SLEEP if he *ever* did that again (he was very confused), at which point he gently told me it was time to call my mom for some relief, and I started crying. My mother promptly came over, I got two hours of blissful uninterrupted sleep, and then he gently told me I had really hurt his feelings by threatening to kill him. I apologized, and we began working on ways for me to get at least four hours of sleep a day (twins!).
But there was a moment, and I will never forget it, where I really meant it, and I wasn't worried about a jury convicting me because I *knew* they would understand his "horrible crime."
I know - right?
Looking back, I had officially entered into temporary land.
He is a good man. The twins are six now. No guns in our house!
madokie
(51,076 posts)Paladin
(28,256 posts)That's putting it as tactfully as possible.....
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)they should get out more...
Paladin
(28,256 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)I'm perpetually in and out of depression and suicide attempts are far more likely to be fatal if a gun is used. Not that I've tried to commit suicide, but I'm wary of my potential on that front.
But I'm also related to several people I think shouldn't have a gun (unfortunately many of them are in Texas).
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)have guns. I was saying they must be agoraphobic and housebound...how can they not know someone somewhere that shouldn't have one...
oldhippie
(3,249 posts)... than having a gun. But they still get a driver's license.
Iggo
(47,552 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Myrina
(12,296 posts)Which is why I will never buy one, or allow one in my house.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)those who actually do own guns tend to be those that I would trust least with guns.
sarisataka
(18,639 posts)don't have any. My brother and I did remove the guns from our step dad's house before he came home. Terminal cancer can cause some serious depression issues. It ended up being only a week before he needed full time hospice care so it was moot, but we considered it a reasonable precaution.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)He didn't discuss it with his family first. It was very sad.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)and we're not in Iowa.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)Think Barney Fife with a tank.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)In one particular case, the guy is wound a little too tight. There have been issues at work with him and some colleagues "joke" that he is the one that will snap and bring a gun to work one day.
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Or just "know them from the news"?
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)are just "generally walking in the streets"?
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Johonny
(20,848 posts)If gun person trusted other gun person with gun they wouldn't constantly cite fear of other people with guns as reason to have gun...
closeupready
(29,503 posts)hunter
(38,311 posts)... from her home (she was a hoarder and a danger to herself and others.) I'm certain the police would have shot her to death.
My parents thought they had all her guns but later found more in the mess.
Instead my grandma got to live long enough to enjoy the weddings of a few grandkids.
But I've also got a few horrible stories about people who shouldn't have had guns.
I don't think ANYONE with a gun fetish should have a gun.
One of my siblings has a few of the family guns, but nobody has bought a gun since my grandparents' generation.
I had four great-grandmas who were powerful women of the wild west. They could all hunt.
My mom did not allow guns in her house. No exceptions. Our family tends to be a matriarchy. If one of the matriarchs sees a gun being used in an irresponsible manner that gun is gone for good. I've seen my mom take guns away from people and break them.
We don't allow guns in our home either, especially in our neighborhood where guns are usually what burglars are looking for when they break into homes. They don't want your consumer crap, they can buy that themselves. They want guns and ammunition and have been known to take entire gun safes.
rrneck
(17,671 posts)She has two masters degrees, owns two really nice houses and wouldn't hurt a fly. She's also too spacey to be safe with a gun. She'd likely leave it out in the yard with her phone.
Another is quite wealthy and has anger management problems.
Another had a depression/anxiety problem. He blew his brains out.
That's about it around here. Back home - plenty.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,181 posts)I actually take credit for introducing him to his future wife (also a friend of mine) in high school.
Hardcore, hardcore libertarian. He seems equally angry at both Democrats and Republicans in his long, sometimes disjointed Facebook rants. After Sandy Hook, he seemed obsessed about threats to gun ownership and bordered on the edge of government paranoia and the necessity to arm oneself in the light of a tyrannical government, etc. He also goes deep into some of the conspiracy theories--9-11 Truthers and such.
He also would post angry rants about how he hates his job (a mechanic at a car dealership), how he wants to quit his job but they won't let him (which I just don't even begin to understand) and sometimes he talks about unspecified plans at how he'll "get back" at his employer or some of his co-workers.
But before too many red flags go up, the thing about him--even back in high school--is that he would often say some outrageous things just to get a rise, without actually meaning it. So the question is, how serious is he being when he's making these rants and odd statements?
I do worry though. His wife is very smart, and they have two kids together. But I do worry about his mental sanity, and if he actually does have guns....well, I don't know what to do.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)and the answers here are typical...
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)I avoid them as much as I can, but I'm related to some of them.
OTOH, I also know people who own firearms who I'm fine with owning them. I own firearms myself, besides.
I have no problem with people owning firearms, per se. I have problems with some people owning them, though.
Sissyk
(12,665 posts)I do know people that should not own guns, but they don't own guns.
Also, two dear friends of ours has a 19 year old son with mental problems. He has been talking lately of taking his life. His parents are doing everything they can possibly do to help him. Their guns and knife collection are currently at our house. They are constantly searching their house for drugs and new weapons. It's very sad and hard to be a part of.
I'm sure there are people that have guns that I don't know about. It's usually not something that comes up in casual conversation.
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)But he doesn't trust me with a gun. He said I am the last person in the world that should have a gun. I live alone and used to have a vicious looking Rottweiler (she was actually a big baby), but she discouraged anyone from even thinking of breaking in. I had to send her to doggy heaven a couple years ago because she had inoperable cancer. My only protection now is a Chihuahua that looks harmless, but she turns vicious whenever a stranger comes into the house.
Initech
(100,068 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)alcohol/drugs/anger/frustration/stress etc.
bluedigger
(17,086 posts)If I can see it, it is factored into my decision making and future actions. I think that is a rational response to being in the presence of a deadly device. I'm also cautious around people with chain saws.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Fortunately, he knew not to trust himself with a gun either. Self awareness is a good thing.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)they also know that it is in their best interests not to own any guns.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Fortunately, his guns were stolen.